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What Next After Karachi’s Carnage?

Pervez Hoodbhoy May 16, 2007

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#992 Posted by ZahraJ on May 27, 2007 6:46:18 pm
ZeenaTania -

I am really disappointed to read the following by you.

[I do not have any husband.]

I am sure he would not be happy to read this. Very sad.



Islamic Laws Regarding Rights & Obligations of Husband & Wife

Islam has put great stress on the relationship of husband and wife. It has clearly laid down the respective rights and obligations to avoid confusion and complication in this regard.

The basis of husband-wife relationship is love and compassion. In this regard the Quran states:

``And among His signs is this that He has created mates from among yourselves, that you may live in comfort with them, and he has put love and compassion among you (husband and wife). Surely in that are signs for those who think`` (30 : 21).

The role of husband normatively revolves round the principle that it is his solemn duty to Allah to treat his wife with kindness, honour and patience, to keep her honourably or free her from marital bond honourably, and to cause her no harm or grief (Qur’an, 2 : 229-32 and 4 :19). The wife’s position has been explained in the Qur’an by saying that : -

``Women have similar rights over men as men have over women`` (2 : 228).

The husband in Islamic law is under obligation to maintain her wife. Maintenance includes the wife’s right to lodging, clothing, nourishing, care and well being. The wife has a right to enjoy all these things according to her status and according to capacity of her husband.

The wife, however; loses her right of maintenance, according to the unanimous opinion of the Muslim jurists, in case of Nushuz, that is her hatred or defiance of husband or her attraction to another person.

In case of husband’s recalcitrance to maintain wife, the law enforcement agencies are required to enforce maintenance. The majority of Muslim jurists also allow the wife the right to seek divorce in such a case. If she wishes so, the court must comply with her request and grant her the divorce.

The wife has also the right to receive dower from the husband at the time or in consequence of marriage. The dower is a gift of husband to his wife. This symbolises an assurance of economic security from the husband towards wife. The amount can be big or small depending on mutual agreement and economic condition of the two parties. This is, however; no price of sexual enjoyment. This can not be so because sexual enjoyment is not a one-sided affair. (Ref: The Family Structure in Islam, Chapter 3, by Hammudah Abdul Ati, American Trust Publications).

The main obligation of the wife as a partner in a marital relationship is to contribute to the success and blissfulness of the marriage as much as possible. She should be attentive to the comfort and well being of her mate. The Quran mentions good wife as ``comfort of eyes`` (25 : 74).

The husband has been stated by scholars as the head of the family in Islamic family system ( infact, Qur’an itself has declared him Qayyim, which stands for manager, unit head, provider and protecter). It is the duty of all family members to obey him in lawful matters. However; Islam has enjoined on all Muslims to manage their affairs (which includes family affairs) by mutual consultation. However; in case of disagreement, the head of the family should be obeyed.

Husband alone has the right of sexual intimacy with wife. The wife must not allow any other person to have access to that which is exclusively the husband’s right. Wife has similar right in this regard.

Islam has given the correct principles and instructions regarding rights and obligations of husband and principles, if obeyed in true spirit, would ensure and social life instructions wife. These principles, if obeyed in true spirit, would ensure better family and social life.

http://www.jamaat.org/islam/husband&wife.html
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#991 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 6:43:29 pm
ZahraJ sahiba #990 and all abusive posts....

Why does it matter to you who I am? I am Razia/Nadia/Shazia/Tania/Sobia/farzana/Samina/parvenn or naseern......blah,blah

Does it matter? You have completely lost it, my stranger sista
Your posts do not make any sense at all.

Anyway, you are showing your shallowness and ofcourse high class for abusing me with personal insults/personal attacks for having my own opinions about different articles on front page......just think about it....

And those who resort to personal abuse and personal attacks on those who disagree with them just show their brought ups and their back grounds..........

Those who resort to personal abuse/insults for others for having their own different views are just weak personalities...and you have provided me with this proof over and over again.....How low you can stoop to?

And sweet sista...
It is absolutely not your fault, it is the way your genetic makeup is....

You have had been attacking my personal life non stop in each and every board and trying your best to give me the vilest abuse possible........

You rather than discussing the actual topic @ hand and your own personal views on the current topics......always come and start personal attacks on me for holding my own views.........? Why?

I wish I could figure out why?

And this is called cyber harrassement........Just bibi

Get a life and focus on your friends.....

I only feel sympathy for you for personally insulting me , rather than discussing topic @ hand and your own views......

Nothing more to say....I am done with you....

May God(Almighty) bless you and teach you some right manners....

Anyway, let me remind you again...Alright I am schizophrenic....I am the worst person on chowk, I am low class, I am retarded, I am a liar.....Happy....

What`s the point of coming again and again and hurling abuse for me?

Bibi
Even,if, you try your best and abuse me 24/7(which you have had been doing), I will never ever lose control and I will never stoop to low level.....you know why?B/c I am from a very low class family......case closed.

All the best.


it has been years - say more about ourselves than they do about you. And if you have visited the old ``haunt`` lately which I think you may have, it is more of the same, the attack on the personal life rather than discussion of views.

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#990 Posted by ZahraJ on May 27, 2007 5:58:52 pm
Zeena Sweetie - My post was addressed to Tania. I thought you were not Tania. Why do you lie? It ain`t gonna take you to eh`dina`siratul` mustaqeem. It won`t baby! It won`t.

Hopefully, your newly acquired religion`s god will be with you. Amen!
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#989 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 5:50:04 pm
#983 zahraJ sahiba

My post # 985 is in reply to your post # 983.....

Besides zahraJ begum sahiba

Honestly,I have never ever read your I-logs. And also I have never ever read the stuff that your post on front page, except fo rthe abuse you always hurl for me(God knows why?)

I am not interested in your i-logs, I am not interested in your fron tpage posts, I am not interested who you interact with , I am not interested who you are? I am not interested who is your friend or enemy?
I am not interested in interacting with you.....

I am not interested in discussing about you with other people.
We both are strangers for each other.....I do not consider you my friend and I do not consider you my enemy.....

You and I are from two different worlds....with absolutely different mind sets....
Just one request more.....Please, do not waste your precious time on a schizophrenic like me. Do not waste your time on a low class punjabi/pushtoon/urdu speaking like me.

Do not waste your time in focusing on me.....Just discuss your important issues with your like minded people.............

I do not have any husband....just a make believe...so what`s the point of all these abusive posts towards me?

Just get a life......

I wish you a happy and serene life other than wasting on me.

Thanks
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#988 Posted by ZahraJ on May 27, 2007 5:49:29 pm
What is ADD? Another illness.

``A syndrome of disordered learning and disruptive behavior that is not caused by any serious underlying physical or mental disorder and that has several subtypes characterized primarily by symptoms of inattentiveness or primarily by symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsive behavior (as speaking out of turn) or by the significant expression of all three -- abbreviation ADD.``

What is Comprehension?

``The act or action of grasping with the intellect : UNDERSTANDING``

www.webster.com
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#987 Posted by ZahraJ on May 27, 2007 5:45:46 pm
What is Schizophrenia? It`s not an abuse. It`s an illness.

1. a psychotic disorder characterized by loss of contact with the environment, by noticeable deterioration in the level of functioning in everyday life, and by disintegration of personality expressed as disorder of feeling, thought (as delusions), perception (as hallucinations), and behavior.

2. contradictory or antagonistic qualities or attitudes
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#986 Posted by ZahraJ on May 27, 2007 5:43:06 pm
#985 - Tania Uwais - Thank you proving your symptoms of schizophrenia. Good Luck!
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#985 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 5:27:41 pm
#988 zahraJ sahiba

I am not tania or anyone else......stop twisting my posts.....Do you know me?absolutely NOT...

And we are not here to associate with eachother..And that`s not my intent. Again, I have never ever abused a pagal lady like you. You are the one who is always ready to personally attack me.

You are the one digging in to my personal information......and that`s cyber harrassement...
You called me with the vilest gaalis possible....

Even then I am and I was civil with you. That`s your class.

Well, I agree that you`re very high class lady and I am low class street urchin...blh, blah..

My whole point is, why are you personally attacking me? Why are you cyber harrassing me?
Why are you abusing me?

I am friend or enenmy with zeemax....does that matter? And that`s my own choice to be friends with anyone with.....

I am sorry, sweet sista you do not make any sense to me......

How many times do I have to remind you , I am not the topic of this article?

In all other articles that you mentioned......I challenge you to ask chowk staff to compare your posts and my posts......I never ever provoked any kind of abuse for you or for anyone else.

Even in this article, I have been requesting you politely to stop this abuse.....But, your obsession fo rme is unbelievable.......

Well, carry on with your gaali gaaloch for me.....I will always be civil....I do not wish to involve in any kind of interactions with you.......

To you, your belief and to my mine......

Again, just one request(I know it is hard for you, sista).....please, try to avoid personal attacks and cyber abuse on me..or just minimise to one post per article......

When you come with same abuse again and again...you sound boring......

Anyway......last words.....

LEAVE ME ALONE.......PUT ME IN YOUR IGNORE LIST.

thanks
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#984 Posted by DrDr on May 27, 2007 4:54:25 pm
mr filosofer age of puberty 4 american girls is around 10 years - so u think a 4th or 5th grader shud be free 2 marry?
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#983 Posted by ZahraJ on May 27, 2007 4:27:00 pm
Dear TaniaU various posts (#976 - #980)-

First and foremost, assalama`o`alaikum!

I hope you are enjoying the hot weather on the east coast. It has been simply beautiful.

I think we have gotten on a wrong foot for quite sometime. I understand we all have our sensitivities, likes and dislikes. I have nothing personal against you since I am not interested in engaging and interacting with a person of your type. We are on a completely different wavelength. I found it real offensive and obnoxious when you started being personal, insulting and offensive starting from the ``Zillae` Huma Board`` and taking your anger and rudeness to ``Girls Gone Wild`` and so forth. You seem to forget all the disparaging remarks and harrasing actions by your own good self and start crying wolf. That`s a ``schizophrenic`` action.

I`ve never read any of your posts till I ran into a few where I found you plagiarizing stuff from my ilogs and posts. I understand that your intent was not bad, you liked my style and prose and started incorporating them in your interacts. I am fine with that. After all, being part of the same ummah (unfortunatey or fortunately) we need to leverage each other.

Being an adult, we do expect that you will behave in a responsible way vs. cursing everyone who expresses his or her views on Lal Masjid incident or anything to do with religion. Many of us want Muslims to evolve in a progressive and civil direction. Our recent past has been nothing but embarassing. So, change is necessary. You have no right to post disparaging remarks about other men and women who express their opinion on religion, culture and personal likes and dislikes. That`s simply out of line. And you have been on that track for over a few months. You have not been on any sirut`ul`mustaqeem for the past few months or so. If you thougt you were, then I suggest you go back and renew your faith in Islam. It does not seem that you are a born Muslim. It`s ok to move in an out, but that can impact your wellbeing and emotional health.

It`s not my style to get into petty altercations since I do not have the luxury of time and interest. I alongwith several others in the readership find it very amusing that you have chosen ``Zahid, The Rindae` Mazhub aka Zeemax`` as your spiritual guide. Since you have been promoting your happily married status on Chowk, we were concerned on the time and energy you`ve been spending on posing religious questions to a rindae` muzhab. We hope you are married to a Muslim male and not to a Pagan. Why don`t you ask your husband about the religion and subsequent questions? Probably, you should both go and attend Farhat Hashmi`s sessions or Lal Masjid`s symposiums or an ICNA/ISNA program to gain a better understanding of your religion. Or simply read the Quraan in depth. You insult Islam when you pose religious questions to a cheap pervert like rindae` mazhub. Obviously, being a free person, it`s your entitlement to have a tete-tete with whomever you wish to. But by doing so, you are delivering a wrong message to the readership. We just wanted to make sure that you don`t jeopardize your marital life over a despicable creature who has been posting unstable posts on Chowk for many months and using you for his dirty purposes.

Last but not least, you have been posting disparaging remarks towards different sects among the Muslims. Is this your definition of Sirat`ul`Mustaqeem? Are you even a Muslim?

Since you have taken upon yourself to promote the preachings of your newly acquired religion, it`s important that you are well versed in the underlying theme and mantra. You have been advised by many to change your abusive words and harassing actions towards others if you truly want to represent the religion of your choice. It may be a huge struggle for you to change your direction and habits, but that jehad is a worthy effort.

Whenever you get a chance, do explore Surah Hujraat. You can learn a lot about improving your interactions and communication skills.

Let`s agree to disagree and not misuse this forum. I hope I have made myself clear. I am not in the habit of repeating and I won`t. I guess I ended up writing this long one after running into ``ehdin`a`siratul mustaqeem`` - a quote I really care for.

Have a pleasant weekend.

PS: You don`t owe me any response. So, please save yourself the effort.

Thanks.
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#982 Posted by hamidm2 on May 27, 2007 3:30:37 pm
Re: # 981

falsafee,

........ that`s exactly what i said .. didn`t i ?......... in islam the age of consent is 11 or 12 because most girls reach puberty by then ........... now, how many 11 year olds do you know who `want` to marry a 50 year old man ?
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#981 Posted by philosopher on May 27, 2007 1:26:26 pm
Re: # 979hamid mirzai

At least once, try to use your ``aaklauta`` brain cell to understand what i said.once a gal has reached puberty after that she is indepedent,she can marry if she wants,its not that after reaching puberty she could be forced to marry.
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#980 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 1:08:03 pm


God(Almighty), please show us the right pathway to find our destiny which leads us towards you.

In reply to this article(which is an attempt to humiliate Islam in the most derogatory way possible and in reply to those who are busy night and day abusing me and calling me the worst names possible for disagreeing with them.



May God(Almighty) give you peace of mind to avoid verbal abuse that you utter for No reason. May God(Almighty) give you a sound mind to reason for your unreasonable online behaviour.

Ameen.
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#979 Posted by hamidm2 on May 27, 2007 12:42:36 pm
Re: # 972

falsafee,

.... so you think the age of consent is at puberty ?............ mashallah !
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#978 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 10:50:37 am
Prayers from Allah(God)
Please, God(Almighty) give us a serene mind to follow your pathway, and the right pathway...

Not the pathway of those who use foul language.....Hypocrites are those who use foul language.

Ameen.
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#977 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 10:26:46 am
Chowk Staff

Please, go through all my posts in this article and read, if, I have abused or personally attacked this respectable lady, called ZahraJ.

I did not even interact with ZahraJ.

Now read ZahraJ`s all abusive posts towards me.............and compare who is abusing whom here? who is personally attacking whom here?

ZahraJ has had been constantly uttering the worst abuse possible for me.

Please, apply your interact guidelines here on this board. I am waiting for your fair decision.

Regards.
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