What Next After Karachi’s Carnage?

capt clueless: the MQM is doing it`s thing at the paki army`s behest...no two ways about it..

#8 by RitaVeda,

``MQM is a representative party of more than 15 million Urdu-speaking people of Pakistan.``

You`re being a bit generous with figures here. You mean that out of the total Urban Sindh population including Karachi of about 23 million, 15 million (or 65%) are Urdu Speaking? And on top of that 100% of them are represented by MQM?

Urdu speaking population is in fact no more than 11-12 million, with the majority supporting Jamaat-e-Islami and the late Shah Ahmed Noorani`s (who was urdu speaking) Jamiat -e- Ulema-e-Pakistan. This is reflected in the Sindh assembly where MQM holds just 39 seats out of 168.

MQM originated as a student level party of street thugs which was manufactured by secret services in Zia`s time to finish off Pakistan People`s Party in Sindh. As their handler, the master manipulator Jam Sadiq Ali (disgruntled ex-PPP) was absolved of 9 murders of Pir Pagara`s Hurs killed execution-style tied to trees, and brought back from exile and installed as Chief Minister of Sindh. Luckily he died of cirrhosis of the liver by drinking whiskey all day long before he could finish the job, but he did enough damage in practically handing over all of Karachi`s municipal bodies, and the resultant revenues, to MQM during his tenure which they used to spread thuggery, murder and extortion.

After Jam`s death, the party got out of control and turned on the military itself and abducted and killed an Army Major. Then, they became a target by the army which sent in Rangers, killed hundreds of them in encounters or extra-judicially, split the party in two, and forced the leadership to flee the country. However it managed to survive and got in bed with the military again when it needed them in 2002.

As it stands now, the party still consists of either professional criminals, or angry young men, students etc who oppose the jobs quota system for Rural Sindhis, with few respectable urdu speaking people. Most of their votes from that category come through coercion, if at all. This party does not have any agenda other than money and power through blackmailing all Federal Governments.

FACTSHEET ON MQM

Hope above is instructive.

I think Zeemax is living in fool`s paradise. FYI, Sindh has more than 40 million population out of which at least one fourth are native speakers of Urdu. Also nearly 2.5 million Urdu speakers live in urban Punjab (Actual figures are around 4 million but these additional 1
.5 million r Rohtakis and similar people which we don`t consider as Urdu ones. Only people from Gurgaon, Panipat, Palwal, Sonipat n to some extent Karnal of Haryana r real Urdu speakers) and Islamabad also has sizeable Urdu speaking population.Secondly we don`t support Jamaat or Noorani group any further.

Urdu speakers stopped supporting Jamaat after the death of Maududi and the ultimate take over of this party by punjaybis and pashtuns. Similarly Noorani group has very minute support. MQM still holds the largest vote bank but this party has done nothing good for us. Perhaps the Urdu speakers of Pakistan have to discard this party n unite to fight for the ultimate goal. Yup the ultimate goal for us is............ I think anyone can guess it.

#19 imperio ``Perhaps the Urdu speakers of Pakistan have to discard this party n unite to fight for the ultimate goal.``

this is what i just posted on another board concerning your ``ultimate goal``, which obviously is to form a break-away city-state:

dont think you will achieve anything by making karachi a mohajir-city:

1. the same fascism that mqm is inflicting on non-mohajirs in karachi today will be applied to mohajirs. by attacking those calling for the rule of law and siding with an individual who is obsessed with staying in power by hook or by crook, mqm leadership has demonstrated a complete lack of vision or respect for democratic traditions.

2. karachi will be reduced to an enclave, and incur losses even greater than the ones resulting from mqm`s lawlessness. pakistanis will simply switch to gwadur as their port city, and karachi will lose its entire hinterland. it will be overshadowed by mumbai to the east, dubai and (with time) gwadur to the west.

3. karachiites trying to come to pakistan will require visas, and will lose the free access they have to settle wherever they like (as, per HEs post, more and more mohajirs have done in recent years in lahore and pindi in the face of political turmoil brought about by mqm in recent years).

4. pakistan on the other hand will retain its strategic position - adjoining one of india`s richest provinces, the panjab, and sitting at the cross-roads between south asia, central asia, china and the middle east.

mqm would have been much better off if it had truly acted like the nation-wide party it had been seeking to become the past 15 years, and instead of merely jumping to help out a ``fellow muhajir`` had advised musharraf to drop his obsession with clinging to power and permit proper elections next year. it could then have called for greater devolution of state functions to local governments, and had the best of both worlds. but all that the mqm leadership seems capable of seeing is somehow becoming the chief ghoondas of karachi where no one can enter without mqm permission.

Re: # 18

Zee Sahib

This factsheet or link on Mqm that u have most generously provided is the usual piece bandied around by all anti-mqm people. This is how FAS describes itself:

{The Federation of American Scientists (FAS) was formed in 1945 by atomic scientists from the Manhattan Project who felt that scientists, engineers and other innovators had an ethical obligation to bring their knowledge and experience to bear on critical national decisions, especially pertaining to the technology they unleashed - the Atomic Bomb.

Endorsed by 67 Nobel Laureates in chemistry, economics, medicine and physics, FAS addresses a broad spectrum of issues in carrying out its mission to promote humanitarian uses of science and technology. FAS members build on an honorable history of insisting that rational, evidence-based arguments be heard.

Today, FAS continues its exemplary 60-year record of achieving meaningful results in strategic security with research and education projects in nuclear arms control and global security; conventional arms transfers; proliferation of weapons of mass destruction; information technology for human health; and government information policy.

In recent years, the mission of FAS has expanded to include our country’s critical challenges in housing, energy and education.

The Housing Technology Project combines the talents of engineers, energy efficiency specialists and other experts in the field of housing to develop new materials and design methods that can led to safe, energy efficient, affordable homes in the U.S. and abroad.

The Information Technologies Project works on strategies to intensify and focus research and development to harness the potential of emerging information technologies to improve how we teach and learn.}

Please do us one more favor and explain how come a science based institute is providing such detailed reports on a small entity such as Mqm.

Re: # 18

Zee Sahib,

I must congratulate you on sidetracking the real issue presented by the author and that is the real threat presented by these Islamo-fascists. Offer another demon in the form of concocted stories, dont let the people talk about the real threat ie religious fascists.

Your thesis on Mqm is nothing but a cut and paste from the JI official website propaganda, its full of so many distortions and falsifications that makes it totaly irrelevant.

I can understand your euphoria in the current environment, Mushy and Altaf have screwed up big time and your religious fascists smell blood, they want to finish this last bastion of secularism thus this onslaught of massive propaganda. Who cares if Peshawar was hit by suicide bombers, Interior minister was attacked, army jawans are being attacked, the ideological battle for Pakistan is far more important.

Re: # 19
[ urban Punjab (Actual figures are around 4 million but these additional 1
.5 million r Rohtakis and similar people which we don`t consider as Urdu ones.]


...who the fcuk died and made you incharge to decide who is what...

ultimate goal...for the fifth columnists is... arabian sea...as declared by ayub khan in 1960...and still holds true....so learn how to swim and survive...;)

Musharraf may have fooled the Bush administration, but he will find the going tougher if the Democrats win the white house next year. Hopefully we will stop throwing away taxpayer dollars to prop up his rule. Whatever ignominous end he comes to, good riddance to him!

#19 by imperio,

...but this party has done nothing good for us....

As long as you hold this contention, I won`t dispute your other contentions.

Rgds.

#21/#22 by rf786

Thanks for all your rants, but can you point out a single factual inaccuracy in what I wrote in #18 or in the facts contained in the ``MQM Fact Sheet`` on the fas.org site?

On the other hand, consider the following lies in your post # 14:

Tablighees/Jamia Hafsa motely group smell blood and are going for the jugular

The people howling for revenge and toppling Musharraf are the secular ANP Pathans, PPP, and the centrist PML (N). Certainly not Jamia Hafsa or tableeghis who are all apolitical and not in the current picture at all or have even uttered a word. Even though a few Jamaat- e- Islami were killed including an injured being transported in the Edhi van, alongwith its driver, but JI is part of the Government and not complaining.

So who`re you talking about?

Imran Khan, NS, BB, Qazi Hussein et al will celebrate for they have once again shown the world that Pakistan is their fiefdom.

None of the above have anything to do with Jamia Hafsa. Would it be the Jamia`s doing if any of these attained power? Please explain how?

The Jamia Hafsa phenomenon is a separate and apolitical movement which will keep whomever attains power in check while remaining on the sidelines of mainstream politics.

I will grant though, only for the time being! Nothing else will work.

Rgds

rf786,

Who cares if Peshawar was hit by suicide bombers, Interior minister was attacked, army jawans are being attacked, the ideological battle for Pakistan is far more important.

This is a direct consequence of what I had written in #7. Yesterday`s attack in Peshawar was on an Uzbek owned hotel with whom Waziris are fighting, and whom were suspected of having ratted on Mullah Dadullah. Pakistan is getting increasingly drawn into the Afghan war with its obvious consequences which were well foreseen years ago. So what`s your surprise about?

All these policies were made by your `secular` leaders and now the consequences will appear. Can you fight these with your `ideological battle`? With what kind of weapons? I would be interested in knowing.

Rgds

If 12 year civil war (1986-98) and the ethnic cleansing that they unleashed upon other ethnicities, has not taught any lesson to Muhajirs about MQM then nothing can. The violence of May 12 perpetrated by MQM upon people of Pakistan was absolutely unnecassry yet they had no choice but to show their loyalty to the dictator and their American masters.

The Gorbachev dictator of Pakistan may try to punish people of Pakistan, for rebelling against him, by causing the scession of Karachi but this time it will be impossible for the haramzady generals to get away from guilotines. Its not 1971.

Zeemax

Last week a Pakistani military officer opened fire on his American counterparts in a flag staff meeting in retaliation for their insulting remarks about people of Pakistan. This shootout was followed by a gunfight between Pak and US soldiers at point blank range which resulted in casualties of dozens of personnel on both sides. Do you have any info on the name and rank of that Pakistani officer?

#30 by Urstruly on May 16, 2007 12:01pm PT


‘Paramilitary man shot at ISAF delegates’

PESHAWAR: A Pakistani paramilitary soldier belonging to areas close to Waziristan shouted Allah-u-Akbar (God is great) and opened fire as he saw Americans on Monday, sources in Kurram Agency said on Tuesday.

A Pakistani and a US soldier were killed moments after they walked out from a school building near the Pak-Afghan border in the Kurram tribal region after a “flag meeting” on Monday.

“A paramilitary soldier, who belonged to the Bhittani tribe and was deployed there for the security of American and Afghan military officials, opened fire, and cross-fire followed in which he was killed,” the sources told Daily Times on condition of anonymity. Information regarding the paramilitary soldier’s involvement in the shooting was “obtained from different people”, the sources added.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Waheed Arshad said he had “no information” that linked a Pakistani paramilitary soldier to the killing of the American. “I’ve no such information and an investigation has been ordered,” he told Daily Times. “I don’t have preliminary results of the investigation.” He blamed the attack on unidentified “miscreants”.

The Associated Press quoted an unnamed US military official as saying in Washington that US soldiers had “gotten into a truck and were preparing to leave when a Pakistani militiaman walked up and opened fire. Return US fire killed the gunman.” Arshad said he did not see the Kabul-datelined AP story. The Bhittani tribe lives in areas from Tank to Lakki Marwat along the border with South Waziristan and is regarded as one of “the most conservative and fiercest” of all Pukhtoon tribes. iqbal khattak

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#30 by Urstruly,

Pakistan`s role in the war on terror is finished. Regardless of the veracity of this report.

#31 by arjun2

Thanks. But I don`t know how far this report is true. No other media has reported it.