What Next After Karachi’s Carnage?

#1922 viqram sahib
Why don`t you go ahead and suggest some problem solving strategy? You are exactly doing the samething as you are suggesting others to do....

Why don`t you be the first one to chalk out our weak points and their solutions?....

Thanks

Re: # 1023

I am doing the same thing as I suggest others to do? And how many articles have
you read by me lamenting the state of Pak society, berating the mullah, lambasting
the HEC, etc.?

OK, let us say the law enforcement personnel surround Lal Masjid. No one is let in, or out. Utilities (electricity, water, gas) are all disconnected.

As the situation becomes desperate, some cohorts of the LM brigade somewhere respond with a suicide bombing.

What should be done next?

Should the commandos be sent in?

How should the fallout (reaction of irate families of the burqa clad regiment, and their supporters) in Punjab and NWFP be handled?

Should the army be sent in?

Would the army be willing to deploy and fight to put down the insurrection? What if it
refuses, imposes martial law, and a new military government takes over?

Would the good professor along with his hordes of secular enlightened brigade be
willing to pick up Kalashnikovs and give a battle?

I am a dumb old engineer who would like to see the A-Z of a proposed solution by
the good professor, or his supporters, to this deplorable situation (which now seems to
be spreading to the urban centers). Simply complaining, whining, name calling doesn`t
do a damn thing.

All kinds of experts, extremists, secularists, pecularists, male, female (with or without
burqa) are encouraged to take a shot.

Ready, steady g....

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Zeemax - I simply do not have any desire to read sanctimonious ramblings by a narrowminded extremist. The article was quoted in a certain context. And I ain`t wasting my time to make you comprehend something that you are not cut out to grasp. To each his own.

By the way, it`s in poor taste to use your aunty`s name to add spice to your bland posts. Be a man!!!

Try changing your communication style and approach and you may have better luck with your relationships and attitude.

Good luck :)

#1018 by zeemax on May 28, 2007 8:19am PT


Unfortunately it isn`t a pizza. It only comes with one set of toppings.


Islam is a pepperoni pizza...


yum...

#969 by ZahraJ,

Thanks for the article. For this time only I won`t call you aunty shamim nor refer you to Dr. Matlock`s clinic because I feel like being a nice guy today. However, I`ll still call you plain stupid.

The article you reproduce says:

To bring an end to Islamophobia, we must employ a holistic approach that treats the core of the disease. It will not suffice to merely suppress the symptoms. It is imperative to adopt new Islamic teachings

First, it is only some of the economic migrants in Western societies who are scared of Islamophobia. People in such category are a miniscule fraction of the Muslims who live in Islamic countries, and the latter don`t give a damn about Islamophobia as it doesn`t affect their circumstances or future in any major way, only that of the economic migrants.

Secondly, there are two ways to counter the Islamophobic societal pressure for the migrants. One is to hold one`s head high and assert one`s Muslimness (as most do in Europe), and the other is to be apologetic and say Islam is wrong from the outset and a `disease` and needs to be changed (as a few in USA etc may do). But in that case, for the people in this situation, why have Islam at all to completely deflect Islamophobia? Why, instead, insist on changing Islam for everyone who think it is fine as it is?

The problem is, everyone wants to remain with the mainstream Muslim identity, while condemn it at the same time. I have never understood why that is. After all they don`t kill apostates in USA or even Europe. What`re they afraid of?

Secondly, Islam is not available a`la carte. If it was a pizza, you could keep the benign crust (which are the rituals) and pick and choose your favourite toppings from amongst the ones available (which are all its other elements), or invent your own toppings, to be adopted as deemed politically correct at any given time and place.

Unfortunately it isn`t a pizza. It only comes with one set of toppings. Any attempt to redefine Islam is defeated sooner or later, regardless of how strong the forces advocating the same.

If you want to make a new Islam, be my guest. But then don`t call it Islam nor call yourself a Muslim. Call it EnlightenedIsm or something like that.

However before doing that, remember many other people much bigger than you or the author of this article have tried over the centuries and failed. If Akbar the Great with his Din-e Ilahi based on contemporary reason and ethical teachings common to all religions failed in his own empire, as did the great Mamoon-Ur-Rashid with his highly cerebral Mut`azili version, I don`t see how you or anyone else will succeed in doing the same.

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I am offering an official truce with my sista(ZahraJ) on this board for good.

Please, notice....

Zahra(sista)

We can also invite hoodboy and discuss this life and death issue over the table.....

May be all four of us can settle down the current crisis in pakistan.....
Anyway, I seriously wish to tell you...I have nothing against you....

If, you wish to be my friend,you are most welcome....If, you wish to be my enemy, you are most welcome.....

Whatever you wish to do...just tell me..I`ll be waiting for your decision..

#1011 philosopher

You`ll have your pop corns and enjoy wrestling between Zahra and me.....hahah

ZahraJ(sweet sista)

I told you to leave me alone..You did not.

Now, that I offered you a truce from the core of my heart....you declined.....

Yes, I know you and I are not like minded,but, then hey, we both can sort out a middle way..means let`s settle down in molly pitcher along with philosopher , how can I please you, my sweet sista?

I honestly wish to meet you now.....

Don`t worry about my family...My family won`t mind me meeting with a sista....

Alright, from now on I call you my sista....I will always respect your presence, I will always agree to disagree or agree to agree with you......

I apologize,if, I cause you any emotional or mental anguish.....I really do.....

ZeenaTania - Thank you for your kind invite, but I will have to decline the offer. As I had alluded earlier, we are not on the same wavelength so I would rather have us go our own ways. That should not stop you from enjoying a nice meal with your family. I am sure they`ll be happy to have you 100% with them.

Take Care

Re: # 1010, Dear ZahraJ,

This is not fair on your part to decline sis Zeena`s invitation. Particularly when she has offered to pay the bill and has allowed `you to settle down your score with a... LOL`. Better enough, her fellow-cypher has refused to save her from this one way show of strength. Give a second thought and grab the offer.

Samar

#1006 philosopher jii
Honestly, that would be fun....

You, me and Sista(ZahraJ) meeting for a lunch/dinner.....

I just wish to see,if, my sweet sista(zahraJ) can abuse me the same face to face or not.......

Re: # 1009zeena

what would i get from it? i mean if you gals are like ``woman to woman``what would i be doing there?