Mohammad Gill May 2, 2007
#402 Posted by rahul_capri on May 11, 2007 12:29:04 pm
Re: # 401
What I meant was if R_D had actually said that ( of which there is a fair chance).
What I meant was if R_D had actually said that ( of which there is a fair chance).
#401 Posted by zeemax on May 11, 2007 12:23:25 pm
#400 by rahul_capri,
No. It`s t32 still trying to figure out #395 was by whom addressed to whom.
No. It`s t32 still trying to figure out #395 was by whom addressed to whom.
#400 Posted by rahul_capri on May 11, 2007 12:17:30 pm
#398 lol
Is this like a totem pole hierarchy of name calling, or what?
Is this like a totem pole hierarchy of name calling, or what?
#399 Posted by zeemax on May 11, 2007 12:15:11 pm
... actually #395 was HisExcellency addressing Urstruly ... but the confusion and panic is understandable my friend with the forked tongue ... :)
#398 Posted by zeemax on May 11, 2007 12:12:45 pm
#397 by tahmed32,
Predictable confusion. never mind. Happens.
Predictable confusion. never mind. Happens.
#397 Posted by tahmed32 on May 11, 2007 12:06:26 pm
Damn!! I wrote #396 too quickly. On rechecking I see that it was not Raw Dust addressing me but Zeemax addressing Raw Dust.
My apologies Raw Dust. The invitation to debate is still open.
My apologies Raw Dust. The invitation to debate is still open.
#396 Posted by tahmed32 on May 11, 2007 12:02:13 pm
#395 Raw Dust: Good answer!! (since it proves you to be a windbag who cant back his insults to other people`s beliefs with anything other than namecalling).
I rest my case. :-)
You can re-join the show already in progress at the mental asylum now.
I rest my case. :-)
You can re-join the show already in progress at the mental asylum now.
#395 Posted by HisExcellency on May 11, 2007 10:59:06 am
re: #390 Urstruly
Why didn`t Jamia Hafsa involve the media? There are half a dozen television channels in Pakistan, some of them more than eager for a story.
Better still, the Jamia Hafsa student could have organized a dharna (sit in). If so many people were upset with Aunty Shamim, the dharna would have been a spectacular show of strength and major embarrasment for the govt.
Aunty Shamim was just an excuse for the maulanas to vent out their anger at demolition of 7 mosques that were built on govt land. The Ghazi brothers wanted the govt to take them seriously and causing trouble was the best way to get noticed. Ziaul Haq in the 1980s and Nawaz Sharif in the 90s used to patronize religious elements by giving them govt land for mosques. Now that the govt is withdrawing state patronage from mullahs and trying to use public funds for more secular goals, these mullahs are finding excuses to stir up civil unrest.
Why didn`t Jamia Hafsa involve the media? There are half a dozen television channels in Pakistan, some of them more than eager for a story.
Better still, the Jamia Hafsa student could have organized a dharna (sit in). If so many people were upset with Aunty Shamim, the dharna would have been a spectacular show of strength and major embarrasment for the govt.
Aunty Shamim was just an excuse for the maulanas to vent out their anger at demolition of 7 mosques that were built on govt land. The Ghazi brothers wanted the govt to take them seriously and causing trouble was the best way to get noticed. Ziaul Haq in the 1980s and Nawaz Sharif in the 90s used to patronize religious elements by giving them govt land for mosques. Now that the govt is withdrawing state patronage from mullahs and trying to use public funds for more secular goals, these mullahs are finding excuses to stir up civil unrest.
#394 Posted by zeemax on May 11, 2007 10:52:10 am
#387 by Raw_Dust,
I don`t engage with morons. I did before as you will recall, but not anymore.
So eff off.
Rgds.
I don`t engage with morons. I did before as you will recall, but not anymore.
So eff off.
Rgds.
#393 Posted by tahmed32 on May 11, 2007 10:34:12 am
Raw Dust: you write ``Zeemax will never debate with me about anything Islamic cos I will expose his Allah and Mohammad to be the alter-egoes of an arab pervert megalomaniac. ``
Forget zeemax. Debate me. Here is your first question: On what basis do you make the above statement?
Forget zeemax. Debate me. Here is your first question: On what basis do you make the above statement?
#392 Posted by tahmed32 on May 11, 2007 10:29:14 am
hamidm #386 I guess you decided to join kaalchakra in throwing peanuts at the mental asylum inmates. :-)
#391 Posted by shishapa on May 11, 2007 10:16:14 am
``What else could you do when government is in it in promoting bay hayayee and prostitution??``
Attack the government? That way, you may get rid of many more
Aunty Shamims and her likes instead of just one?
#390 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2007 10:10:50 am
Re: # 389
Easier said than done. The fact of the matter is that people of the area has been complaining about Aunty Shamim`s flesh trade for the longest time. The police instead of helping them terrorized them with beatings and threatened them with dire consequences. Not only police but this prostitute`s goons also terrorized people of the street. Currently, government is cancelling the plot allotments to all of those who are suspect of opposing Aunty Shamim. What else could you do when government is in it in promoting bay hayayee and prostitution??
Easier said than done. The fact of the matter is that people of the area has been complaining about Aunty Shamim`s flesh trade for the longest time. The police instead of helping them terrorized them with beatings and threatened them with dire consequences. Not only police but this prostitute`s goons also terrorized people of the street. Currently, government is cancelling the plot allotments to all of those who are suspect of opposing Aunty Shamim. What else could you do when government is in it in promoting bay hayayee and prostitution??
#389 Posted by HisExcellency on May 11, 2007 9:57:55 am
re: #364 kaalchakra
First, influential Muslims should report the ``illegal`` activity to local authorities (who may be non-Muslim). If the authorities are unable to take any action, they should give explain their reasons (insufficient evidence?? pressure?? false accusation??) to complainants. If it is proven beyond doubt that illegal activity is taking place & authorities are unwilling to act, Muslim residents should boycott all persons who have business/personal relations with the accused. If majority of residents oppose an activity, their boycott will force the accused to either stop or move out of the area.
Prophet Muhammad said that majority of his followers will neither condone a wrongful practice nor agree to a unjust action.
If Aunty Shamim was such a notorious ``madam`` and majority of residents were unhappy with her activities, why was she still doing business in that area?? Was it perhaps the case that Jamia Hafsa was the only party that had an axe to grind with her??
Vigilantism and violence are usually employed by the minority against a few individuals, when the majority is indifferent.
First, influential Muslims should report the ``illegal`` activity to local authorities (who may be non-Muslim). If the authorities are unable to take any action, they should give explain their reasons (insufficient evidence?? pressure?? false accusation??) to complainants. If it is proven beyond doubt that illegal activity is taking place & authorities are unwilling to act, Muslim residents should boycott all persons who have business/personal relations with the accused. If majority of residents oppose an activity, their boycott will force the accused to either stop or move out of the area.
Prophet Muhammad said that majority of his followers will neither condone a wrongful practice nor agree to a unjust action.
If Aunty Shamim was such a notorious ``madam`` and majority of residents were unhappy with her activities, why was she still doing business in that area?? Was it perhaps the case that Jamia Hafsa was the only party that had an axe to grind with her??
Vigilantism and violence are usually employed by the minority against a few individuals, when the majority is indifferent.
#388 Posted by zeemax on May 11, 2007 9:17:44 am
#382 by GT,
Thanks GT.
My conviction towards Islam does not stem from blind faith being a born Muslim. It stems from having been convinced after extensive due-diligence, that it is such a comprehensively perfect system along with built-in durability, that it could not have been devised by any mortal being, much less so by an illiterate bedouin.
Some of my friends may have an objection to the above, but it is the truth.
Thanks GT.
My conviction towards Islam does not stem from blind faith being a born Muslim. It stems from having been convinced after extensive due-diligence, that it is such a comprehensively perfect system along with built-in durability, that it could not have been devised by any mortal being, much less so by an illiterate bedouin.
Some of my friends may have an objection to the above, but it is the truth.
#387 Posted by Raw_Dust on May 11, 2007 9:15:46 am
GT:
Instead of trying to have a communication with the resident Allah-fetishist zeemax, I would like to invite you to go and read the sources of the devilish ideology (i.e., Quran, Bukhari, Shia and Sunni historical sources of early Islamic period) by yourself and THEN make opinions. Zeemax`s been taking along for the ride by kaalchakra every other day and he thinks kaalchakra is here for understanding ``Islam`` and that from a Munafiq like Zeemax whose interest fed body is primed for the fires of Hell. Zeemax will never debate with me about anything Islamic cos I will expose his Allah and Mohammad to be the alter-egoes of an arab pervert megalomaniac. Anyways,
Here is a snippet from kaalchakra`s true thoughts on Islam:
kaalchakra as his other avatar Ralph:
``#94 One Day At a Time on October 17, 2004
All religions are full of dogma, absurdities, oppressions, and injustices. Islam more than most other religions but not uniquely so.
Islam`s uniqueness, and its greatest evil, lies in darkening the hearts and minds of `moderate` and `dormant` Muslims.
The `moderates` and `dormant` followers of other religions work hard to escape the limits of outdated dogma, economic, social, political injustices and divisions prescribed by their religions. The `moderate` and `dormant` Muslim dedicates his or her life divining justifications of these Islamic evils and absurdities.``
Instead of trying to have a communication with the resident Allah-fetishist zeemax, I would like to invite you to go and read the sources of the devilish ideology (i.e., Quran, Bukhari, Shia and Sunni historical sources of early Islamic period) by yourself and THEN make opinions. Zeemax`s been taking along for the ride by kaalchakra every other day and he thinks kaalchakra is here for understanding ``Islam`` and that from a Munafiq like Zeemax whose interest fed body is primed for the fires of Hell. Zeemax will never debate with me about anything Islamic cos I will expose his Allah and Mohammad to be the alter-egoes of an arab pervert megalomaniac. Anyways,
Here is a snippet from kaalchakra`s true thoughts on Islam:
kaalchakra as his other avatar Ralph:
``#94 One Day At a Time on October 17, 2004
All religions are full of dogma, absurdities, oppressions, and injustices. Islam more than most other religions but not uniquely so.
Islam`s uniqueness, and its greatest evil, lies in darkening the hearts and minds of `moderate` and `dormant` Muslims.
The `moderates` and `dormant` followers of other religions work hard to escape the limits of outdated dogma, economic, social, political injustices and divisions prescribed by their religions. The `moderate` and `dormant` Muslim dedicates his or her life divining justifications of these Islamic evils and absurdities.``
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