Militant Liberalism
ahmad hayat May 9, 2007
#323 Posted by zeemax on May 14, 2007 12:01:04 pm
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#322 Posted by dharma on May 14, 2007 11:49:09 am
Dear Ahmad,
Assuming these predictions come true and pakistan disintegrates in 10 years or so and
at that time if India happens to have leftist/pro islam govt and they agree to unify, wont
this pan islamism control India destroy its culture and make it a sea of islam from middle
east to Indonesia? We see in Iran how islam can destroy culture and make humans into robots. Isnt it this greater danger to India and ultimately to the world than keeping it confined to Pakistan? What other solutions do you see for pakistan? I see the only way
forward is to ban religion for 100 years in public life in pakistan and be closer to china.
regards,
dharma
Assuming these predictions come true and pakistan disintegrates in 10 years or so and
at that time if India happens to have leftist/pro islam govt and they agree to unify, wont
this pan islamism control India destroy its culture and make it a sea of islam from middle
east to Indonesia? We see in Iran how islam can destroy culture and make humans into robots. Isnt it this greater danger to India and ultimately to the world than keeping it confined to Pakistan? What other solutions do you see for pakistan? I see the only way
forward is to ban religion for 100 years in public life in pakistan and be closer to china.
regards,
dharma
#321 Posted by tahmed32 on May 14, 2007 11:35:18 am
aslam hayat #311 Thanks for summarizing your views. Here are some comments.
1. I am totally against the sham policies of ``Pan-Islamism``
basically agreed. the only form of pan-islamism that has actually taken root is the weed of ben laden style terrorism.
``Pseudo-Pakistani Nationalism``...In the name of being a Pakistani...we have been told to shun our indigenous cultures/roots/languages...
disagree. You can be a pakistani nationalist and at the same time appreciate your indigenous culture. There is no conflict - just as you can be a pakistani nationalist and call for warm ties with all our neigbors, including india, as well.
3. Bolshevic Islam...the tool of opression...that destroys the indigenous cultures and Arabianizes them...
this is the same as 1.
4. Urdu-Speaking Politicians and Bureaucracy that were responsible for the creation of Pakistan...Pakistan was for them a fiefdom...
possibly. this is water under the bridge.
5. Pakistan Army that was the tool of this minority coterie to control the indigenous Pakistani populations...
disagree. Ayub Khan, who introduced this cancer of military intervention in politics, had nothing to do with urdu-speaking people. Same for Zia.
6. The only solution is decentrlization, devolution of powers and handing over of resources to indigenous people through democratic processes of free fair Elections.
While musharraf`s behavior wrt the CJP has done grave damage to Pakistan and violates the basic rights of Pakistanis, I should note that he deserves credit for taking the first major step in this direction by replacing DCs with elected Nazims. There is a long way to go from here, I would agree. A good first step would be to abolish provincial governments, and have only two layers of government - local and national.
Regards to you as well.
1. I am totally against the sham policies of ``Pan-Islamism``
basically agreed. the only form of pan-islamism that has actually taken root is the weed of ben laden style terrorism.
``Pseudo-Pakistani Nationalism``...In the name of being a Pakistani...we have been told to shun our indigenous cultures/roots/languages...
disagree. You can be a pakistani nationalist and at the same time appreciate your indigenous culture. There is no conflict - just as you can be a pakistani nationalist and call for warm ties with all our neigbors, including india, as well.
3. Bolshevic Islam...the tool of opression...that destroys the indigenous cultures and Arabianizes them...
this is the same as 1.
4. Urdu-Speaking Politicians and Bureaucracy that were responsible for the creation of Pakistan...Pakistan was for them a fiefdom...
possibly. this is water under the bridge.
5. Pakistan Army that was the tool of this minority coterie to control the indigenous Pakistani populations...
disagree. Ayub Khan, who introduced this cancer of military intervention in politics, had nothing to do with urdu-speaking people. Same for Zia.
6. The only solution is decentrlization, devolution of powers and handing over of resources to indigenous people through democratic processes of free fair Elections.
While musharraf`s behavior wrt the CJP has done grave damage to Pakistan and violates the basic rights of Pakistanis, I should note that he deserves credit for taking the first major step in this direction by replacing DCs with elected Nazims. There is a long way to go from here, I would agree. A good first step would be to abolish provincial governments, and have only two layers of government - local and national.
Regards to you as well.
#320 Posted by haji004 on May 14, 2007 11:12:05 am
Re: # 318
Well you should fear more of the wrath of ``Echoboom`` than that of ``Zeena``...His parole is quite loaded with expletives like everybody who hasn`t got an answer but doesn`t want to concede...or perhaps that`s the extra benefit of the Pan-Islamic brain-washing/training...
Now to your question:
Well the reason I have already pointed out actually...Under the influence of North-Indian urdu-speaking Muslim leadership...manifestation of anti-Indianism is considered equal to being a muslim because this leadership thinks that they are decendants of Iranian, Afghani, Central Asian conquerors...and since urdu was the language of U.P. muslims under late Mughal and British rule (alongwith Persian) the leadership associates it with Islam...It has got nothing to do with Islam in fact...
For example Kerala, I think has 25% Muslim population, far more in percentage than anyother state in India (except Kashmir of course), but they speak Malyalam. No demand whatsoever has ever been raised by Kerala muslims to make Urdu their language. They are on the other hand a bit anti-Hindi to make matters a bit farther.
The only reason...Their leadership is INDIGENOUS and does not have Afghani/Irani etc. ancestry...like north Indian muslim leaders who are as bigot as their urdu-speaking counterparts here in Pakistan...
The people of Bengal (Bengladesh) have realised this menace of ``Islamic Nationalism`` and hence have freed themselves from this chain that urdu-speaking minority had tried to tie them with.
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
Well you should fear more of the wrath of ``Echoboom`` than that of ``Zeena``...His parole is quite loaded with expletives like everybody who hasn`t got an answer but doesn`t want to concede...or perhaps that`s the extra benefit of the Pan-Islamic brain-washing/training...
Now to your question:
Well the reason I have already pointed out actually...Under the influence of North-Indian urdu-speaking Muslim leadership...manifestation of anti-Indianism is considered equal to being a muslim because this leadership thinks that they are decendants of Iranian, Afghani, Central Asian conquerors...and since urdu was the language of U.P. muslims under late Mughal and British rule (alongwith Persian) the leadership associates it with Islam...It has got nothing to do with Islam in fact...
For example Kerala, I think has 25% Muslim population, far more in percentage than anyother state in India (except Kashmir of course), but they speak Malyalam. No demand whatsoever has ever been raised by Kerala muslims to make Urdu their language. They are on the other hand a bit anti-Hindi to make matters a bit farther.
The only reason...Their leadership is INDIGENOUS and does not have Afghani/Irani etc. ancestry...like north Indian muslim leaders who are as bigot as their urdu-speaking counterparts here in Pakistan...
The people of Bengal (Bengladesh) have realised this menace of ``Islamic Nationalism`` and hence have freed themselves from this chain that urdu-speaking minority had tried to tie them with.
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
#319 Posted by echoboom on May 14, 2007 11:00:16 am
#317
Oh the caption under the picture?
Well it is:
Ahmad Akhtar Hayat.
Oh the caption under the picture?
Well it is:
Ahmad Akhtar Hayat.
#318 Posted by Folio on May 14, 2007 10:51:53 am
Haji,
What`s going 2 happen??
I dont venture that idea, lest I be lynched by Xeba babe ;-)
Honestly, India is not the best place 2 live but economic betterment wud ironout many shortcomings in the long run and THAT`s my hope on India. As 4 Pakistan when Isee abt the price-list of vegetables, I feel like exporting vegetabvles to Pakistan from India and become a billionaire;-).
If the day2day life is happy, nobody cares for these political lotas. On that count Pakiatan has double negative. I agree.
I noticed one development in West Bengal (of late). WB Muslims got Urdu declared as second language in WB. Whereas East Benaglis crave for Bengali language and its culture, Indian Bengalis are craving 4 Urdu. On the face of it, I dont have problem with that but Muslims identifying themslves with Urdu is as old as Mughal dynasty. This craving found expression in the form of AIML and of course creation of Pakistan later on.
HOW THE TWO BENGALS ARE RESPONDING IN 2 DIFFERENT WAYS TO THE CULTURAL/EMOTIONAL NECESSITIES?
I find this as very strange.
What`s going 2 happen??
I dont venture that idea, lest I be lynched by Xeba babe ;-)
Honestly, India is not the best place 2 live but economic betterment wud ironout many shortcomings in the long run and THAT`s my hope on India. As 4 Pakistan when Isee abt the price-list of vegetables, I feel like exporting vegetabvles to Pakistan from India and become a billionaire;-).
If the day2day life is happy, nobody cares for these political lotas. On that count Pakiatan has double negative. I agree.
I noticed one development in West Bengal (of late). WB Muslims got Urdu declared as second language in WB. Whereas East Benaglis crave for Bengali language and its culture, Indian Bengalis are craving 4 Urdu. On the face of it, I dont have problem with that but Muslims identifying themslves with Urdu is as old as Mughal dynasty. This craving found expression in the form of AIML and of course creation of Pakistan later on.
HOW THE TWO BENGALS ARE RESPONDING IN 2 DIFFERENT WAYS TO THE CULTURAL/EMOTIONAL NECESSITIES?
I find this as very strange.
#317 Posted by haji004 on May 14, 2007 10:43:50 am
Re: # 316
Well echoboom what does this mean??? If you do find a bit of time after finishing your galee galoch...Let me tell you what you should do...There is this interactor who can interact in Arabic... you should get him to translate your post in Arabic...so that I could read your pejoratives in vernacular as well...
Well echoboom what does this mean??? If you do find a bit of time after finishing your galee galoch...Let me tell you what you should do...There is this interactor who can interact in Arabic... you should get him to translate your post in Arabic...so that I could read your pejoratives in vernacular as well...
#316 Posted by echoboom on May 14, 2007 10:33:19 am
Here is the real Bunder performing on the DuuGGduuGGii:
Wah Wah Wah-Cantt..another Tariq-Ali type Buffoon here. The guy writes..he is faarinish!
Now knows French!..but sorry can`t read Urdu or Arabie or Farsie [ the languages of the learned ones]
Poor fellow went from Deep Deep RED ( crimson--more commie than Marx?), to Pastel Pink, and now is almost faded Ecru on his way to become transparent & disappear.
`` The best policy is to have no policy..and do as you please, when you please, & with whom you please``...the clarion call of a fraud perpetrated by LIberaloons, Muunaafiquoons, Kanjaroons, and Murtadoons.
CLICK on PICTURE to enlarge
"The first paragraph was written in France."
I was in Pakistan when I saw CQ for the first time. At that time I was politically inclined towards the left. Not that I am not now, I would vote for a political party with leftish tendencies, but that would not be out of choice, that would be out of necessity. Anyway at that time I was a die-hard "Red". CQ is set in France. My knowledge of France, although I live in France now and speak french fluently, was limited to the fact that Paris is the capital, the national monument is Eiffel Tower, Paris is the city of perfumes, lights and fashion (whatever that means) and the French speak English with a très french accent.
To say that I was mesmerized by the plot, the story, the acting and above all the treatment of the subject would to be understate the things grossly.
The movie is essentially B-Grade at best: From whichever aspect we might try to analyze it. The cast is virtually unknown, although I would have to admit that Angela Lindvall possesses a beauty that can only be termed as celestial and that I have been worshipping her since then. The director actually makes his debut i.e. this is his first movie. The hero is one of the top-ranked B-grade actors of Hollywood. I won`t give his name. In fact the actor in supporting role is a bit more of a 2nd grade celebrity than the main lead. But not for a moment think that the movie is bad. All this banality and this run-of-the-mill look is given to the movie on purpose and is so natural that it passes for genuine.
The director is "Roman Coppola". The prodigal son of the much more famous "Francis Ford Coppola". The "Coppolas" being Italian by origin and being Newyorkers by upbringing have always been supporters of the "Democratic Party". The "Democratic Party" with its urban-immigrant base, as opposed to the WASPish- Evangelical-Rural base of the "Republican Party", has always had sympathies towards the left with an openly non-belligerent stance. Coming on the heals of the commencement of war in Afghanistan and released in an year when drum-beating for Iraq war was in full swing...this movie, so very subtly diffuses an anti-neo-conservative message.
The direction is excellent and like every great movie their are two stories running apparently in parallel yet intertwined at a psychological plane in an inseparable manner. Astonishingly however the movie was not publicized perhaps due to its anti-American content and as a result very few people in fact got to see the movie. Of course French connoisseurs showed their class by selecting it as the best movie at the Cannes Film Festival. One of my all time favourites (There is a Gérard Depardieu cameo) this movie is perhaps the best political movie of the past twenty years.
Wah Wah Wah-Cantt..another Tariq-Ali type Buffoon here. The guy writes..he is faarinish!
Now knows French!..but sorry can`t read Urdu or Arabie or Farsie [ the languages of the learned ones]
Poor fellow went from Deep Deep RED ( crimson--more commie than Marx?), to Pastel Pink, and now is almost faded Ecru on his way to become transparent & disappear.
`` The best policy is to have no policy..and do as you please, when you please, & with whom you please``...the clarion call of a fraud perpetrated by LIberaloons, Muunaafiquoons, Kanjaroons, and Murtadoons.
CLICK on PICTURE to enlarge
April 12
The Best Movie Never Seen
"The first paragraph was written in France."
I was in Pakistan when I saw CQ for the first time. At that time I was politically inclined towards the left. Not that I am not now, I would vote for a political party with leftish tendencies, but that would not be out of choice, that would be out of necessity. Anyway at that time I was a die-hard "Red". CQ is set in France. My knowledge of France, although I live in France now and speak french fluently, was limited to the fact that Paris is the capital, the national monument is Eiffel Tower, Paris is the city of perfumes, lights and fashion (whatever that means) and the French speak English with a très french accent.
To say that I was mesmerized by the plot, the story, the acting and above all the treatment of the subject would to be understate the things grossly.
The movie is essentially B-Grade at best: From whichever aspect we might try to analyze it. The cast is virtually unknown, although I would have to admit that Angela Lindvall possesses a beauty that can only be termed as celestial and that I have been worshipping her since then. The director actually makes his debut i.e. this is his first movie. The hero is one of the top-ranked B-grade actors of Hollywood. I won`t give his name. In fact the actor in supporting role is a bit more of a 2nd grade celebrity than the main lead. But not for a moment think that the movie is bad. All this banality and this run-of-the-mill look is given to the movie on purpose and is so natural that it passes for genuine.
The director is "Roman Coppola". The prodigal son of the much more famous "Francis Ford Coppola". The "Coppolas" being Italian by origin and being Newyorkers by upbringing have always been supporters of the "Democratic Party". The "Democratic Party" with its urban-immigrant base, as opposed to the WASPish- Evangelical-Rural base of the "Republican Party", has always had sympathies towards the left with an openly non-belligerent stance. Coming on the heals of the commencement of war in Afghanistan and released in an year when drum-beating for Iraq war was in full swing...this movie, so very subtly diffuses an anti-neo-conservative message.
The direction is excellent and like every great movie their are two stories running apparently in parallel yet intertwined at a psychological plane in an inseparable manner. Astonishingly however the movie was not publicized perhaps due to its anti-American content and as a result very few people in fact got to see the movie. Of course French connoisseurs showed their class by selecting it as the best movie at the Cannes Film Festival. One of my all time favourites (There is a Gérard Depardieu cameo) this movie is perhaps the best political movie of the past twenty years.
#315 Posted by haji004 on May 14, 2007 10:29:01 am
Re: # 313
Folio what you have said is true but what I have been saying in my posts is
``Why it is not going to happen``...
Pakistan would remain un-democratic because the biggest hurdle in the path of democracy, Feudalism, is un-abolished in Pakistan.
Un-Democratic Pakistan would surely be Army-controlled.
Army-Controlled Pakistan, as I have cited above, has brought 3 Wars to Inida plus two insurgencies (Punjab, Kashmir) that have furthered Indian people and governments from Pakistan.
The true tragedy is this:
The most-pathetic democratic leader, powered and financed and aided and abetted by the Army, Nawaz Sharif, decides to resolve problems with India ,and in turn is thrown into jail, tried for treason and sent to Saudi Arabia...the country that should surely be nuked one day...by the Army that controls the country with the help of bureaucracy and control this jingoistic mullah alliance...
India should only hope for a democratic Pakistan free of anti-nationalist forces of ``Pakistani Nationalism`` and ``Pan-Islamism`` if it has to have a degree of normalcy in ralations with Pakistan.
As far as your ``copy-India`` analysis is concerned I think that it is not completely correct. It has been correct lately...For example Pakistan during 60s and 70s and even well into 80s followed the pseudo-liberal Harvard Group model implemented by IMF dacoits...while India was much more close to Nehruistic-Socialism...But its true that Pakistan has conciously tried to match India lately...
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
Folio what you have said is true but what I have been saying in my posts is
``Why it is not going to happen``...
Pakistan would remain un-democratic because the biggest hurdle in the path of democracy, Feudalism, is un-abolished in Pakistan.
Un-Democratic Pakistan would surely be Army-controlled.
Army-Controlled Pakistan, as I have cited above, has brought 3 Wars to Inida plus two insurgencies (Punjab, Kashmir) that have furthered Indian people and governments from Pakistan.
The true tragedy is this:
The most-pathetic democratic leader, powered and financed and aided and abetted by the Army, Nawaz Sharif, decides to resolve problems with India ,and in turn is thrown into jail, tried for treason and sent to Saudi Arabia...the country that should surely be nuked one day...by the Army that controls the country with the help of bureaucracy and control this jingoistic mullah alliance...
India should only hope for a democratic Pakistan free of anti-nationalist forces of ``Pakistani Nationalism`` and ``Pan-Islamism`` if it has to have a degree of normalcy in ralations with Pakistan.
As far as your ``copy-India`` analysis is concerned I think that it is not completely correct. It has been correct lately...For example Pakistan during 60s and 70s and even well into 80s followed the pseudo-liberal Harvard Group model implemented by IMF dacoits...while India was much more close to Nehruistic-Socialism...But its true that Pakistan has conciously tried to match India lately...
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
#314 Posted by haji004 on May 14, 2007 10:03:37 am
Re: # 311
You speak of interacts...Most of them are buckets-full of slime...The tone is always confronting and berating...and most of these hate-mongers, apart from not having the ability to analyze and formulate, can`t even get their facts straight...
Would love to see someone a bit logical a bit more often...
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
You speak of interacts...Most of them are buckets-full of slime...The tone is always confronting and berating...and most of these hate-mongers, apart from not having the ability to analyze and formulate, can`t even get their facts straight...
Would love to see someone a bit logical a bit more often...
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
#313 Posted by Folio on May 14, 2007 10:00:17 am
1. Xena,
No more arguments with you. XOXO.
2. Yasser (radio frequency 786),
Thanks for correcting me abt the Chief Justice`s nativity i.e Quetta.
3. Haji,
The Aligarh school of thinkers hijacked the agenda of pliant, AIML leadership. Once Jinnah came back from hibernation it`s a roller-coaster ride for AIML.
The flock that believed in Pakistan is replaced by the kinda of successors who dream abt the lands left by the their forefathers.
The Urdu speakers aka Pakistanites in present day Pakistan cant be asked to bear the cross of their forefathers. When people like Ghazi Salahuddin writes in his Sunday articles as if `Pakistan was made out of galti`, it`s enough an indication that many repent the actions of their forefathers more so in the context that the dream of Pakistan became sour.
Let me repeat what I said elsewhere:
Pakistan is an artificial country
Pakistanis cudnt inculcate the spirit of positive nationalism so far.
Pakistan still wants to compete with India, `word2word, deed2deed` (military prowess, atomic prowess etc). India liberalised her economy, Pak followed it. India liberalised electronic media. Pakistan followed it.
Pakistan can still be redeemed on the basis on positive nationalsim but not on anti-Indianism. Though this is an oft-repeated cliche but this is the ONLY way 4 Pakistan to follow. Close economic cooperation wud benefit both India and Pakistan manifold. The only caveat in this is that cross-migrators shud forget abt the BS called Akhand Bharat/Great Islamic Empire of the subcontinent.
No more arguments with you. XOXO.
2. Yasser (radio frequency 786),
Thanks for correcting me abt the Chief Justice`s nativity i.e Quetta.
3. Haji,
The Aligarh school of thinkers hijacked the agenda of pliant, AIML leadership. Once Jinnah came back from hibernation it`s a roller-coaster ride for AIML.
The flock that believed in Pakistan is replaced by the kinda of successors who dream abt the lands left by the their forefathers.
The Urdu speakers aka Pakistanites in present day Pakistan cant be asked to bear the cross of their forefathers. When people like Ghazi Salahuddin writes in his Sunday articles as if `Pakistan was made out of galti`, it`s enough an indication that many repent the actions of their forefathers more so in the context that the dream of Pakistan became sour.
Let me repeat what I said elsewhere:
Pakistan is an artificial country
Pakistanis cudnt inculcate the spirit of positive nationalism so far.
Pakistan still wants to compete with India, `word2word, deed2deed` (military prowess, atomic prowess etc). India liberalised her economy, Pak followed it. India liberalised electronic media. Pakistan followed it.
Pakistan can still be redeemed on the basis on positive nationalsim but not on anti-Indianism. Though this is an oft-repeated cliche but this is the ONLY way 4 Pakistan to follow. Close economic cooperation wud benefit both India and Pakistan manifold. The only caveat in this is that cross-migrators shud forget abt the BS called Akhand Bharat/Great Islamic Empire of the subcontinent.
#312 Posted by haji004 on May 14, 2007 9:56:12 am
Re: # 306
I have told you Zeemax...I have never said that Shareefs are fuedals...
and you don`t know that Chaudries have married in Feudals...
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
I have told you Zeemax...I have never said that Shareefs are fuedals...
and you don`t know that Chaudries have married in Feudals...
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
#311 Posted by haji004 on May 14, 2007 9:52:01 am
Re: # 305
Tahmed...I am totally against the sham policies of ``Pan-Islamism`` and ``Pseudo-Pakistani Nationalism``...In the name of being a Pakistani...we have been told to shun our indigenous cultures/roots/languages...
plus we have this Bolshevic Islam...the tool of opression...that destroys the indigenous cultures and Arabianizes them...
A Pakistan free of the hegemony of these two thought streams would be the Ideal. But it is not possible in long-term and that`s why every solution of Pakistan`s problems...If we take the continuity of Pakistani socio-political situation and the maintenance of status-quo as constants... results in a struggle between the indigenous people of Pakistan and the non-democratic forces.
What are these non-democratic forces?
Urdu-Speaking Politicians and Bureaucracy that were responsible for the creation of Pakistan...Pakistan was for them a fiefdom...The Feudal Lords...that were supported and propped by these politicians and bureaucrats...and finally Pakistan Army that was the tool of this minority coterie to control the indigenous Pakistani populations...
Half of the country has already gone and if you analyse the ``Bengali Tragedy`` keeping in mind the arguments I have given...it would be easier for you to extrapolate the scenario of the ``Bigger Tragedy``...
Anyway these anti-nationalist forces of ``Pan-Islamism`` and ``Pakistani Nationalism`` that walk hand in hand against the ``Nationalist`` thought streams and brand them racist and anti-Pakistani must be countered with every means possible.
The biggest misfortune of Pakistan is the non-abolition of Feudal Classes that have now metamorphosed into Industrialist/Commercial/Corporate monsters...as I have described before...
The only solution is decentrlization, devolution of powers and handing over of resources to indigenous people through democratic processes of free fair Elections. In Pakistan, unfortunately, that would remain to be a dream.
The forces counter to decentralization are the same that were for non-abolition of Feudalism after the creation of Pakistan and the fear of decentralization leads them to incline more and more towards Pan-Islamic parties having a culture-less/language-less/ethnicity-less manifesto .
Hence the evils of anti-nationalism have converged to amplify their intellectual resources and by virute of controlling the country through Army and bureaucracy have accumalated enormous amounts of power.
They would not leave the corridors of power without a bloody struggle. The social fabric of Pakistan is too weak to resist a war and would destroy itself in an instant. Dis-integeration hence is not a question of ``Why`` but ``When``.
The only tool to provoke people that they have is their hateful-propaganda against India in which India is portrayed as an Imperial monster inhabited by Infidels trying to grab Pakistan which is totally false (Does anybody watch the channel AAJ TV). Why should India try to grab Pakistan when within 10 years there isn`t going to be a Pakistan? Anyway lately that has also become useless as we have noticed.
And finally there are people who are so indoctorinated by false Pakistani-Nationality notions and this drug of religion that they have lost their tolerance and are , either not willing to listen or even eager to differ even before listening.
This absence of a self-evaluating ``internal thought process`` is actually what I am lamenting about.
Quote: ``After all these years I have known that no amount of defending these frontiers can save the country if the internal thought processes, by their very inexistence, are unable to justify the so-called independence imposed on the people because men like us, unworthy of independence, though they cry for it ever so loudly, will either remain subject or will quickly relapse into subjection should they by some unlucky circumstance obtain what they could only misuse.`` Unquote
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
Tahmed...I am totally against the sham policies of ``Pan-Islamism`` and ``Pseudo-Pakistani Nationalism``...In the name of being a Pakistani...we have been told to shun our indigenous cultures/roots/languages...
plus we have this Bolshevic Islam...the tool of opression...that destroys the indigenous cultures and Arabianizes them...
A Pakistan free of the hegemony of these two thought streams would be the Ideal. But it is not possible in long-term and that`s why every solution of Pakistan`s problems...If we take the continuity of Pakistani socio-political situation and the maintenance of status-quo as constants... results in a struggle between the indigenous people of Pakistan and the non-democratic forces.
What are these non-democratic forces?
Urdu-Speaking Politicians and Bureaucracy that were responsible for the creation of Pakistan...Pakistan was for them a fiefdom...The Feudal Lords...that were supported and propped by these politicians and bureaucrats...and finally Pakistan Army that was the tool of this minority coterie to control the indigenous Pakistani populations...
Half of the country has already gone and if you analyse the ``Bengali Tragedy`` keeping in mind the arguments I have given...it would be easier for you to extrapolate the scenario of the ``Bigger Tragedy``...
Anyway these anti-nationalist forces of ``Pan-Islamism`` and ``Pakistani Nationalism`` that walk hand in hand against the ``Nationalist`` thought streams and brand them racist and anti-Pakistani must be countered with every means possible.
The biggest misfortune of Pakistan is the non-abolition of Feudal Classes that have now metamorphosed into Industrialist/Commercial/Corporate monsters...as I have described before...
The only solution is decentrlization, devolution of powers and handing over of resources to indigenous people through democratic processes of free fair Elections. In Pakistan, unfortunately, that would remain to be a dream.
The forces counter to decentralization are the same that were for non-abolition of Feudalism after the creation of Pakistan and the fear of decentralization leads them to incline more and more towards Pan-Islamic parties having a culture-less/language-less/ethnicity-less manifesto .
Hence the evils of anti-nationalism have converged to amplify their intellectual resources and by virute of controlling the country through Army and bureaucracy have accumalated enormous amounts of power.
They would not leave the corridors of power without a bloody struggle. The social fabric of Pakistan is too weak to resist a war and would destroy itself in an instant. Dis-integeration hence is not a question of ``Why`` but ``When``.
The only tool to provoke people that they have is their hateful-propaganda against India in which India is portrayed as an Imperial monster inhabited by Infidels trying to grab Pakistan which is totally false (Does anybody watch the channel AAJ TV). Why should India try to grab Pakistan when within 10 years there isn`t going to be a Pakistan? Anyway lately that has also become useless as we have noticed.
And finally there are people who are so indoctorinated by false Pakistani-Nationality notions and this drug of religion that they have lost their tolerance and are , either not willing to listen or even eager to differ even before listening.
This absence of a self-evaluating ``internal thought process`` is actually what I am lamenting about.
Quote: ``After all these years I have known that no amount of defending these frontiers can save the country if the internal thought processes, by their very inexistence, are unable to justify the so-called independence imposed on the people because men like us, unworthy of independence, though they cry for it ever so loudly, will either remain subject or will quickly relapse into subjection should they by some unlucky circumstance obtain what they could only misuse.`` Unquote
Best Regards
Ahmad Hayat
#310 Posted by hamzaad on May 14, 2007 9:19:30 am
Re: # 307
zeena is already hooked up with a mountain goat in hazara. This was a reward by her local panchayat for her grandmother getting a PhD in mathematics and seeking to improve zeena`s DNA by hooking her up with a goat..
zeena is already hooked up with a mountain goat in hazara. This was a reward by her local panchayat for her grandmother getting a PhD in mathematics and seeking to improve zeena`s DNA by hooking her up with a goat..
#309 Posted by zeemax on May 14, 2007 9:02:53 am
....contd ...
.... as you trashed Hudabiya as well ... in your previous posts ... but you have no clue as to what it was about.
.... as you trashed Hudabiya as well ... in your previous posts ... but you have no clue as to what it was about.
#308 Posted by zeemax on May 14, 2007 8:54:54 am
#307 by hamidm2,
Thanks. But I have to look at it closely just so that it is not another red herring like `Hudaibya` on the part of the Kafirs who accepted it first and then broke it, but the Muslims weren`t foolish either.
However, I know Haji Ahmed Hayat is a good person. I just have this feeling. And I`m sure I`m not wrong.
No comparison with Zeena though. She`s a Momina ... and you can ridicule her till kingdom come. She won`t leave her path.
Thanks. But I have to look at it closely just so that it is not another red herring like `Hudaibya` on the part of the Kafirs who accepted it first and then broke it, but the Muslims weren`t foolish either.
However, I know Haji Ahmed Hayat is a good person. I just have this feeling. And I`m sure I`m not wrong.
No comparison with Zeena though. She`s a Momina ... and you can ridicule her till kingdom come. She won`t leave her path.
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