An Appeal to Honourable Supreme Court Justices

Re: # 29 by masadi:

``Their entire being and theology is based on the Western caricature of Islam .... ``

You are trivializing the enemy. I would say: ``Their entire being and theology is based on their desire to monopolize power for their own benefit. In this endeavour they are being helped by the policy of the west``.

``... they are the virus with which fascists of all sides infect democracy and people power ... they are the enemies of democracy, they are those that divide humanity ...``

AGREED! Now how do you fight them. Not solely by propping up the CJ is my point. Liberalism, unfortunately in our parts of the world, is confined to the elites. Who will bring these ideas to the poor masses? Since the poor have nothing but their faith in God, liberal values have to be brought to the masses by people who understand their conditions and their faith in God. We often neglect the history of Latin America, but we have a lot to learn from their history. Juarez, the native American Mexican liberal who fought and won the War of Reform against the conservatives was a very religious man. He fought against, amongst other things, a corrupt and degenerate Mexican church.

GT writes <<< ``Their entire being and theology is based on their desire to monopolize power for their own benefit. In this endeavour they are being helped by the policy of the west``. >>>

They are used and abused; but are dumb enough to believe that any benefit will come to them of this ``cat and mouse`` relationship which has given them prominence. They are self deceived which is no “strength”. Out of the 1001 shades of Islam in our times the American elite have chosen a minority brand precisely because they represent the stereotyped caricature of Islam, according to the crusaders. They have chosen it to provide evidence to their own people that they face a barbaric enemy and they have chosen this confrontation so that these fringe groups become mainstream in Muslim lands because of the “external enemy” they confront, enhancing solidarity among the ``home`` group.

So they are used as whores to achieve a double motive, i) looting the American people and enriching the corporations through a “war on terror” with no end ii) mainstreaming fringe groups that will ensure more suffering for the Muslim people of the “third world”

Many groups might want to monopolize power but recognize it as a mere dream given their resources, only the few dumb ones play out roles predetermined for them while harming humanity and breaking every rule in the book they purport to believe in. They are fools and the people of Pakistan are the victims of their ignoble gullible nature. Fighting them like the American elite purport to do (even as they strengthen them) will be a failed policy, making people conscious of the American elite’s façade would be the right path to follow.

The worst effected by this messup, created by the General, are the numerous hard working, honest and patriotic personnel in uniform. They have been pushed, by default, on the side of the plots and money hungry few dozen scavengers. Be assured that these personnel, numbering hunderds of thousands and belonging to poor and middle class families, have no lust of power, greed of money or plots. These sepoys, havildars, captains & majors etc are standing guard in siachen in -50 degree C and will perform and obey the lawful commands of their superiors. In return, they get and expect nothing more than honourable living for themselves and their children.

So people, when you are condemning the General, do not loose sight of the sacrifices and patriotism of these heros, who are obeying the lawful commands of their superiors even to the peril of their lives and sentiments. Isnt this what people are striving for in the land of pure, `the rule of law`.

Re: # 34 by masadi:

`` ... making people conscious of the American elite’s façade would be the right path to follow ...``

OK, so how would you do it? I am not asking you to answer. But if you have clear thoughts on this and do not mind sharing then I am willing to listen.

Re #36 by GT, in a world structure that perpetuates mythology through institutional domination, that supports the status quo of US overlordship, which enslaves humanity in a cheerful manner, all I can say is ``One person at a time``...

#Masadi mian

Taking out all the rhetoric (``dumb``, ``whore``, etc.)

(1) If the Mushy were to go, who would be the best person to run Pakistan? Is there anyone at all who would even has the ability to?

(2) Is it possible for anybody to rule Pakistan without Washington`s consent - as a practical matter?

(3) Why do you suggest that the US has chosen a ``caricatured`` version of Islam to project when in reality, GWB has always referred to Islam as the religion of peace?!

Colonel <<< So people, when you are condemning the General, do not loose sight of the sacrifices and patriotism of these heros, >>>

The harm caused to the nation by the military elite, and the resulting deprivation and death due to blindly pursuing the needs of externals and not the nation, far exceed any ``sacrifice`` at Siachen whose fodder are the poor folk and not the elite that run this ignoble institution. This institution squanders more wealth needlessly through serving external interests in policy, useless conflict and hardware purchase than any other institution in Pakistan. What is a fight over useless territory worth when over 90% of the nation suffers from extreme poverty that puts them at risk of early death? Finally, it is not ``the general`` but this institution that produces ``leaders`` that are share in the higher immorality of the US elite. People of consciousness reject both the Mullahs and the Army Generals as enemies of the people

Re: # 37 by masadi:

``...all I can say is ``One person at a time``...``

By making your enemy ``too big to fight`` you are in essence justifying your inertia. A typical intellectual malaise seen all over the world. Look Asadi, you are back in Pakistan and so is YLH. Now do more than just teach ....

bjk writes <<< 3) Why do you suggest that the US has chosen a ``caricatured`` version of Islam to project when in reality, GWB has always referred to Islam as the religion of peace?! >>>

GWBs rhetoric (which has varied) does not determine the consciousness of either the American or Muslim folk, what occurs as ``fact`` and what is presented as such by the media plays a much greater role. When one identifiable group is singled out for confrontation by a super power, not only does it give that group prominence and status, it mainstreams it among the locals

Masadi writes <<< Fighting them like the American elite purport to do (even as they strengthen them) will be a failed policy, making people conscious of the American elite’s façade would be the right path to follow. >>>


Utterly and completely respected Masadi Sahib,

You have been thrown out of the US University and deported to Pakistan. The Pakistani college you managed to enter, discovered your true colours and booted you out at the earliest. Chowk editors reject your ``articles``. Most Chowkies have recognised your true worth-- a few notches below zilch.

And yet you continue to spew your ``elite versus peons/slaves`` theories and blindly criticize the US endlessly. You will be taken seriously only in Lululand. Anyplace else you will be ``taken`` for sure, but not seriously.

Why don`t you do some thing constructive for a change???

See a shrink if the reality is still not visible to you. Stop mad ravings and rantings.

Wishing you well Masadi....

GT writes <<< By making your enemy ``too big to fight`` you are in essence justifying your inertia >>>

No, I am trying to break through the insurmountable institutionalized barriers to the truth that have been created in order to keep us enslaved. Not recognizing them as such would be ``foolish`` and thereby would be playing into the hands of those elite that often label truth tellers as ``loony`` and that is the end of them gaining any headway. One person at a time, and events will support the development of a critical mass....we hope

#41 Masadi sahib

An interesting perspective. I await your answers to (1) and (2) also.

#42 Okhla99

Your response here - attacking mian Masadi personally, violates all known norms of decent human behavior and all the real (or mostly imagined) chowk guidelines. Masadi has a viewpoint. He seriously believes in it. He has every right to express it in this open forum. You need to counter his points and not ridicule him - the latter only indicates you lack the ability to counter him - pure and simple.

bjk (1) names matter not, institutions do and when they are being restructured there is chaos but structure eventually emerges. That chaos is much preferred to the long slow painful death the Generals are leading this country to

2) Yes, but not without collaboration with other countries that have self-detached themselves from the World System, that is the only path to our development

Okhla= I was never fired from the US university, nor deported from the US. I freely chose to return home unlike you who pontificates lies but has no guts to take similar action. Go to hell because the country you live in, even though it is presented as ``sweet`` is quite hellish as far as the state of humanity in it goes. It is a factory that creates morons and destroys the human spirit, that is your land of the ``free`` the one that incarcerates more people per capita than any other nation on earth...talk about hypocrisy...

#45 Masadi sahib

I am having difficulty understanding your answers here. I do understand what you said about chaos - all power transitions involve a degree of it.

Can you describe to me the scenario and the sequence of steps that you would like to take place in Pakistan - who would emerge as a good leader and who would not (from EXISTING leaders) and the type of (specific) acts that they could take to improve the lot of fellow Pakistanis (a noble objective).

I am also unclear about this ``self-detached`` business from the world system. But I am more keen to get your perspective on the Pakistani political order.

#45 (add-on)

And there is no reason why you should have to respond to personal insults that the likes of the Okhla have pestered you with in #42.

While chowk staff is out having an affair somewhere...

BJKumar,

Stop butt licking ths evil Masadi. His imaginary elites vs peon theories have been comprehensively rejected eveywhere except lulu.com.

We all know your own history of intellectual dishonesty, blatant plagiarism and causing distress to Farzana Versey. For that you recieved a public whipping on Chowk. Do you want your abject apologies to be posted again on Chowk???

As far as language is concerned, please note that I have used civil language in all my posts.

Check out your own



<<< #155

Dear dumbass Muslim-Atrocity-apologist!

Since you are, in all likelihood, an absolute moron - perhaps even a chowk fat-cat - not to mention an utterly ludicrous piece of sheet who can not get your ass moving one inch without dragging the Book with it and perhaps one who can not read a word of text unless interpreted by a Mullah ... let me repeat parts of #153 for the benefit of you and all the other utterly moronic fixtures of this chowk den who lie to themselves that they are ``intellectuals``!

From #153
[...No amount of “we are the victim”, or “you got problems, too”, or “it is a conspiracy to defame Islam” can change that simple fact. ....]

Read ars-hole ...READ!

I SAID READ!!!!

And then go screw yourself! >>>
The above are your words, BJ Kumar....yaad aayaa??????? And then you have the audacity to criticise other civil interactors.

Step down from that pedestal, you hypocrite, plagiarising muslim-hater moron !!!!