Pervez Hoodbhoy May 16, 2007
#873 Posted by Urstruly on May 25, 2007 12:37:17 pm
Re: # 872
I said, not to make an issue of the prologue part of my post, since everybody knows about these issues and how Islam differs on them from Quadiatniyat. So my question still remains.
I said, not to make an issue of the prologue part of my post, since everybody knows about these issues and how Islam differs on them from Quadiatniyat. So my question still remains.
#869 Posted by Urstruly on May 25, 2007 11:50:16 am
Sattar
I have an inquiry, just for the sake of educating myself. Every Prophet of God has predicted the coming of the next Prophet that would proceed after him and every one of them predicted the coming of the last Prophet i.e. Holy Prophet (pbuh). While Bible named him as Paraclete (pbuh) which is Latin equivalent of Ahmad (pbuh), the Talmudic Traditions (Old Testament) detailed his appearnce to such extent as having a large mole between his shoulders. Interestingly enough, this tradition of Prophets informing their adherents about the coming Prophets stops at Holy Prophet (pbuh). But lets not make it an issue here. I just want to know what has Mirza Sahib predicetd about the next prophet that will (or have) proceed him. Are there any special qualities he would possess so that we would be able to identify him?
#870 Posted by hamidm2 on May 25, 2007 11:57:57 am
Re: # 869
urstruly,
.......... i am heeeeeeeeeeeeer !
urstruly,
.......... i am heeeeeeeeeeeeer !
#871 Posted by Urstruly on May 25, 2007 12:01:20 pm
Re: # 870
Ok, but I will check. You better be bleached; because that was the prediction by Lucifer himself.
Ok, but I will check. You better be bleached; because that was the prediction by Lucifer himself.
#868 Posted by tahmed32 on May 25, 2007 11:48:57 am
hamidm: far be it for me to separate the ahmedi from his prophet, the jamaatiya from his maulvi, the pir-worshipper from his pir, the king-worshipper from his king, sheep from his shepherd, the good ole boy from his bar stool. :-)
#866 Posted by sattar2 on May 25, 2007 11:37:41 am
zeemax (#865),
No, he can stay with the religion of Allah, Quran, and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). However, you and your ullema may still pass legislation and declare him too a non-Muslim.
Hey, it worked the first time around. And look at the progress ummah has made since then! (grin)
#867 Posted by hamidm2 on May 25, 2007 11:42:44 am
Re: # 866
tahmed,
...... i really feel bad for you ....... i kept on telling you that you that there is no such thing as a moderate and rational islam - now you are out there with me and sattar mian ........ at least he has his own masjid, and i have my own bar - but where will you go ? ........
tahmed,
...... i really feel bad for you ....... i kept on telling you that you that there is no such thing as a moderate and rational islam - now you are out there with me and sattar mian ........ at least he has his own masjid, and i have my own bar - but where will you go ? ........
#865 Posted by zeemax on May 25, 2007 11:30:13 am
#863 by sattar2,
So I guess we`ve got to let him start yet another new religion ... no one else wants him ... hamidm2 is right ... :)
So I guess we`ve got to let him start yet another new religion ... no one else wants him ... hamidm2 is right ... :)
#864 Posted by zeemax on May 25, 2007 11:11:26 am
Hamidm,
trading daughters and incenstous consanguinity for political gain
Yeah just like you advertise yours on Chowk and their ice cream habits ... LoL :)
trading daughters and incenstous consanguinity for political gain
Yeah just like you advertise yours on Chowk and their ice cream habits ... LoL :)
#863 Posted by sattar2 on May 25, 2007 11:00:15 am
abu #850,
This “proof” thing works both ways … sometimes against you if you are not careful.
So before getting too excited, provide proof of Islam that would be acceptable to most people. Unless you do that, you are really a bad Muslim. So no banana for you! This time zeemax gets your banana.
zeemax (#855), that was a low-blow. No, we don’t want him either. He would bore us to death by never-ending lectures on western democracies and his bumper-sticker, bland, one-line thoughts. No, thank you. For now, he gets to be one of you …
#861 Posted by tahmed32 on May 25, 2007 10:44:45 am
#857 You say you dont support kingships - then reflect upon the question I have for you in #859 and tell me what I am missing.
An illiterate peasants son raised and brainwashed in a madrassah has an excuse for being fooled on such simple points - you, as an educated adult man, have no right to be so easily fooled!!
An illiterate peasants son raised and brainwashed in a madrassah has an excuse for being fooled on such simple points - you, as an educated adult man, have no right to be so easily fooled!!
#876 Posted by abu_safwaan on May 25, 2007 1:14:26 pm
Re: # 861
Oh buzurgo are u trying to be dishonest and a simpleton on purpose. I am categgorical about my insistance that Sharia should be implemented if the jumhoor, the majority of the country wants. Do i really have to tell you that i am advocating a shura of the elders in this day and age, those were different times obviosuly. I was giving you guys unearned credit, that maybe you`ll be able to read between the lines. My point about narrating the story Abdu-Rehamn Bin auf was to stress the fact that Omer RAW went far and beyond above the call of the duty to make sure that no favoritism to family was shown. But you ran with something absurd.
Oh buzurgo are u trying to be dishonest and a simpleton on purpose. I am categgorical about my insistance that Sharia should be implemented if the jumhoor, the majority of the country wants. Do i really have to tell you that i am advocating a shura of the elders in this day and age, those were different times obviosuly. I was giving you guys unearned credit, that maybe you`ll be able to read between the lines. My point about narrating the story Abdu-Rehamn Bin auf was to stress the fact that Omer RAW went far and beyond above the call of the duty to make sure that no favoritism to family was shown. But you ran with something absurd.
#862 Posted by hamidm2 on May 25, 2007 10:58:32 am
Re: # 861
........ is it just a coincidence that like his predecessor umar bin khattab was also a father-in -law of the prophet (pbuh)? ......... this practice of trading daughters and incenstous consanguinity for political gain is still common in the muslim world - the chaudaries of gujarat are carying on this great tradition in pakistan ..........
........ is it just a coincidence that like his predecessor umar bin khattab was also a father-in -law of the prophet (pbuh)? ......... this practice of trading daughters and incenstous consanguinity for political gain is still common in the muslim world - the chaudaries of gujarat are carying on this great tradition in pakistan ..........
#877 Posted by abu_safwaan on May 25, 2007 1:17:38 pm
Re: # 862
Abbay Hamid Masih, bhangi kii nasal, choorayy orr nurse kii aulad, like i said dont interfere in Islamic Matters, it doesnt concern u. Go save ur church from pedophiles. Besdies isnt it time to collect from the boys who were sharing your dauhters ``Icer cream``
Abbay Hamid Masih, bhangi kii nasal, choorayy orr nurse kii aulad, like i said dont interfere in Islamic Matters, it doesnt concern u. Go save ur church from pedophiles. Besdies isnt it time to collect from the boys who were sharing your dauhters ``Icer cream``
#880 Posted by hamidm2 on May 25, 2007 1:45:28 pm
Re: # 877
abu sufwaan,
........ you are a fine one to talk ! .........you, who slept around with all sorts of women and refused to recognize your illegitimate son, ziyad ibn abihi ........ shame on you
abu sufwaan,
........ you are a fine one to talk ! .........you, who slept around with all sorts of women and refused to recognize your illegitimate son, ziyad ibn abihi ........ shame on you
#882 Posted by abu_safwaan on May 25, 2007 1:57:34 pm
Re: # 880
still wouldnt touch your daughter`s ``Ice Cream`` with a 10 foot pole
still wouldnt touch your daughter`s ``Ice Cream`` with a 10 foot pole








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