Subhash Gatade April 27, 2007
#1 Posted by stuka on April 27, 2007 10:22:40 am
U commie moron, before crying about Posada, why not call for the trial of communists in India for treason..for supporting the Brits during the 1942 Quit India agitation because of orders from Uncle Joe and then supporting China in the 1962 war because of Papa Zhou. Take your red spiel elsewhere.
#2 Posted by Kulharee on April 27, 2007 10:41:19 am
Oh, thank god it is not about Jose Padilla. You had me worried there for a second. But really, last week India test fired a nuke carrying capable rocket that can strike cities in Russia and the Middle East. I think it is Agni 3 – a lot more worrying than one terrorist being released.
And oh yes. US is bad. Very bad. CIA is also bad. does bad things, that`s why they call it CIA. US bad, Cuba good. Fidel is the best.
And oh yes. US is bad. Very bad. CIA is also bad. does bad things, that`s why they call it CIA. US bad, Cuba good. Fidel is the best.
#3 Posted by stuka on April 27, 2007 10:57:17 am
Since China and Russia went Capitalist, the new hope is Venezuela.
#4 Posted by thinkingstorm on April 27, 2007 11:39:55 am
stuka, Kulharee-
Why don`t you guys just stick with the argument at hand instead of your high drama comments?
This article is not about defending communism or world terror. IT is about hypocritical double standards of the US when it comes to the war on terror. You can`t in all honesty refute that?
Regarding the US. IT is a powerful country and so its bad deeds are at a grander scale. IT is not the first nor the last to swagger at the world stage like a badmash. But no, US is not evil incarnate, far from it. It has good and bad. No culture, race, religion or country can claim to be the moral compass. No-one. So even those that point fingers at the US should examine how they can become better as well.
But back to the article. The author has a point. Don`t ridicule it with irrelevant BS.
With respect.
Why don`t you guys just stick with the argument at hand instead of your high drama comments?
This article is not about defending communism or world terror. IT is about hypocritical double standards of the US when it comes to the war on terror. You can`t in all honesty refute that?
Regarding the US. IT is a powerful country and so its bad deeds are at a grander scale. IT is not the first nor the last to swagger at the world stage like a badmash. But no, US is not evil incarnate, far from it. It has good and bad. No culture, race, religion or country can claim to be the moral compass. No-one. So even those that point fingers at the US should examine how they can become better as well.
But back to the article. The author has a point. Don`t ridicule it with irrelevant BS.
With respect.
#5 Posted by Kulharee on April 27, 2007 11:54:08 am
Re: # 4
Strom - Far from it actually. The author is on an extremely slippery slope even before venturing into making a point. When Mr. Gatade says, and I quote… “The double standards employed by the US to protect its own buddy Posada have shocked the world.”.. Now that statement is a complete insult to the intelligence of Chowkies who happen to the read the world press. #1, Mr. Posada is out on “Bail” (after picked up by DHS 2 years ago) (fully in accordance with Laws of the land, or even the world), and #2, what world has been shocked by this release ? Extradition treaties are a complete discussion altogether. No case was ever registered against Posada (granted that he was on CIA payroll) and the whole case against him based upon a conversation that someone overheard him say “we will blow the Cuban airliner” according to recently unclassified info. But given all of that, I still fail to understand how the World is Shocked?
Are you Shocked? I am not.
Strom - Far from it actually. The author is on an extremely slippery slope even before venturing into making a point. When Mr. Gatade says, and I quote… “The double standards employed by the US to protect its own buddy Posada have shocked the world.”.. Now that statement is a complete insult to the intelligence of Chowkies who happen to the read the world press. #1, Mr. Posada is out on “Bail” (after picked up by DHS 2 years ago) (fully in accordance with Laws of the land, or even the world), and #2, what world has been shocked by this release ? Extradition treaties are a complete discussion altogether. No case was ever registered against Posada (granted that he was on CIA payroll) and the whole case against him based upon a conversation that someone overheard him say “we will blow the Cuban airliner” according to recently unclassified info. But given all of that, I still fail to understand how the World is Shocked?
Are you Shocked? I am not.
#6 Posted by DrDr on April 27, 2007 12:02:44 pm
kul even u cant make this pig look pretty by putting lipstick on it.
taliban`s cab drivers r rotting in gitmo whereas this pos who ``allegedly`` bombed a plane out of the sky and was a terrorist by any definition of the word is being protected by uncle sam.
taliban`s cab drivers r rotting in gitmo whereas this pos who ``allegedly`` bombed a plane out of the sky and was a terrorist by any definition of the word is being protected by uncle sam.
#7 Posted by Kulharee on April 27, 2007 12:17:33 pm
Re: # 6
Dr Saab… he was in Jail in Venezuela for many years before escaping, and if he is asking for asylum in the US based on the work he had done for the CIA 40 years ago, what wrong do you see in that? Even Canada has given asylum to known Nazis. So who exactly has double standards? The US or everybody?
Dr Saab… he was in Jail in Venezuela for many years before escaping, and if he is asking for asylum in the US based on the work he had done for the CIA 40 years ago, what wrong do you see in that? Even Canada has given asylum to known Nazis. So who exactly has double standards? The US or everybody?
#8 Posted by thinkingstorm on April 27, 2007 12:27:24 pm
#5
Kulharee-
Well you are right. No one is shocked, or dismayed. One expects the powerful to do what it wants.
But the guy is a known terrorist, has bragged about it, and sneaked into US illegally. The charges he was captured on are ``illegal entry``, immigration related. It is hypocritical to cry about the war on terror and keep people illegally detained without proof, and then letting go a self confessed terrorist without hesitation.
Canada has done wrong with the ex Nazi`s (And so has every other country on some other moral issue), but that does not make the Posada thing correct.
I am with you on the ``loving the old US of A``, there are a lot of great things about this place. But I do not defend its wrongdoings either.
With respect,
Kulharee-
Well you are right. No one is shocked, or dismayed. One expects the powerful to do what it wants.
But the guy is a known terrorist, has bragged about it, and sneaked into US illegally. The charges he was captured on are ``illegal entry``, immigration related. It is hypocritical to cry about the war on terror and keep people illegally detained without proof, and then letting go a self confessed terrorist without hesitation.
Canada has done wrong with the ex Nazi`s (And so has every other country on some other moral issue), but that does not make the Posada thing correct.
I am with you on the ``loving the old US of A``, there are a lot of great things about this place. But I do not defend its wrongdoings either.
With respect,
#9 Posted by DrDr on April 27, 2007 12:39:24 pm
kul we r way past the nazi era - now habeaus corpus is practically suspended on acc. of the wot - why mollycoddle others` terrorists - what wud u say if venezuela gave asylum 2 al zawahiri?
#10 Posted by Kulharee on April 27, 2007 12:59:48 pm
Re: # 9
If that is already not the case. as if. But Dr Saab, all I am saying is that there is so much other stuff that one can find to show the duplicity of the US in terms of its global goofups. The problem is that anti-American groups pick up on stuff that is no short of laughable if not outright ludicrous. This whole Posada episode, at best, it will be a so so plot for a b-rated movie. A guy escapes prison in some Latin country, where he was rotting in Jail without a “proper” trial, asks for asylum (after being caught) in the US based on the work he did for CIA 45 years ago. Wao.. I am really moved, and I am sure the whole world is too.
Dr Saab and Strom, I understand where you are coming from. I really do.
If that is already not the case. as if. But Dr Saab, all I am saying is that there is so much other stuff that one can find to show the duplicity of the US in terms of its global goofups. The problem is that anti-American groups pick up on stuff that is no short of laughable if not outright ludicrous. This whole Posada episode, at best, it will be a so so plot for a b-rated movie. A guy escapes prison in some Latin country, where he was rotting in Jail without a “proper” trial, asks for asylum (after being caught) in the US based on the work he did for CIA 45 years ago. Wao.. I am really moved, and I am sure the whole world is too.
Dr Saab and Strom, I understand where you are coming from. I really do.
#11 Posted by chaltahai on April 27, 2007 2:38:44 pm
it is not hypocitical. It is US interst. My interests and the county`s interest. What do you have a problem with? Double standard? which country doesn`t employ a double standard?
name one..if you can`t name one..then go back to the chowk editorial staff and ask them to remove this trite shiite off the board.
name one..if you can`t name one..then go back to the chowk editorial staff and ask them to remove this trite shiite off the board.
#12 Posted by Shah2 on April 27, 2007 5:11:54 pm
#11 Chaltahai are you pissed off they did not publish your article as yet
#13 Posted by SaimaShah on April 27, 2007 6:11:21 pm
Dear writer
Appreciate the information in this article. The fact that the US is hypocritical with only goal in mind--to spread capitalism and use religion to destabilize threatening regions is a fact that most of us know and have rationalized because a large majority of the world lives to consume. That is why you speak to deaf ears and that is why US is not answerable to any authority, because everybody wants a big house, a big car, a fancy computer, fashionable clothes and success. People do not connect that injustice today may mean more injustice tomorrow. And people do not realize the consequences of their indulgences--both environmental and social justice. For example, we choose to kill Iraqis to have SUV`s in America. At the end of the day it is about power. In that narrow world view, any cries of foul play translate to only this: You want what I got.
Appreciate the information in this article. The fact that the US is hypocritical with only goal in mind--to spread capitalism and use religion to destabilize threatening regions is a fact that most of us know and have rationalized because a large majority of the world lives to consume. That is why you speak to deaf ears and that is why US is not answerable to any authority, because everybody wants a big house, a big car, a fancy computer, fashionable clothes and success. People do not connect that injustice today may mean more injustice tomorrow. And people do not realize the consequences of their indulgences--both environmental and social justice. For example, we choose to kill Iraqis to have SUV`s in America. At the end of the day it is about power. In that narrow world view, any cries of foul play translate to only this: You want what I got.
#14 Posted by khamy1 on April 27, 2007 6:45:19 pm
Re: # 7
... i agree with kulli...us must support it`s operatives...i wonder if osama bin ladin the great hero of the russo-afghan war has already been granted asylum...and is being pampered somehwere by the cia bosses for further use in future...maybe in soodi arabia...;)
... i agree with kulli...us must support it`s operatives...i wonder if osama bin ladin the great hero of the russo-afghan war has already been granted asylum...and is being pampered somehwere by the cia bosses for further use in future...maybe in soodi arabia...;)
#15 Posted by stuka on April 27, 2007 7:29:43 pm
`` The fact that the US is hypocritical with only goal in mind--to spread capitalism``
and what is wrong with that?
`` and use religion to destabilize threatening regions is a fact that most of us know and have rationalized because a large majority of the world lives to consume.``
I beg to differ. The US did not initiate the use of religion. It just so happened that the Comrades did not like religion as it was an alternative power center and so the primary opposition in that part of the world came substantially from those who were religious. I don`t want to go on another Pak bashing spree but I would like to state that Pakistani sources themselves state that the US was pretty agnostic about dispersal of cash and weapons as long as it went to those who killed Russians. If religion worked great, if something else worked, that`s fine too.
``That is why you speak to deaf ears and that is why US is not answerable to any authority, because everybody wants a big house, a big car, a fancy computer, fashionable clothes and success.``
Again, only those make statements like this who have not waited 8 years for a damn scotter or stood outside a Ration Card shop like so many bhikaris. I am free. And I want to remain free. My freedom encompasses both economic and political freedom; the ability to choose my rulers, buy and sell what I wasnt and make my own destiny. These comrades have never allowed freedom to the individual and rant about hypocricy and imperialism? All of us may not aspire to big cars, but we do aspire to have the freedom to aspire. Neither you nor this moronic author can take that away from us.
`` People do not connect that injustice today may mean more injustice tomorrow. And people do not realize the consequences of their indulgences--both environmental and social justice. For example, we choose to kill Iraqis to have SUV`s in America. At the end of the day it is about power. In that narrow world view, any cries of foul play translate to only this: You want what I got. ``
What?? Even if Iraq is about SUVs (a rather simplistic slogan) that negates all the US has stood for? The US can also be blamed for Vietnam where it went in to fight Communism and ended up fighting Nationalism. But look at Vietnam today..aspiring to be today what the US wanted it to be yesterday. Instead of being at the level of a Korea or a Thailand, it`s just another struggling country. And Sibhas Gatade wants us to follow that unfortunate system..or even worse..Cambodia.
and what is wrong with that?
`` and use religion to destabilize threatening regions is a fact that most of us know and have rationalized because a large majority of the world lives to consume.``
I beg to differ. The US did not initiate the use of religion. It just so happened that the Comrades did not like religion as it was an alternative power center and so the primary opposition in that part of the world came substantially from those who were religious. I don`t want to go on another Pak bashing spree but I would like to state that Pakistani sources themselves state that the US was pretty agnostic about dispersal of cash and weapons as long as it went to those who killed Russians. If religion worked great, if something else worked, that`s fine too.
``That is why you speak to deaf ears and that is why US is not answerable to any authority, because everybody wants a big house, a big car, a fancy computer, fashionable clothes and success.``
Again, only those make statements like this who have not waited 8 years for a damn scotter or stood outside a Ration Card shop like so many bhikaris. I am free. And I want to remain free. My freedom encompasses both economic and political freedom; the ability to choose my rulers, buy and sell what I wasnt and make my own destiny. These comrades have never allowed freedom to the individual and rant about hypocricy and imperialism? All of us may not aspire to big cars, but we do aspire to have the freedom to aspire. Neither you nor this moronic author can take that away from us.
`` People do not connect that injustice today may mean more injustice tomorrow. And people do not realize the consequences of their indulgences--both environmental and social justice. For example, we choose to kill Iraqis to have SUV`s in America. At the end of the day it is about power. In that narrow world view, any cries of foul play translate to only this: You want what I got. ``
What?? Even if Iraq is about SUVs (a rather simplistic slogan) that negates all the US has stood for? The US can also be blamed for Vietnam where it went in to fight Communism and ended up fighting Nationalism. But look at Vietnam today..aspiring to be today what the US wanted it to be yesterday. Instead of being at the level of a Korea or a Thailand, it`s just another struggling country. And Sibhas Gatade wants us to follow that unfortunate system..or even worse..Cambodia.
#16 Posted by samar1982 on April 27, 2007 10:31:44 pm
#15, stuka,
`...the ability to choose my rulers, buy and sell what I wasnt and make my own destiny.`
How nice! That`s the best way to be free, really. For the benefit of us Asians can you disclose the amount you paid to buy this ruler called the US. Are there other varieties available at competitive prices?
Samar
`...the ability to choose my rulers, buy and sell what I wasnt and make my own destiny.`
How nice! That`s the best way to be free, really. For the benefit of us Asians can you disclose the amount you paid to buy this ruler called the US. Are there other varieties available at competitive prices?
Samar
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