The PG Hamid Talat Khan Show

The hockey team got thrown out of Azlan Shah tournament by newbies South Korea. The grapevine has it they were spending too much time practising and no time at all praying.

this was funny! Tau kya hua if this is reiterating a point previously made. Obviously very few if any are getting the point. The horse is still alive. Why flog horses anyway dead or alive? Such beautiful creatures. . .

Thank you NFP, for sharing jo baaqi ``brain cells`` reh gaye haiN. ; )

Ok... it`s confirmed... after years of drug abuse NFP now has left no more brain cells than an eighth grader... I mean what was the point of this sophomoric compilation of cliches?

Re: # 21

But its like flogging a dead horse. He already made a similar point in his earlier post, and everybody else is already saying the same thing on TV, Radio and Newspapers so just to use the `facade` (it does not qualify as a `device`) of a talk show nfp drives home the same point which is being discussed on every other forum.

So a dead horse (inzi, tableeghi) and interview device (flogging) which he also used in his earlier post does not point towards creativity or fresh perspective. Its like just another vent for letting his air out.

Re: # 19
SaimaShah

Very well said.

nfp...you are still funny but you seem to have lost the edge..This was very mild.Want more of that caustic psychedelic stuff.

Re: # 1

You put Mr Paracha`s incredibly creative piece into the category of Mush vs. Mullah. Historically, every Muslim writer has been critical of the Mullah. It is part and parcel of the ethos of being Muslim and liberal. Mush is an accident that has been part of whatever you and I call our culture for hundreds of years. This left liberal, sufi, poet, critical thinker side of Islam had been repressed for a long long time with disastrous consequences for the Muslim world. Please understand!, these liberals are as necessary for your culture to survive as the book around which your morality is hedged. By framing every crisis as US vs. Pakistan, or Mush. vs. Mullah, you discredit your own history.

The Pakistan team is relying far too much on emotion, far too little on rationality--that`s the simple message of NFP`s article. We can get all insecure or we can welcome a little healthy criticism. Faith without rationality does not lead to success.

Regards
S

LOL!!. Good to see NFP still going strong, while the rest have totally given up on critical thinking.

I sometimes think that Pakistan`s greatest export could be religio-spiritual. With such belief and passion, even if Allah died, he will wake up:). In capitalism, there is a market for everything and for all you know the Cricket team may become the greatest evangelists ever born. I am waiting for the day when verses from the Quran will be recited on CNN.

Kuch bhi ho sakta hai, jo bikta woh chalta hai. Wohi sach hai. Yesterday it was consumer durables, tomorrow religion. Be shaq, the market knows best. And critical thinking? The job of leftist liberals who have nothing to sell.

Warm regards

Saima

liittle mistake `` im the biggest fan of Nfp ``

Re: # 12
zeemax may i know to whom you are calling charsi .......
im the biggest fan og Nfp
so please check out what you r saying ..........
i hope you do care next time .....

Love2love, there is really no point in arguing with this idiot zeemax. Vanguard, I guess you are one of those Mushi haters who love to shout democracy without understanding the true meaning behind it. I guess you want something that bangladesh had for the last oh 20-25 years. If you are a true patriot you will stop shouting democracy and start shouting against nawaz and Benazir. Musharaf might have doen a lot of bad things according to you but he is still much much better than those two idiots. By he way are you trying to tell me that Bhutto and Punjabis had nothing to do with 1971. What happened to the pure majority of Bangalis and their guy becoming Prime Minister which was overturned by the parliament consisting mostly of the Punjabis. It is very easy to blame army for everything but if you look around the only things which are working fine are run by the army. For example: In Karachi Qaid Bagh was built by the Army. The 11 years of democracy did nothing to take care of your founder`s tomb. Even Indian Hindus take care of Taj Mahal built by a muslim leader. You talk about how every institution is down the drain. As a matter of fact I see every facet of life getting better for the people. Less corruption, no more jahil Sindhis sitting on important posts, no more punjabis getting all the foreign scholarships, and acedemia being recognized in Pakistan rather than Abroad. Prices for goods in Pakistan are high not because of Musharaf but because of the looting that took place in thee so-called democracy where our leaders ooted the wealth took loans to pay to keep the prices down. You talk about PIA, KESC and other departments. I guess they were working wonderfully during the democracy. They were not. Actually the only reason you think they were working was because you did not hear about that in the media. Now that thee same media is free you are free to criticize Mushi and his government along with all the ills in the society. Once again, it is very easy to criticize people who actually are doing something for your country. But maybe you will learn that after another 11 years fo Besharam benazir and Nalaiq Nawaz.
You are asking me about Nasim Ashraf but I dont care about him. Nio matter who the leader is the team will never get rid of this tableeghee mentality until we have someone like Imran to head the board. rf has beautifully elaborated on your idiotic illogical statement of ireland beating bangladesh.

#12 `` It is only about the frustrations of a charsi who couldn`t make it in the media revolution``

zeemax, I think you`ve been away from Pakistan for quite a while. At the moment Paracha is hosting at least two shows on AAJ TV (with Fasi Zaka), and Geo TV and writing for various English publications. Actually he seems to be quite a part of this so-called media revolution, really.

Re: # 11

Dear Vanguard,

Ireland beat Bangladesh, and Bangladesh defeated South Africa therefore South Africa was the worst team of this tournament, according to your logic.

There are only 8 test playing nations of some stature and Pakistan is ranked 5th in ODI ranking, that wud Pakistan in the lower quartile that is well below median value. Reason for this dispicable performance was too much praying and too little playing. Had the same players been properly motivated for worldcup event, they sud have beaten West Indies and Ireland, but lost to both. Some say Pakistan threw the WI match and Bob Woolmer had expressed his intention to pull the plug on their illegal activities.

vanguard,

This article is about nothing. It is only about the frustrations of a charsi who couldn`t make it in the media revolution after writing some ignorant and shallow nonsense about Deep Purple and Pink Floyd in a rag.

Re: # 7

We lost to a better team since Ireland won over Bangladesh in the end.

Sham democracy, sham judiciary, sham freedom of expression. The country has been performing so poorly for so long because a democratic system has not been allowed to develop by the army which has ruled the state for more years than either Mullah or politicians. And these talibans, kargil misadventures or others of 1965, 1971 etc were all creation of the army. Had it not been his desperation to gain legitimacy for his rule, Mush would have continued to support the very same terrorists.

But then this article is not about Mush. Its about cricket. You did not ask why Dr. Nasim is chairman of cricket board. His only qualification is that he described Musharraf as `Pariah`. Earlier we had Tauqir Zia whose only accomplishment was gifting valuable national stadium land to Army to build their housing society where they will auction off property in crores.

Sooner or later Musharraf will have to go. Name one institution that is in a better shape since Mush came from KESC, WAPDA, PIA etc. Its only his presence thats keeping the country afloat and it will fall to new depths once he leaves which is something to worry about.

splendid work !!!!
especially i like ... ap ko nhi pata and mubling ....itz funny and realistic
nice work

Nfp rocks !!! m the biggest chamcha of Nfp

Re: # 7
sowie man you are sick!!!
again all that crap what Inzi did .... huh

I dont care if Madam Shamim was a devil in disguise. Jamai-e-hafza hos had no right to do what they did. The only reason why they are even alive is because it is Pakistan where there are people like you supportng these terrorists. No wonder people look at Muslims and laugh their asses off. Because of people like you. Those hos had no right to do what they did. Simple to understand - right. But I bet you that you have a twisted theory about how it is ok (probably because Musharaf is there and there is no democracy - lol).

Re # 1
Vanguard,
it is extremely ignorant for you to say that India and Pakistan lost because of the same reasons. Here is the difference. First, India lost to a team who also won against some other good teams like South Africa. Plus Bangladesh has been playing first class cricket since the last world cup. Indian players also had a bad coach and decided to give Ganguly a chance again even though he and some other players were unfit.
Pakistan on the other hand lost because the lovely Inzimam wanted only dari walas or tableeghees in the team. Prime example is Rana and Imran Nazir; and if you tell me about the last inning Imran played against Zimbawe then you are extremely misguided. With no pressure, playing against a third-rate team, and giving 5 chances even i would have scored 160 runs. Think about it, if Imran Nazir`s chances were not dropped, Pakistan would have been out for 160-180 again; and might have lost to Zimbawe also. Secondly, stop arguing for the dari-walas. It is a fact that people cared more about preaching. Nobody is saying ``Dont pray``. What people have a problem with is this tableeghi mind-set where other players have no choice in this matter. Inzi was more like a maulana than a captain. Everyone knows that all they were interested in was to finish their 5 prayers daily rather than winning a match. Also, no matter what you say about Yunis, at least he has the guts to know that this tableeghi culture has put down its roots so deeply in the cricket team that he refused to accept the captaincy. of course he will tell the world that it is too much pressure but when tableeghis give you ultimatums and death threats, it is an easy way out.
Also please provide a reason as to why Junaid Jamshed (another dari wala a-hole) was always with the team or why a dari wala ahole Mushi baby (who was disqualified for betting) was an assistant manager.
I dont know if you yourself are one of those tableeghi animals but if you are not then at lease open your eyes to the realities. However if you are one of those so-called preachers who have a convulated idea of islam in your head then keep believing what you believe in....

Oh by the wya,
the article is great so vanguard if you think that Mushi is doing such a bad job then you must not remember the 11 years of Benazir and nawaz. I guess you are still not satisfied with the Surrey palace or the Raiwind Estate. You want them to loot everything from Pakistan - at least there will be the sham democracy so you can sit in with your gora friends and tell them how enlightened you are....

Haahaahaa!

Ha, ha. Nice take on Mr. Imran Khan`s concieted attitude, NFP.

Btw, venguard, how does Aunty Shamim`s ``exposure`` vindicate Inzi`s religious zeal?

Well it turns out that Aunty Shamim was really running a brothel. From news item

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/137135.php/Brothel-owners-book-may-ruin-marital-lives-of-many-a-Pak-parliamentarian!

The book, to be published by the Oxford University Press, is written by Aunty Shamim, the brothel owner who claims to possess the richest clientele list of this sort in Pakistan. Her clientele includes majority of MNAs, besides senior Army officers and judges.

The news of Shamim publishing such a book has given driven down the spine of many such MNAs who fear that their names would be surely included in the book. The gravity of the situation could be gauged from the fact that the MNAs who sit on Treasury benches recently discussed the issue with none other Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz.

haha... quite funny, also very true... there are so many of these talk shows on pak tv... seems like pakis only good for one thing - talking!!!

Dear Vanguard,

Bbc (amreeka) will be running a documentary called Panorama this evening dont miss it, enclosed is a snippet from the same:


BBC claims tests show Woolmer was drugged

Cricinfo staff

April 30, 2007

A BBC television investigation into the death of Bob Woolmer, to be shown on Monday night, will claim that toxicology tests support earlier reports that he was poisoned before being strangled.

The Panorama programme will say that there is evidence of a drug being present in his system that would have incapacitated him.

``It now seems certain that as he was being strangled, he`d already been rendered helpless, leaving him unable to fight back,`` said Adam Parsons, the show`s producer. ``The specific details of that poison are now very likely to offer a significant lead to finding his murderer.``

Parsons` programme will also claim that while Woolmer had a good relationship with his players, there were deep religious divides inside the Pakistan team and that Woolmer was growing increasingly frustrated with the effect this was having on the side. An example given was that players left the field to be replaced by substitutes to enable them to pray during matches.

Pervez Mir, Pakistan`s media manager, said that there were players who preferred to ``pray not play``, and he revealed that his comments had led to him receiving death threats on his return home.

Panorama: Murder at the World Cup will be broadcast on BBC One at 2030 BST, Monday

There was a time when I used to look forward to NFP`s articles. Though he was a staunch critic at that time, yet his criticism was constructive in the sense that he pointed out the weaknesses.

It seems now that he has allied himself with Musharraf and is on a jihad against the Mullahs which may result in some good had it not been a rant.

It was obvious from day one that Pakistan team was not going to perform well in World Cup with wagers on whether they will exit in super 8 or semi finals. The only shock was that they exited earlier in the first round. What about India? They were supposed to bring the world cup if we follow the media frenzy. they met the same fate. Was it because they were praying to their Gods all the time. Or is it that we perform poorly in hockey because our hockey players are praying or wear knee length shorts because anything less would be unislamic. Why could not we rule squash after Jahangir and Jansher. Its because, the present lot prays five times a day and keeps a beard which sometimes hold the rebounding wall resulting in point awarded to the opponent.

Frankly speaking, your rant is no different than Jimran Khan