ahmad hayat May 9, 2007
#1 Posted by zeemax on May 9, 2007 10:44:34 am
The ambition is now to found a militant liberal organization that would mirror the brutality of Militant Islam just to root it out from our society…
Sure. Just don`t forget to ask your quartermaster to stock a lot of sunglasses. Antiperspirant too. It`s hot out in the sun, you know ...
Sure. Just don`t forget to ask your quartermaster to stock a lot of sunglasses. Antiperspirant too. It`s hot out in the sun, you know ...
#2 Posted by CheGuevara on May 9, 2007 11:18:01 am
Amen brother, tu chaa gaya
The only language fascists understand is violence, we have no choice but to kill them before they can get to us.
However, I wouldn`t solely blame Saudis and Iranians for militant Islam, the problem lies with Islam itself and it will have to change or cease to exist.
The only language fascists understand is violence, we have no choice but to kill them before they can get to us.
However, I wouldn`t solely blame Saudis and Iranians for militant Islam, the problem lies with Islam itself and it will have to change or cease to exist.
#3 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 9, 2007 12:17:33 pm
a bizarre article. mister aah, i am also against militant wahabism (don`t call it islam--it is to islam what nazism was to christianity), passionately, but you cannot just go around killing people. if we use the same tactics as the wahabis what makes us any better?
the defeat of wahabism will come from within islam--the State should patronise traditional sufi islam and not this 18th century freak-show from arabia. also people who are well educated are generally not prone to extremit ideologies. we need to educate the minds of people.
love defeats hate, not hate.
as for your prediction about there being no pakistan by 2020 i think it is you being too pessimistic. on what basis do you say this?
the defeat of wahabism will come from within islam--the State should patronise traditional sufi islam and not this 18th century freak-show from arabia. also people who are well educated are generally not prone to extremit ideologies. we need to educate the minds of people.
love defeats hate, not hate.
as for your prediction about there being no pakistan by 2020 i think it is you being too pessimistic. on what basis do you say this?
#4 Posted by Kulharee on May 9, 2007 1:06:42 pm
This article is all over the place. Some interesting observations, but too far between. It’s mostly some sort of helplessness that the author feels about the current situation in his homeland. Who doesn’t? Borders keep changing. Nothing is ever permanent.
Naqshbandi Sahib... remember East Pakistan? whatever became of that?
Naqshbandi Sahib... remember East Pakistan? whatever became of that?
#5 Posted by Urstruly on May 9, 2007 1:43:57 pm
The so called ``liberalism`` or ``unlightened motheration`` have always been militant in Muslim world since the time their colonial masters appointed them as proxies and custodians of their inetersts. But only now their monoply on violence is being challenged effectively. I suggest, swallow it. All the oppression and corruption that ``liberalism`` could do, it has done already. What could be worst than that? Make the lives of people even more miserable? kill them?? well duhh.
#6 Posted by Cos on May 9, 2007 2:13:06 pm
Pessimism personified!
Pakistan isn`t going anywhere. Sure, there are problems, but problems are to be faced and challenges to be accepted. One day, we`ll back on our feet again.
Pakistan isn`t going anywhere. Sure, there are problems, but problems are to be faced and challenges to be accepted. One day, we`ll back on our feet again.
#7 Posted by arjun2 on May 9, 2007 3:02:48 pm
#1 by zeemax on May 9, 2007 10:44am PT
You`re like the hamas jihadi rodent..preaching jihad for others but too scared to give up his own life for the principles he extols...
You`re like the hamas jihadi rodent..preaching jihad for others but too scared to give up his own life for the principles he extols...
#8 Posted by cliftonbridge on May 9, 2007 3:53:44 pm
interesting. man you are on some crazy shit ! PAKISTAN IS NUCLEAR. Bangladesh got out when the going was good , noone else is going anywhere and unless India wants to get a$$ bombed they cant assist anyone`s departure either. Russia was a diff story, mainland Russia is not threatened by independant central asian states they arent a military threat- do you see chechnya being liberated anyday soon? Pakistan is surrounded by hostile territory we cant afford any province to allign itself with india afghanistan iran or russia (only the ones who are protected by china might survive) and form a block against mainland pakistan. It`ll never happen you heard it here first. Armageddon will happen first.
#9 Posted by Ranjit on May 9, 2007 4:39:43 pm
Re:cliftonbridge#8
[..PAKISTAN IS NUCLEAR...]
Abey Clifton, your uncle USA can stop by tomorrow, give two slaps on Musharraf`s face and take away all your nukes. You need to develop some testicular fortitude before planning to use nukes...
[..PAKISTAN IS NUCLEAR...]
Abey Clifton, your uncle USA can stop by tomorrow, give two slaps on Musharraf`s face and take away all your nukes. You need to develop some testicular fortitude before planning to use nukes...
#10 Posted by Chennai on May 9, 2007 4:51:08 pm
``That, come 2020 and there would not be a country called Pakistan can be a pretty safe bet.``
Very optimistic prediction considering that 2012 is the date by which analysts feel Pakistan would be khatam.
PS:Which passport would then be applicable for Pakistanis. I would certainly not want it to be Indian!
Very optimistic prediction considering that 2012 is the date by which analysts feel Pakistan would be khatam.
PS:Which passport would then be applicable for Pakistanis. I would certainly not want it to be Indian!
#11 Posted by arjun2 on May 9, 2007 6:39:01 pm
#8 by cliftonbridge on May 9, 2007 3:53pm PT
noone else is going anywhere and unless India wants to get a$$ bombed they cant assist anyone`s departure either.
By the same token, Kashmir is not going to ever banega Pakiland....
noone else is going anywhere and unless India wants to get a$$ bombed they cant assist anyone`s departure either.
By the same token, Kashmir is not going to ever banega Pakiland....
#12 Posted by cliftonbridge on May 9, 2007 7:41:46 pm
Correct arjun, kashmir is not leaving India either for the same reason. Not because they love it there ;)
Ranjit dont tell us about tatta`s saley after staying in a country that said lets motherfuck the sikhs ...not some loafer street chap either, the fucking prime minister said that about you people and you still live their? bend over and check if you have any testicles left.
And if you are a hindu posing as a sikh then please tell me why you tatta less freaks couldnt fight the muslims yourself? after being butt screwed a mill times you had to ``create`` the sikhs with less dravidian blood to be your fighting force? shaat up idiot , jiss ke tattay houn woh hi bolay.
BTW i am just respoding to ass wipes who clearly want to be insulted i have nothing against hindu or sikh people who believe in respecting other people. This isnt about you.
Ranjit dont tell us about tatta`s saley after staying in a country that said lets motherfuck the sikhs ...not some loafer street chap either, the fucking prime minister said that about you people and you still live their? bend over and check if you have any testicles left.
And if you are a hindu posing as a sikh then please tell me why you tatta less freaks couldnt fight the muslims yourself? after being butt screwed a mill times you had to ``create`` the sikhs with less dravidian blood to be your fighting force? shaat up idiot , jiss ke tattay houn woh hi bolay.
BTW i am just respoding to ass wipes who clearly want to be insulted i have nothing against hindu or sikh people who believe in respecting other people. This isnt about you.
#13 Posted by khamy1 on May 9, 2007 8:39:02 pm
hahahahahah...abay ranjit hamari paki laRki ne teri achchi tarah se lay li...doob mer...;)
#14 Posted by Zeena on May 9, 2007 8:46:09 pm
Dear writer
Sorry to disappoint you, but, your article is plain dumb, clueless, confused with irrational thoughts which are just tangential and leave your readers without any destination.
Looks like you`re just too, compelled to eradicate Islam from Pakistan......LOL
I don`t know which Islam are you talking about?b/c in Pakistan poverty stricken villagers who are compelled to live with out basic human needs( 80% Pakistanis are villagers) by some rich feudals. These few feudals have snatched the gods for their peasants and they decide their fates.
And do you know who are these feudals?
Let me tell you who are these barbaric animals? They are NOT Muslims, they are just VULTURES with so called enlightened moderation propaganda to please their MASTERS...
So, exactly where is Islam? Actual Islam never got a chance to thrive in Pakistan. If, It would have been, trust me Pakistan would have been a developed and progressed country.
In Pakistan same old few Mullahs who just lead people in prayers and go to these feudal big houses to teach their kids Quran......This is the only role of Mullahs in Pakistan......
As for as Madrassas in Pakistan are, they were always there and they were never considered a threat, till recently...when Musharaf decided to swipe them away......
Musharaf has had been the SOLE MASTER of Pakistan for the last more than 6 years...
Why his enlightened moderation failed to eradicate corruption in Pakistan and to eradicate poverty for the majority of Pakistani people?
You know why?b/c Musharaf is not sincere in his efforts, he is only interested in his dictatorship by hook or by crook.....
So, you tell me, which card you are playing here in your clueless and confused article?
And it has become a fashion to thrash Islam in every way possible these days.....
If, someone is killer, blame Islam for that. If, someone is corrupt blame Islam for that. If, someone is thief blame Islam for that. If, someone is terrorist, blame Islam for that.......
If, Pakistan is still a poor country, blame Islam for that....LOL
Sure Islam is the culprit for all the chaos in this country.......Then my only question is what are you and your ilk`s waiting for? Why not start applying basic principles of humanity right next to your own neighborhood?
Go, check , if, there is any illiterate villager there, may be you can start teaching him/her lil bit of your knowledge...
Go, check, if, there is any sick person in your neighbor who needs your attention..go, check , if, there is someone who doesn`t have one meal to satisfy his/her hunger.......
And, do not give me this idiocy that Pakistan won`t exist in future........Pakistan will exist till dooms day....You know why?
B/c of Pakistan`s 80% hardworking Pakistanis who live in villages and who don`t ask others for their help. They have their pride and self esteem NOT to beg, but, to work hard even if it pays them few coins at the end of the day..........still they did not lose their hopes, still they did not lose their identity, still they did not lose their optimism.......
They go to bed hungry,but, get up saying,``PAKISTAN ZINDABAD``. and this is the only slogan that keeps them carry on with their struggle for existence with a broad smile on their faces.......they never utter a word of thanklessness..........and always get ready for their next hard working day...........
Feudals have snatched their basic rights from them.....please, let them live with their innocent beliefs...religious or non religious.......
At the end we ( PAKISTANIS)should all pray for the SOVEREIGNTY and progress of Pakistan for our future generations....
And May we live under the shadow of this flag which is the symbol of our integrity and identity....Amen
Sorry to disappoint you, but, your article is plain dumb, clueless, confused with irrational thoughts which are just tangential and leave your readers without any destination.
Looks like you`re just too, compelled to eradicate Islam from Pakistan......LOL
I don`t know which Islam are you talking about?b/c in Pakistan poverty stricken villagers who are compelled to live with out basic human needs( 80% Pakistanis are villagers) by some rich feudals. These few feudals have snatched the gods for their peasants and they decide their fates.
And do you know who are these feudals?
Let me tell you who are these barbaric animals? They are NOT Muslims, they are just VULTURES with so called enlightened moderation propaganda to please their MASTERS...
So, exactly where is Islam? Actual Islam never got a chance to thrive in Pakistan. If, It would have been, trust me Pakistan would have been a developed and progressed country.
In Pakistan same old few Mullahs who just lead people in prayers and go to these feudal big houses to teach their kids Quran......This is the only role of Mullahs in Pakistan......
As for as Madrassas in Pakistan are, they were always there and they were never considered a threat, till recently...when Musharaf decided to swipe them away......
Musharaf has had been the SOLE MASTER of Pakistan for the last more than 6 years...
Why his enlightened moderation failed to eradicate corruption in Pakistan and to eradicate poverty for the majority of Pakistani people?
You know why?b/c Musharaf is not sincere in his efforts, he is only interested in his dictatorship by hook or by crook.....
So, you tell me, which card you are playing here in your clueless and confused article?
And it has become a fashion to thrash Islam in every way possible these days.....
If, someone is killer, blame Islam for that. If, someone is corrupt blame Islam for that. If, someone is thief blame Islam for that. If, someone is terrorist, blame Islam for that.......
If, Pakistan is still a poor country, blame Islam for that....LOL
Sure Islam is the culprit for all the chaos in this country.......Then my only question is what are you and your ilk`s waiting for? Why not start applying basic principles of humanity right next to your own neighborhood?
Go, check , if, there is any illiterate villager there, may be you can start teaching him/her lil bit of your knowledge...
Go, check, if, there is any sick person in your neighbor who needs your attention..go, check , if, there is someone who doesn`t have one meal to satisfy his/her hunger.......
And, do not give me this idiocy that Pakistan won`t exist in future........Pakistan will exist till dooms day....You know why?
B/c of Pakistan`s 80% hardworking Pakistanis who live in villages and who don`t ask others for their help. They have their pride and self esteem NOT to beg, but, to work hard even if it pays them few coins at the end of the day..........still they did not lose their hopes, still they did not lose their identity, still they did not lose their optimism.......
They go to bed hungry,but, get up saying,``PAKISTAN ZINDABAD``. and this is the only slogan that keeps them carry on with their struggle for existence with a broad smile on their faces.......they never utter a word of thanklessness..........and always get ready for their next hard working day...........
Feudals have snatched their basic rights from them.....please, let them live with their innocent beliefs...religious or non religious.......
At the end we ( PAKISTANIS)should all pray for the SOVEREIGNTY and progress of Pakistan for our future generations....
And May we live under the shadow of this flag which is the symbol of our integrity and identity....Amen
#15 Posted by dullabhatti on May 9, 2007 11:26:44 pm
writer seems to be going through a serious crisis. dude nothing is going to happen. Pakistan is there to stay so calm down. just because some idiot is brainstorming in the state department does not mean his idea is feasible.
yes fanaticism is a problem but it is not end of the world. fanaticism is up in the world on average in last many years..I think people are fearful of losing what they have..idenities, religion, culture, language, money, power.
yes fanaticism is a problem but it is not end of the world. fanaticism is up in the world on average in last many years..I think people are fearful of losing what they have..idenities, religion, culture, language, money, power.
#16 Posted by Folio on May 10, 2007 1:24:53 am
Xena the Honeybum,
>>>And May we live under the shadow of this flag...<<<
U are a citizen of the US. How canya say something like this???
>>>And May we live under the shadow of this flag...<<<
U are a citizen of the US. How canya say something like this???
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