150 Years: Recounting Untold History

Ref masanamuthu #40

[If one chose to explain Islam to such people like this it was to do them a disservice. Force, said he was the much better course -- Islam should be forced down their throat like bitter medicine to a child.. This, however, was only possible if the leaders of the non-Muslim communities who failed to accept Islam were killed; the strength of the community reduced, their property confiscated and a situation was created which led to their followers and descendants willingly accepting Islam.


Fair enough.. :-)

I sincerely thank the Brits and Sikhs along with the Madras / Bombay regiments for defeating the mutineers.. Ambedkar`s grandfather fought in the ``Mahar`` regiment for the Brits. They are the real heroes.

Indians should thank Allah that the ``jihadi`` mutiny was crushed.. :-) ]

Folks in India (including Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion) are trying to get the Muslims quotas in professional education!

Oops, that is because the Brahmins called them mlecchas and did not give them water when they were thirsty.

Fair enough!

Re: # 54,

Very well said, Muqaddam Saheb. We must give the wounds of partition to heal some more time. Both, Muslims and Hindoos were wounded during the whole episode of partition though in different ways. And one should always try to understand the wounds of Hindoos also. Hope better days are ahead for less privileged people of all the communities.

Samar

The article betrays the unfortunate prejudice that in India the Muslim minority has not been given its due recognition. It is sad that a community substantial in population should see itself as marginalised. A natural outcome of the Pakistan movement was the anger felt by the Hindu majority which was also exploited by extreme elements. But over the last sixty years Muslims have very much joined the mainstream. Young Muslims no longer carry the baggage of being responsible for the country`s partition and therefore being pro-Pakistan, and many are forging ahead gaining prominence in all walks of life along with the majority community. No doubt, a lot of corrective measures need to be taken to give the necessary impetus for the community to prosper, particularly in provision of job opportunities in the government, but here again there is so much pressure on the govt job openings that it is only those willing to shell out money or with the necessary connections make it, and it just so happens that the majority gets the larger share. One should take heart that the country`s economy is growing and as the pie becomes bigger, all will benefit.

Likewise, so much is being said about Ambedkar, no doubt he was a great man, but let us assume he never became the leader of the untouchables, would they still be suffering as in the past? As the country opened up to foreign influences and saw life beyond Hindstan, the plight of the Dalits , Ambedkar or no Ambedkar, would have seen the same liberation and empowerment as we see today.

With a flourishing economy all Indians will benefit and maybe we can then stop looking at life including history with a jaundiced eye.

Thanks for the untold history which does not include Tatya Tope or Zansi Ki Rani because we know about them. It seems Ulema fought for ``dependent`` Hindustan where there wont be any Hindu. It would be dependent to Islamic Umma. Hindus should have fought unitedly not only to get rid of British but also these ulemas.

Re: # 49
This article is with in history perspective. Remember the title is recounting untold history-- and I deliberately left what`s already told. Have a better digestive system and try to sallow the facts as such without giving it a religious color all the times.

Perfunctory look at some of the interacts gives a feeling that this is not subcontinental chowk but a cross (crossing) of convent ``disciplined`` harvested souls. They are saying that the rape was good at least it produced a child like them after nine months (100 years). Not much different from what SHAH WALIULLAH says:
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Islam should be forced down their throat like bitter medicine to a child.. This, however, was only possible if the leaders of the non-Muslim communities who failed to accept Islam were killed; the strength of the community reduced, their property confiscated and a situation was created which led to their followers and descendants willingly accepting Islam.
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Macaulay succeeded without saying this way.

rejoinder indian Exoress censored
Salaam, Shourie
By M. Zeyaul Haque

Welcome back to the Express columns, sir. You have a great way with truth, which ``concerns us all``

It is bracing to see Arun Shourie back in the Express columns: he makes our insipid morning cup of tea taste like black, thick coffee. Shourieji always comes on strong—his penchant for using broad strokes (even where finer lines would do), the grand sweep of anti-M4 (Marxist-Mussalman-Mahar-Missionary) ideas, and the bold swipes he takes at the usual suspects (the M4) make our mornings worth looking forward to.

Shourieji has a way with words, and also a way with truth, which to repeat the familiar Express slogan, ``concerns us all.`` I swear, it does. That’s what makes the Express what it is, The Indian Express. Shourieji is so truth-friendly that he can forge full truth out of half-truths and quarter lies. Yes, after Jesus Christ he is the only man who can bring back the dead to life—he could do that to even an entire group of young men butchered by the PAC.

I remember (quite a few years ago) how happy I was to see the banner headline in the Express announcing ``The Dead of Maliana Return``. I fluttered my still sleep-heavy eye lashes, forced my eyes wide open, exerting great will power, to read the happy news. How good! Though unbelievable, it must be true, because ``truth concerns us all``. Coming from Shourieji’s Express it must be nothing but true. It was a great day for all the sisters, mothers and widows of those young martyred Mussalmans to rejoice, because their sons and brothers had ``returned home.`` On the front page of the Express.

Later, we learned to our chagrin that the story of the return of the prodigies was not based on truth. It was not even based on fact, the country cousin of truth. It was a `` factoid``, to use a Menckenism. (To the uninitiated, a factoid is a fact which is not.) Not that what the Express had written was untrue, though the Maliana dead remained firmly tucked away in their graves, decomposed and largely turned into dust, mingled with the surrounding earth.

That brings me to the art and craft of good editing—a good editor can turn lousy text into highly readable stuff, a great one can even order facts to tell a brazen-faced lie, a genius (like Shourieji) can make truth stand on its head and make every one look at the world upside down—their feet pointed towards the stars, head planted steadily on the ground. An extraordinary perspective, must admit.

NO ARGUING WITH AN ECONOMIST
There are a lot of things that Shourieji says cannot be disputed: like terrorism is a menace, and must be combated with all the might the world has at its disposal. Like ``Islamic terrorism`` is indefensible. In fact, terrorism is so indefensible today that even Col. Gaddafi has dissociated himself from it. However, Shourieji had always this trait of being selective in his moral judgments. He never uttered a word against Sangh terrorism in Ayodhya, LTTE terrorism in Sri Lanka which killed Rajiv, eliminated several national leaders of that country, destroyed the entire Sri Lankan Airlines fleet and half of their air force in a single strike a couple of months ago. His attitude to terrorism is like America’s – for the US, a terrorist to be really bad has to target America; for Shourieji to condemn him, he must be ``Islamic``. The IRA killed Lord Louis Mountbatten and kept on harassing America’s ally Britain, with full financial backing of US private donors. Till September 11, the US preferred to look the other way.

The RSS view (shared by Shourieji) is that Islam propels terrorism. Pray, tell us sir, what propels December 6 terrorism, LTTE terrorism, Basque terrorism, IRA terrorism, Aum Shinrikyo terrorism, and all manner of assorted terrorisms from East Asia to Latin America, from North-East India to Bihar and Andhra in our own country? Does Islam explain all this? And how does Islam account for Timothy McVeigh and Una Bomber?

There are two different points at issue here: Pakistan-inspired terrorism (which has to be dealt with firmly and appropriately, and the military option too has to be considered), and Islam per se. The problem with Shourieji is that he is too generous with generalisations: to him Palestine and Chechnya and Kashmir are one and the same. No differentiation is required, no historical and political context matters. He is happy to have his whipping boy; nothing else is of any consequence.

The same generosity with generalisations makes him attribute all the ``medieval`` atrocities to Islam. But, sir, how do we account for the Inquisition, the caste atrocities against Dalits, Sati and widow banishment? The full page December 19 offering by Shourieji is, in fact, of a piece with a large body of his work ranging from denunciation of Christian missionaries (who gave him, as his teachers, part of the mental equipment with which he demolishes them), to Islam (and its institutions), Marxism (and Marxist historiography) and Dalits (and their icon BR Ambedkar). He never misses an opportunity to tar them with a big brush, an act only relatively less crude than what his victims (some Dalit followers of Ambedkar) did to him by physically tarring his face at a meet in Bangalore. (No, Shourieji, we don’t approve of the tarring by those oafs.)

Those Dalits possibly did so in frustration like Osama and his desperadoes: if you can’t fight America, do something spectacularly wicked and foolish; if you can’t fight Shourieji with clever arguments, overpower him and tar his face physically. And, in that bargain, lose whatever sympathy you have. In any case, nobody can argue with an economist and the new sovereign called the Free Market. And Shourieji is an economist and a Free Marketeer to boot. Duly recognised by the World Bank as one and taken seriously by everybody who matters.

UNSPARING, UNCHARITABLE,
RUTHLESS
Shourieji is blessed (blessed?) with an acid tongue: the victim of his verbal attacks is given no quarter, shown no mercy. He can be very uncharitable: he portrays BR Ambedkar as a British stooge in Worshipping False Gods. That reading of Ambedkar’s personality is not appropriate, because Ambedkar believed that the slavery of the British was emancipatory in its effect: under the British some Dalits got the advantage of modern education, which had been denied them for ages under the strict provisions of the Code of Manu. The Dalits, and Ambedkar, were in no hurry to send the British packing because they saw the caste slavery as timeless, forever. Between the two slaveries, Ambedkar thought the British one was more humane. In that perspective (which is more authentic because it is the victim’s perspective), Ambedkar was not what Shourieji thought he was, a stooge. The unkindest cut was Shourieji’s not so subtle remark that Ambedkar’s contribution to the making of our Constitution may not be half as great as suggested by the book his statues are invariably shown to be holding in the Dalit slums across the country. That book, the Constitution of India, which Dalits proudly associate with Ambedkar, was ruthlessly snatched away by Shourieji. Not surprisingly, an otherwise sedate Savita Ambedkar remarked angrily, ``Shourie is a wicked man.``

UNCHALLENGED MONARCH
Shourieji is an unchallenged monarch of misrepresentation and slander. He is selective in his dispensation of justice. So far, none of his victims has been able to come up with anything half as spectacular as his attacks. (No editor gives the display to a rebuttal he gets for his chargesheets against the M4. For instance, the bold display, the big types in the intro, sub-heads, blurbs and the generous use of space in December 19 story of the Express.) And the tarring of his face by Dalits is mere hooliganism, a crude rebuttal like al-Qaida’s desperate acts of violence. A valiant fighter, an IRS official called AK Biswas, came forward with a book called Gods, False Gods and Untouchables in reply to the Shourie book. However, it lacked the sophistication of Worshipping False Gods and failed largely to undo the damage. The Mussalmans and Marxists too have not fared any better.

His book The Historians was yet another hatchet job that would ultimately give a fillip to Oak-Madhok school of historiography. No regard for academic discipline, no concern for methodologies, the usual fist-in-the-face Shourie approach to facts which require a more nuanced treatment. It was a journalistic bull let loose in the China shop of academic, responsible historigraphy. No wonder academics tremble in their boots when journalists are around. Demands of academic restraint and rigour make them unfit for a match with the self-assured, swaggering journalist. And Shourieji is a journalist also, one of our tribe. And a star performer at that.

EXTREME VIEWS
Shourieji talks of the believer’s ``mindset``, which (in case of Islam) is conditioned by the faith to be constantly at war with the ``other``—a relentless, unceasing war till the entire non-Islam becomes Islam. (That would take some real doing over a period measurable only in light years.) Thus Islam is a violent religion, the Qur`an a manifesto of violence, ranging from terrorist attacks to full-blown war. It follows from this fundamental premise that for the world to live in peace, we have to get rid of Islam. To begin with, the mad mullah has to be reined in by closing down the madarsas (where Islam is taught), locking up the mosques (where Islam is practised) and brainwashing the Muslims to make them see the horrors of Islam and make them dissociate themselves from it. If they don’t meet these requirements, well, we have the final solution model left behind by the Sangh hero, the Fuhrer of Nazis. For Shourieji, Islam is innately evil and no good can come out of it.

The views of Shourieji (plainly stated and implied) are interesting and welcome because they provide an alternative perspective on Islam, a perspective that is not readily apparent to us, Muslims. We never looked at Islam in that perspective: We thought Islam comes from salaam (peace), not hurb (war).

Because Islam is such monumental evil, as the Shourie argument goes, its charities and research institutions (both written within inverted commas to suggest that they are not what they say they are) are sham—mere terrorist fronts. Shourieji’s views on Islam are certainly extreme views, as extreme as Ambedkar’s views on Hinduism or Ram Raj’s (now Aditya Raj). This view of Hinduism, shared by hundreds of millions of Dalits from Ambedkar to Aditya is as stark as Shourieji’s: that Hinduism is innately evil, that no good can ever come out of it, that Hindu scriptures are a cunning device to entrap millions of fellow beings into perpetual slavery, that no human dignity is possible until one dissociates oneself from it. And while dissociating from it one has to condemn it vociferously and demonstratively. This is exactly what Ambedkar did nearly half a century ago; this is what Aditya did last month. This is what all others leaving Hinduism did in the intervening years.

Meanwhile, Shourieji’s Dalit counterparts made it a point to explain that Hinduism is evil beyond reform because it is structured on Chatur Varna, because one of its central themes is karma, which says you are born a Dalit because of the evil deeds you did in the last birth and must atone for your last births’s sins in the present birth by suffering all the torment and humiliation coming your way without demur, without complaint, and must in all cases remain within the Varna into which you were born.

Ambedkar cited the horrible murder of the Dalit boy Shambuk by Shri Ramji himself because that boy was trying to read the scriptures (breaking the taboo on reading imposed on Shudras), and said Dalit emancipation was not possible within Hinduism whose ``mindset`` (Shourieji’s preferred word) is conditioned by such horrors.

Now, Shourieji, we Muslims don’t take these views as mainstream view of Hinduism, and prefer the reading provided by Vivekananda, Radhakrishnan, Gandhi and Swami Aghedanand Bharati (a Polish Jew turned Hindu, one of the greatest minds of the last century). We don’t take the Ambedkarite view as mainstream because we don’t see anybody trying to pour molten lead into Dalits’ ears (as prescribed by the Code of Manu), and we don’t see trainers in India’s police and military academies insisting that the Dalit cadets passing out must have their thumbs cut (following Guru Dronacharya’s tradition).

The mainstream view on Islam is that it is a religion of peace, not war as you say.

HATS OFF, SIR
Finally, I must compliment you for all that you are. And all that you have done. It brings some sparkle to our lackadaisical lives. Keep it up, sir. Salaam, Shourieji.

This article is written from muslim perspective only. It seems like the author has made the choice to glorify Islam and Muslims before going into the actual events and analyzing them. Rhetoric like this can only sound good to muslim (not my kind though) ears.

The author is missing the real purpose here.

Nanga Pir,

Kya fatte mar raha hai, Sepoy comes from Sipahi I think, not spy.

People, like this universe, evolve. British deprived the native to evolve in a natural way. Their armies, the mother of present Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi armies, were basically goons recruited as Chowkidars for British India Company to guard their trading posts. They consisted on Sepoy. The name Sepoy was derived from British word SPY. But got mutated as in Pushtoo Spie means dogs. So the present armies are DOG SPY for their masters. Rest the war against British was never to kick them out. The wars were to save the existing status quo. But Britih had no right to control people that far except those slavish minds who still think that the British occupation was a blessing. A well fed dog with leash in his neck is not a free dog worse than a starving free wolf. The same is true today. The imperialists have no right to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, no matter what promises they hold.

Nanga Pir

pre-british indian people were dirt-poor. the rajas were rich. the people were constantly assaulted by robber-barons for taxes and booty. its bogus to claim that its populance had high standard of living. most accounts of mughal to pre-british india shows a society in flux, harrassed by various raiders, with centers of production owned as karkhanas of the kings, producing goods for the kings. the marching armies had huge wake of camp-followers living like scavangers and always moving. its had NO world-class universities or any universities attempting to study science, math medicine etc. its big cities like dilli were essentially large military encampments..more tents than homes.

It is indeed strange that chowk publishes this article, which is a hotch-potch of claims, but has till now refused to publish masadi`s article on the Vir. killings. Do not get me wrong, there are a lot who will disagree with masadi. But his writings are clear and to the point. Moreover, masadi is usually there to debate with interactors.

Mr. Qasmi`s main point is that the maulvi`s role in 1857 has not been highlighted. Fair enough. But this point could have been well made in UP. For, he fails to cogently discuss his points in the article. Sprinkling names here and there and adding cliches in between, does not an article make.

The above criticism also holds for many other articles published in chowk. Some interactors have repeatedly pointed this out. I am simply joining this set of interactors.

Re: # 42
bulleya
i believe most these are from gujar khan area.


Profile: Omar Khyam
Five men have been convicted of plotting to cause explosions in Britain. One of the ringleaders was Omar Khyam, described by the trial judge as ``ruthless and devious``. But what sort of man was he?
· Born on 7 December 1981
· Student at the University of North London
· Attended al-Muhajiroun events
· Influenced by radical clerics
· Travelled to Pakistan in 2003
· Planned attacks on the UK
Profile: Jawad Akbar
Five men have been convicted of conspiring to cause explosions in Britain. One of the men was Jawad Akbar, described by the trial judge as having ``intelligence and disturbing deviousness``.
· Born Pakistan, 20 June 1983
· Moved to Italy as a child, father worked in the wine industry
· Moved to Crawley, West Sussex, aged eight
· Student at Brunel University, Uxbridge, north-west London, studying mathematics, technology and design.
· While at university he worked part-time at Gatwick Airport and had clearance for working airside
· Met a Sikh woman who converted to Islam so they could marry
· Step-cousin, Nabeel Hussain, a co-defendant who was found not guilty
Profile: Waheed Mahmood
Five men have been convicted at the Old Bailey accused of involvement in a planned bombing campaign in Britain. One of them was Waheed Mahmood, who the trial judge said ``exerted authority over others``.
· Born 22 March 1972
· Lived in Crawley, West Sussex
· Aliases included Abdul Waheed, Esmail, Javed or Jav
· Between 1989 and 1995 he worked for British Gas, servicing and repairing boilers in customers` homes
· Trained as an apprentice in the gas industry but later worked in a tile shop, where he gave a job to Omar Khyam
· Around the time of the conspiracy he worked for a contractor undertaking work for National Grid Transco

Bulleya
We shall never know what may or may not have happened to India without british colonisation. One thing is for sure other European powers,france, Portugal, russia would have taken advantage and divided India amongst themselves. My personal view is Russia would have swept down from north and would have taken Afghanistan and northern parts of India to get to sea.

aslam644 #: One cannot compare pre-colonisation India with most of the countries you have mentioned........Certainly not with Afghanistan.......The easiest comparison is to figure out where India was, in comparison to the rest of the world in human development, when the British invaded, and where it was when they left...........Do check up on the following figures: comparison of Indian GDP to British when they invaded.........Comparison to when they left.......Famines after they invaded.........Famines after they left........etc.

Surely, South Asia must not have ranked at an average of 140 on the HDI in comparison to the rest of the world, as it does now (in 1947, it must have been even lower).........

One can give a pretty solid argument that your points are valid for the geographical areas which now constitute Pakistan........But are they valid for the ares that constitute present-day India?

Nearly all of Pakistan would have been Afghanistan had the British not, ``built the roads etc.``.......In fact there would be no Pakistan........We can thank the creation of our country to Jinnah........However, prior to Jinnah, we must thank very young British military officers and administrators, with names like Abbot and Nicholson and Edwards (of Abbotabad, Nicholson monument etc. fame) who took away most of this land from Afghanistan and then, ``civilized`` it.........

Had it not been for them, we would all be Afghanis!........Do remember that Afghanistan extended till the Attock River...........And west of Lahore, everything would have been barren till Kabul had the British not built the cantonments (Rawalpindi to Quetta etc), the cities (from Abbotabad to Karachi), roads, etc..........One can include the world`s largest canal system of Punjab in this, also........Additionally, much of Potohar and surrounding areas (to which you and I both claim heritage) would have remained poor and uneducated had the families of those areas, not had the opportunity to join the British military, in huge numbers (to later become canon fodder in WW I)........

The British, along with the creation of Pakistan, is what has raised the living standard of the average person in what is today geographically Pakistan.........Had these two events not occured, civilization in South Asia, would have started from Lahore and extended eastwards only.........All of us in Pakistan would be peasants working for the landowing families of Bina Shah and (the other feudal lady who used to interact on this site - I forget her name).......

The story of Lahore and eastwards is different.........That area was never the boondocks........It has always been a bustling civilization.........More on this later......However, if you get the time, do study the ideas of Tipu Sultan, the army of Ranjit Singh and the number of Europeans working for Jehangir/Shah Jehan etc.........Rest assured these weren`t backwards societies.........Had they been allowed to organically evolve, who knows where they would be.......

P.S. not to mention the fact that when the British left, they left the area in a perpetual state of conflict..........this alone is enough to paint the whole Briitish rule in a negative light, if you ask me........

Zeenaji,

(Tipu Sultan,Sahah Waliullah,Sir Syyed Ahmed Khan,Syed Ahmed shaheed.... I wish to include Quaid_E-Azam( Mohd Ali Jinnah`s name) on the top of this list.............who was indeed our hero and saint.....)

Why have you clubbed poor MAJ (pbuh) with Waliullah and SA Shaheed. What has the poor fellow done to you. Wait till Manto mian sees you club MAJ (pbuh) with Waliullah.

Regards