What Next After Karachi’s Carnage?

Re: # 799

Thas what i am talkin about! Bravo!

Cheers.

#797 abu_safwaan jii

Well, only , if, you would know me....
I am with you on this matter..........Yes...Islam iin it`s true sense is extremely sane and completely rational with full of common sense...but, yes I agree some pseudo mullahs abuse it for their own agendas...And strictly, they are absolutely NOT my role models...they are just ignorant and they just manipulate islam to meet the needs of their restricted minds....They twist this beautiful religion according to their own selfish wishes and then they claim to be the champions of this religion......And I am in 100% agreement with you on this issue......trust me.....I don`t consider such pseudomullahs as true Muslims.......

#798

abu_safwan jii
Now, again please we give benefit of doubt when we do not have any proof.....Even a child can tell you by just giving one look @ this video , what`s going on?

Anyway......If, you wish to give benefit of doubt to this Pakistani leader.....that`s your prerogative...I won`t argue with you...
But, I won`t change my stand on this issue...what I see in the video is enough proof to believe.......

For you some of my views are irrational.....agreed.
Why?b/c they don`t conform with your mind...and same way some of your views like this one for me is irrational....why?b/c your view on this issue doesn`t conform with my mind........

So, I think we both agree to disagree on this issue.....to you, your view and to me my own irrational view......

PS:Logic is very strange kind of a thing..my be something is logical for you and at the same time it is illogical for me......and vice versa...

Regards

Re: # 796

Could it be because she wasn`t really RAPED as you put it? Could it be that sherry rehman would have thought..``hmm maybe it was just a mistake and his hands brushed my my chest not on purpose but by mistake since i am standing so close to him``. I have no idea, i dont know why she didnt slap him or made a scene, but i like to give people benefit of doubt. You on the other hand is suggesting that she either likes being touched like that or she is not woman enough to create a scene where there is a possibility that it was just an innocent mistake, like i said i dont know, but these are petty matters. We have far bigger problems and issues in our country than sherry rehman`s breasts getting cupped, if in fact thats what happened, as far as i am concerned the jury is still out on that, and i am hoping that they will remain out because its a inconsequential matter.

Re: # 796
I am missing the whole point? hahahahaha..OK ! I won`t argue because, although i think your views on many things are aligned with my views but i say this with utmost sincerity and respect that you dont come off as a rational person with an open mind. You have certain views about certain things and you stick to them like your life was dependent on it. I only practice this steadfastness on matters of Aqeedah, everything else as far as i am concerned is a possibility that i could be wrong. I will give you an example.

Till very recently i have harped on masjid-e-hafsa and their adminsitration for breaking the law and i wrote earlier that they should have bought that land and if they didnt have money they should have appealed to the masses for donations, but illegaly occupying a land especially in the name of a sane and common-sense religion like Islam is a travesty and oppression of the highest degree. But i recently found out that not only masjid-e-hafsa people offered to buy the land at a fair market price but it was against the norms and procedure of city planning to award land adjacent to a girls school to another entity when infact the school has filed paperwork in the past and has offered market price for the same land because their enrollment has increased and they would like to expand. My apologies for not knowing. I still however believe that ghazi brothers are using the threat of shria just so they can sort this matter out, i dont see any sincerity or homework for that matter on their part to take thier cause seriosuly.

And abu_safwaan jii(#794)

In addition....last,but, not least.....If I have a pathan driver and a body guard by my side....

On same note...Sheree Rehman is not a poor oppressed woman...she has the back up of the whole PPP....and also she has her own body guards............

Why her body guards were unable to protect her? Well, you are msiing the whole point here....

Sorry....

Regards

#794 abu_safwaan sahib
With all due respect, I totally understand your point here.........and to tell you the truth I agree with most of your points..............

But, against I can not agree with the whole notion of being sexually abused by a man in public(man is also a leader....LOL) and woman is also a leader.............and not pressing charges against this man...............that is utterly disgusting........

I can not buy that......and yes, rape doesn`t mean anything else,but, yes, this is equivalent to rape in my eyes.....what else is left here?

Alright we can say, for some poor oppressed Pakistani woman roaming in the streets of Pakistan and being sexually harassed by some scum bags....will have NO say for the justice and she will take this kind of sexual abuse with smile and will accept it as her destiny..........and everyone will be happy and will not say a word about it...........

B/c Pakistani society is filthy like that.......No I can`t buy that...........

This is strange...Pakistanis telling here that Pakistanis are unable to handle democracy...and they should better have dictatorship and then again some people are saying.....Let all the Pakistani women take such extreme sexual violence in public with grace and smile.............as it is their final destiny...................

And on top of everything, leaders of Pakistan doing such extreme sexual violence in public against women and then men expect women to keep quiet and smile..........What kind of garbage society is that?

You asked me,if, I am caught in such situation, what will I do?
I will slap the man right infornt of everyone and will file the charges against the man.......I will stand up for my right ............I will protect my dignity and I will die for my dignity..............period.

Now, since you asked me such question.....With all due respect....and I don`t mean to be mean here....please, do not take me wrong.....

What , if, your family females (of course dignified women) are caught up in such situation , where the same man was squeezing their cha-chas......What will you tell them to do?
again, please do not take my comments as disrespectful...like you gave my example and I told you what I will do?
On same note I will ask you what will you advise your own family females to do? Will you tell them to shut up and smile with grace? NO absolutely NOT....And I am sure you and your family ( being dignified women) will never ever surrender in front of such abuse.......

Now.....

Just look @ the wikepedia....
What I found about sheree Rehman.......

[[[[Shehrbano ``Sherry`` Rehman is a liberal politician and journalist in Pakistan. She was elected as a Pakistan People`s Party candidate as a Member of the National Assembly from Karachi.

She has been an [[[active campaigner for human rights]]] and [[[gender justice]]] and a strong opponent of Pervez Musharraf`s regime. [[A founder of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan she recently moved a Bill in the assembly calling for the repeal of the Hudood Ordinance.]]]]Sherry Rehman, a liberal Parliamentarian and outspoken critic ]]]]]]

Now, this makes me more sad, that why this woman took such extreme sexual violence just with a smile? Where is gender justice now? Where are human rights now?

Where is that outspoken critic now?
These are the questions unanswered...............and

Sadly, people here are too, quick to pass filthy comments on these burqa clads.....when everyone has his/her own choice to wear burqa or non burqa.....but, strangely, they are unable to see this filth............

PS:-I respect you as an honest and intelligent interactor......
Please, do not take my post wrong............

This is the tragedy in Pakistan, where right is considered wrong and wrong is considered right? Where people are just dead with no souls, where they have double standards...............

And why should I take sheree Rehman as a role model? She is leader.........if, leader will set such an example .....then what can I expect from poor oppressed people.....

So, in other words.....we should assume that it is the destiny of Pakistani women to be sexually abused and smile and live with it...............Trust me, I will never ever buy that.................

Those who can`t stand for themselves, how can they stand up for other`s rights? Those who don`t respect themselves, how can they respect other humans?

Regards...........

Re: # 791
Bibi ...khuda ka naam lijyayy..RAPE??? Do you even know what rape is? It is abhoric what that man did, no ifs and buts about it, but you are blaming sherry rehman that she didnt create a scene? Can you as a dignified woman imagine to be in such a situation? What would you have done? Screamed and told everyone how this man was squeezing your cha-chas, i am sorry i dont mean to be graphic here, but is that what your peroggative is that sherry rehamn should have yelled and screamed and told everyone that this man was squeezing her boobies? Have you ever lived in pakistan, do you even realize what kind of society we are, the man might have been kicked out of the party but other than that he would have been OK. The woman on the other hand would have had too submit herself in shame and obscurity for no fault of her own. We are not a society where we see rapist as a criminal only, unfortunately we also blame the victim for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is a sad reality of our pakistani society and before we harp on and encourage women to stand up when there bobbies are being squeezed in buses and bazars, we need to create a mind set in the male chauvanistic society that doesnt condemn them for being women. With all due respect I have a feeling that you have never roamed about the streets of pakistan without an armed guard or a big pathan driver at your side so your perspective is a lil tainted, reality however is grim.

All`s i am saying is that lets lay the claim where it truly lies. It wasn`t Sherry Rehman`s fault, she didnt ask for it, and these men are pigs, these are facts. I have nothing but utmost contempt for Pakistan Peoples Party and like i stated before I am no fan of Sherry Rehman as a politician or even as a loud mouthed annoying as hell woman, but I have no doubt that she was being wronged and its a bigger wrong now to blame her for it.

Fellow chowkies:

I am sorry, work has interfered with my play here. I am still quite amazed at you guys, how you can manage your jobs and also put out these humdingers on chowk. I tried to do this for 2 days spending mornings like this and my job is falling apart. I better take care of the shop or there will be no job.

So with great reluctance do I bid farewell to get a handle on the essential. But I will be back soon enough perhaps on a different board, where I would be there to butt heads with Urstruly on slavery and other sordid affairs – jo daltay hein roshni meray dilay sau chak pey.

Re: # 776

Folio - In future, please avoid insulting women by considering a genderless person a woman. Just because majority of interactors have shown their dislike for the actions and garbs worn by men and women of miscreant mindsets, the repugnant creatures(an apology for human beings) have gone nuts on Chowk for the past few months. Isn`t it obvious these 24x7 internet schizophrenics have no life ? A useless and purposeless existence! They need prayers. Probably, you should burn some lamps in your local temple than showering unnecessary compassion.

Thanks.

#786 by abu_safwaan sahib

And I am deeply disturbed by the way you`re commenting on this situation.......
Please, re read my posts carefully and with open mind. I am absolutely NOT blaming this woman sheree rehman here.......

My only stand on this situation is.....

Since, she is Pakistani PPP`s prominent leader, and plus she is a woman....if, she is openly sexually abused in public by a pervert( unfortunately who is also a leader)...LOL....leading the nation......

She should have stood up for her right and for the right of other Pakistani women.......Why she surrendered to this public display of being sexually abused/violence against women.....
And set up an example for other women to follow.................

So, this is the enocouragement for the rapists to rape innocent women openly and women should just smile b/c , if, they will stand up against it , their political position will be endangered................what kind of ridiculous arse society is this? Where women are encouraged to take every kind of filth , no matter how worst it is with smile, b/c this is their destiny, b/c this the way, they should behave like gentle women to save thewir predators.....

What kind of arse sick society is this?where even a women politician is not safe?

I am shocked for the reaction of some people who have started abusing me instead,b/c I will never buy this stupid and criminal logic.......

If, this lady called sheree rehman is not brave enough to stand up for her own right then, she should better sit home and stop leading Pakistani women......leader my foot.....

Now, my view to compare this situation with burqa clads is this that people are throwing every kind of filth on those innocent ladies with piousness....who did not do any crime.....and people are jumping back and forth for them wearing burqa................for no reason at all.

But, on the same serious note no one stood up against the action of this public display of vulgarity where a woman( a prominent leader ) was being sexually abused..............Just think about it.....

They made their life time mission to abuse burqa clads, but, they don`t care, if, this woman is being raped openly........This action is worst than a rpae...trust me.....

If, sheree rehman is innocent, then she should press charges against this man for sexually abusing her and for trying to rape her infront of the whole public..................

I consider it a very serious matter.......................

Well, if, you don`t that is your own view.....I won`t argue with you...at the end to you, your faith and to me mine..............


And the other scenario is,if, she surrendered infront of this monster and just smiled, then I will assume that she is just as pathetic as this man is....................

Why to hide such filth under carpet? Why not fight?

This is the question of the dignity of all Pakistani women................how can a woman lead any nation with such a weak personality?

Simple................I will always stand up for the right action @ right time..........

These two people involved in this scenario are so called leaders of Pakistan.................they are answerable to their behaviour................Pakistani nation has every right to know the truth....................And this is the democracy.......

PS: This kind of behaviour is condemnable everywhere in the world...no matter which society....regardless of any religion.............only, if, we think about it..................

Here, I close my case.....................rest assured I am not here to insult anyone....I am here to have an equal fairness for everyone..............no matter burqa clads or sheree rehman..........................

Take care and regards

Re: # 789abu-safwaan
hahahah.


i have been to their``kaaba`` baitul fatuh`` in morden london.

i tell you what kind of logic Qadiyaani use to ``prove`` their point of view.

Rule 1.

i am always right.

Rule 2

If i am ever wrong ,see the Rule one please

Re: # 788

Yarr aapkoo sharam aanii chahyayy iss tarahh kii aqal mandana batein kartayy hoayy. Sattar bhai kehh rahhay hein kayy mirza sahab nabii hein, orr kya suboot chahyayy? Ajeeb shakkii mizajj log hein aap.

Re: # 784sattar2

[One of these members (philosopher) earlier commented that he did not think any Quranic verse supported continuation of prophethood. I asked if he could point to any verse that supported end of prophethood. He ridiculed me, while dropping the issue altogether. What should one make of this?]

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Mr sattar,wow what a logic you are using here.it wasnt me who claim something it was you who claimed the continuation of prophethood on the basis of Quran.

Can you show me even one unequivocal verse of the glorious Quran which verifies the your claim or for that matter the prophethood of your beloved prophet mirza ghulam ahmed?

In support of the views of muslims there is the whole Quran.One verse can be manipulated to exploite the simple audience but whole Quran can not be used in the same manner.

I know what crap you are gonna come up with.its the the ``new`` meanings of ``seal`` or ``khatam`` that you qadiyanis twist in your favour.deriving new meanings from ``khatam``is an exercise in futility.


the literal meanings of the word is irrelevent unless you see the common usage of that word in the where it was used.why didnt any ``sahaabi`` or prophet[pbuh] himself or Quran for that matter predict a ``naaya naweela prophet`` for the people of Rabwaa district sargodha punjab pakistan???????????

Re: # 729PM sahib

Lets postpone our discussion until next week. I have all the points in mind that you have raised. I am busy right now. We will discuss it after Tuesday 29th may 2007.These issues require further debate in multi-dimensional way.

Regards

On a seperate note, i am deeply disturbed at the insinuation that if some jack-ass grabbed the boobies of Sherry Rehman, than some how she asked for it! What kind of ridiculous ass argument is that? A wrong is a wrong is a wrong. Whether she wears a burqa or a bikini, how does it make it OK to violate women? This is utterly stupid. Prophet (PBUH) said that always stand with the one who is oppresssed against the oppressors even if the oppressor is your own brother. I have no love lost for sherry and his bank-defaulter husband or their party but to actually blame sherry rehman, who is the obvious victim in this scenario, is like our bright and sensitive General Musharaf saying that Women get raped in pakistan just so they can get canadian citizenship. Allah Allah kya azeem qayalatt hein apni qaum kii maaoon baytiyoon kay barayy mein.

Islam doesn`t allow or justifies the violation of women just because they werent properly covered. And for the millionth time, please dont sell this Hafsa and Lal masjid fiasco as some kind of a righteous, spiritual awakening that ghazi bretheren have had. This issue is about there rozi roti and the real estate of the brothers, the day real estate is gifted to them, all the calls for shariah and morality will die its natural death. Are we really seeing something here that Maulana Taqi usmani, Dr. Israr Ahmed, Anjuman Madarisatul Arabia and numerous other scholars whose credibility, knowledge and PAST is just a tad bit flashier than the cohorts of Lal Masjid? I think zee and urstruly are giving themselves a lil more credit than is duly warranted.

Re: # 783

Quran is the proof of Muhammad (PBUH), i thought you guys believed in that. But I guess thats a public persona of qadiyaniyat, in cyber space however ruless change on a dime and the dispicable hatred that you posses for our Prophet (PBUH) comes out, all guns blazing. I am presenting to you Quran which is a miracle, it has scientific information that was way ahead of its time, and that is the reason that 34000 Americans majority of whom are college grads come within the folds of Islam every year. I am asking you to present a proof of your prophet if not on the same level as Quran than show something, anything, i am sure you guys just didnt take his word for it right? Please tell me you didnt!

Your Prophet has a problem of credibility. First he claimed to be a prophet and had all kinds of non-sensical orders supposedly from Allah when in fact they were from his real boss, Britian. When he had his ass handed to him at this insanity he said, oh wait i was mistaken i am actually, Ibne-mariam, that didnt stick for obvious reasons, then he said OK, can i at least be Imam Mehdi? No you can`t dear sir! Umm how about a Mujadid, please, pretty please??!! At this point can you blame the ummah for thinking that this guy was a con-artist!

I have no problem you believing in whatever, its when you start propogating your insanities without any proof than as much as you dislike it, we will ask questions. Forget about whether you`ll be able to win me over or not, you can label me stubborn or watever, how about the billions of human beings that are not as hard headed as i am and would love to be saved from the ``TRUTH`` that is Qadiyaniyat. How about for them you sprinkle some Qadiyani Wisdom. But you won`t cause wisdom, proof are all terms that are oxy-moron to Qadiyaniyat. i have heard everything from you except for some proof of your beloved prophet. Dont do it for me sattar, do it for the kids, they`ll be forever greatful.