The General vs. the Judge

Re: # 237
He seems to have a preference for being injected with lucknavi semen, its true he brags about it constantly.

tahmed32:

Do you suffer from some kind of reading disability? Which part of my post was ridiculing other ethnicities? Punjabi/Pakhtun Grand Alliance aka Punjabi Pakthun Ittehad (PPI) is a political party/militia thats been operating in Karachi since the 1980`s, so please refrain from speaking of things you have absolutely no knowledge of.

Now coming on to the subject of ridiculing other ethnicities and issuing threats no one has been doing it more than your blood brother Peemax. But strangely enough you seem to have missed all those posts completely. Furthermore, the fact that you called protester who were armed to their teeth ``peaceful`` makes me think that their is some truth to the widely held opinion on Chowk (that reaches across all ideological divides) that you are indeed a HYPOCRITE.

ahmedmadani,

How come you (and many others) think MQM is synonymous with urdu speakers? Is it?

#240 madani: you write You prosecute Punjbai PM for stabbing back army which had almost Captured Kashmir and on verge of Pushing back Indian army south and circled indian army which could have been elliminated by airmachines which were not allowed to be used by PM same way not allowing to use big bombs made Khan labs ( Again urdu maker).

You are indeed a military genius.

Re: # 207

If have talked about prosecuting Altaf for his ``unproven crimes``. You can come to that , but start charity at home and start with beloved army officer N.Babar. Why you never demand that justice be swift ( I will allow all other who killed bengal`s as they have dark skin it is understable ) in that case. Selective demands are just fake. Now you have been hoarse crying for 48 departed souls what about ( forget bengali kalus , there were not killed much, even manto has put figures less than 10 thousands killed by your beloved army) and trying to blame Salim as if he was shooting at people. Its not big numbers comared to slaughter Urdu speakers done in one day by rangers and army under Babaer generalship. So stops hypocracy . If really want to go to real understanding go to source and find truth you will have to swim against current and not with idiot retards just want ``selective`` justice.
General PM is much better dictector than all his earlier bosses who ruled. People became angry with them as in 1965 and 1971 they were soundly defeated and people were disappointed as instead of expanding area of country country was contracted big way. This president have never lost , may be Kashmir war was stalement but India had to beg USA to pull them from pakistani trap set by general and Indian army if not defeated was on verge of loss of Kashmir and then NS forced him to withdraw and led to loss of face and Kasmir which was almost in lap.
You prosecute Punjbai PM for stabbing back army which had almost Captured Kashmir and on verge of Pushing back Indian army south and circled indian army which could have been elliminated by airmachines which were not allowed to be used by PM same way not allowing to use big bombs made Khan labs ( Again urdu maker). Go to source and think than critic MQM. I will not write on this as you have made already opinion. You have right to find me wrong. Good night. I am tired now.

Re: # 210
You know he can not come at this time, it will be too provocative to come. Also till big two leaders dont come why he should endager his life ? Why you do not ask PPP supremo to come back and face charges? NS can not come as he had trilateral agreement by international standard ( army, K.S.Arabia and general) and he will be put in prison.
Also he can not come for some time as people`s mood is bit voilent and there is law and order problem for even ordinary people forget about big people. I do not want BB or NS come and some terrorist attack them. At this time it is ok ( not best) to have supreme leadership outside in London. ( It is ironic our land was ruled by queen of London and Empress of India(pakistan also).
I think all bigs should be out till people like you and Zeemax and HP talk about demolishing people and party they do not like. When you will start talking like ``defeating in elections`` and forget of revolution, riots and blood bath or pushing some ``party`` or people to be deported India or dumped in Arabian sea etc, when you stop such things in talk, print and in dreams then Altafbhai and BB and NS can come and become ruler of country by democratic way , old fashion type.
These leaders are asset of their parties why they will play suicidal games with their leaders.
When there is nice spirit amoung people of peace and friendship and brotherhood/ sisterhood I am sure Altaf will catch first plane departing from london to join his beloved Sindh and will sacrafice himself for all causes.

Re: # 216

This is not directed by International HQ of MQM,London, This is sure not good to talk about anybody. But people have become angry so people like Irman need to cool down instead of threatening MQM Chief. Why every bodys not get calmed down. Its time to not talk any thing by big leaders for month or so let things cool.

Re: # 236

Abay Punjoo choppaya,

There is nothing left to prove, u have been proven wrong and rogered thoroughly...so go back to your gobber field and do what u do best, bend over and....welcome everyone...

#234 by rf786,

I didn`t bother checking your link out, but here`s your homework for today:

Sindh contributes 38% industrial labour with 40% of total industrial units and Punjab 55% industrial labour and (?) industrial units, so how come Sindh contributes 70% of revenue?

Shabash .. work hard mutarwa tilyar ... ! You might get somewhere in a decade or so.

#220 by zeemax on May 28, 2007 0:01am PT


INDIAN CONNECTION OF MQM:

From: FAS.ORG: FACTSHEET ON MQM


Being that the MQM is just doing the paki army`s bidding, it`s the paki army + india + MQM against the ``democratic forces`` of the land of the pure and the ninja chix?

cool.....

Re: # 232

{Imran Khan has taken the opposite camp to prevent that from happening and is trying to expose MQM for what it is to fully discredit it, with the FATA Wazirs and the Khyber Agency Pathans pledging to protect him. Both are powerful groups, so we can safely expect a battleground in Karachi again}

Has Imran Khan told his Waziri tribesmen of his sweet wife, Huge Grant and his tiny nothing? Or has he provided personal services in exchange? Latter makes more sense.

This is aftrerall about ethnic issues, your gutter bigotry was exposed last night and again this post clearly shows your sense of belonging to a superior race that has the righ to rule and dictate terms to rest of the minnows. Well guess what, it was those minnows out in the East who whipped your ass back in 1971 and it will be another group from the South that will whip your ass again, me get the feelin u like dis whipping? Pervert.

Re: # 230

One thing is for sure, you really cannot help me or anyone else simply because u r not qualified or have an objective opinion. How can u help anyone when u cannot even help yourself.

This is what I have posted and still standby regarding Industrial production in Pakistan:

``Province of Sindh contributes 50% of Pakistan`s total Industrial production GDP value with 40% of total industrial units, contributes 38% of industrial employment``

This is your absurd claim:
{rf786 claims that the province of Sindh contributes 38% of all industrial employment in the country. The figures I produced include agriculture so rf786 now disputes them, implying that industrial employment in Punjab must be somehow lower than sindh because of Punjab being the biggest agri producer. Though he still hasn`t produced any sources to support this contention, it is entirely fabricated}

When Sindh has 38% contribution how can that imply Punjab has a lower ratio? R u stupid or just delusional?

Sindh contributes 38% and Punjab 55% while rest of the country makes the difference, was that so difficult to swallow? Industrial units are concentrated in Sindh and Punjab, anyone associated with the investment business in Pakistan knows that. Value of good produced happens to be more in Sindh, that too is common knowledge, then again that is beyond your egotistical comprehension.

Why dont u accept it, u have no idea nor do u have the character to acknowledge u were wrong. You have changed your initial claim from labor force to Industrial/Ag labour force w/o even acknowledging your initial mistake or sud I say pfoppa (I luv the Punjabi language, it give u so many options).

Now, be a good Punjoo and run quickly to your agriculture field, bend over and raise your
dhoti so that everyone can see what a big ahole u r.

Since u will keep pestering me about the source, here is the link, u have to do some number crunching and be educated enough to understand the basics, baqee Allah malik hai.

http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/fbs/statistics/manufacturing_industry/cmi_2001.html

HP #224 is absolutely right. The educated and middle-middle class upwards Urdu speaking people living in MQM dominated areas in Karachi speak about it in hushed tones, as someone would do in a mafia neighborhood, because they know all the inside stories.

The dangerous development is that the President appears to have picked MQM as his personal Militia with Pir Saheb as its commander. The rent-a-party has found a new employer, but one who is willing to do anything to cling to power against the will of the entire nation. Imran Khan has taken the opposite camp to prevent that from happening and is trying to expose MQM for what it is to fully discredit it, with the FATA Wazirs and the Khyber Agency Pathans pledging to protect him. Both are powerful groups, so we can safely expect a battleground in Karachi again.

#157 by rf786,

See below. If you still don`t get it, I can`t help you.

#176 by dost-mittar re rf786: 86, re zeemax 96:

It seems to me that you are comparing two completely different statistics. ..

The figures I gave are percentage totals within each province and include agriculture.

rf786 claims that the province of Sindh contributes 38% of all industrial employment in the country. The figures I produced include agriculture so rf786 now disputes them, implying that industrial employment in Punjab must be somehow lower than sindh because of Punjab being the biggest agri producer. Though he still hasn`t produced any sources to support this contention, it is entirely fabricated. Below are the Industrial/Agriculture employment figures:

PERCENTAGE DISTRIBUTION OF EMPLOYED PERSONS 10 YEARS OF AGE AND OVER BY MAJOR INDUSTRY DIVISION SEX AND AREA 2005-06

Persons employed in Manufacturing & Agriculture as a percentage of province`s total labour force:

NWFP 8.05 & 44.29; PUNJAB 15.4 & 44.35; SINDH 14.97 & 37.27; BALOCHISTAN 1.75 & 48.42.

Punjab is highest in industrial labour as a percentage of total employed amongst all provinces, while agriculture is just 7% more than Sindh. To compare the Industrial Employment, correlate it with its more than double the Sindh population (56% Vs 25%) to arrive at approximate numbers of how many industrial labour would be in Punjab Vs Sindh as well as rest of Pakistan. For anyone who wants to spend the time doing this, all the raw data on total labour force as a percentage of populations is Here which can be used to arrive at the absolute numbers of province-wise as well as a percentage of the country`s total Industrial Labour force.

I suppose you would have got the idea. Punjab`s industrial employment is likely to be higher than the rest of the country combined, let alone Sindh`s.

Regards.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1997/WR97/ASIA-05.htm

PAKISTAN
Human Rights Developments

In the most significant human rights development in Pakistan during the year, the decade-old political and security crisis crippling Karachi entered a new phase as the government adopted a markedly more hardline stance towards the Immigrants National Movement (Mohajir Qaumi Movement, MQM), a political party representing Urdu speakers, about 60 percent of the population of Karachi. Both sides were responsible for severe human rights abuses: the government responded to the MQM=s consistent use of violence and intimidation by labeling the party Aterrorist@ and indiscriminately targeting its constituency.

Following mid-1995 when violence in Karachi reached record levels and security personnel were systematically attacked, the government initiated its latest and most brutal offensive against the MQM, which continued through 1996. Law enforcement agencies routinely used illegal and excessive force against suspected MQM militants with complete impunity. Although the offensive restored a measure of calm to Karachi city after years of spiraling violenceCthe death toll for the first half of the year was 300 people compared to more than 2,000 killings during 1995Cthe country=s internal security apparatus was severely discredited in the process.

As part of a tightly coordinated effort with a streamlined chain of command headed by Home Minister Naseerullah Babar, the police, backed by paramilitary Rangers with sweeping powers of search and arrest, conducted systematic pre-dawn cordon-and-search operations in pro-MQM localities, indiscriminately rounding up all able-bodied males and parading them before informants for purposes of identification. Between July 1995 and March 1996 an estimated 75,000 Urdu speakers were reportedly rounded up in this way; towards the end of the year, hundreds remained in jail awaiting trial.

Several key MQM militants were the victims of extrajudicial executions, either during targeted police raids; or in custody, allegedly after being tortured or severely beaten; or in staged Aencounters,@ often during transit between prisons. Police rationalized the illegal killings on the grounds that witnesses= reluctance to testify against militants in open court made it nearly impossible to secure convictions. Notorious MQM operative Naeem Sharri, accused of scores of murders, was among those summarily executed on March 11, in Karachi, without any court proceeding. His case sparked intense controversy, as strong evidence emerged to refute the police claim that Sharri had been killed in self-defense.

Between mid-1995 and mid-1996 at least 150 alleged militants were killed and 800 suspects arrested. The deputy inspector general of police (DIG) for Karachi, Shoaib Suddle, in March 1996 acknowledged the security forces= abusive conduct, although he rejected accusations that they routinely overstepped their authority. He told The Guardian of London, A[T]here have been a couple of cases where we also feel excessive fire power was used.@ To Human Rights Watch=s knowledge no security personnel were prosecuted for illegal actions. Police authorities made no effort to ensure that proper post-mortems were conducted on the bodies of those killed in custody or in Aencounters.@

A surge in incidents of sectarian violence took place during the year, mostly tit-for-tat attacks by extremist Sunni and Shi=a groups in the Punjab and the North West Frontier Province (NWFP), that caused scores of casualties. Although some incidents were extremely serious, such as heavy fighting in mid-September in the NWFP town of Parachinar that left over a hundred civilians dead, the government failed to make a consistent or concerted effort to bring the perpetrators of religiously motivated violence to justice.

Government agents were involved in intimidation of the press during the year. Shaikh Aziz, a senior journalist working at the daily Dawn and Aftab Syed, the news editor of The News, were picked up and interrogated by intelligence agents in Karachi in June and September respectively. On July 5, district police warned journalists in Dadu, Sindh province, against reporting on alleged government harassment of a local opposition leader of national stature. Karachi police, on September 20, severely beat up several reporters and photographers and smashed their cameras. The journalists were covering the death of Murtaza BhuttoCbrother of the prime minister and head of a breakaway faction of the ruling Pakistan People=s PartyCwhich had occurred during an Aencounter@ with the police earlier that night. On October 20, in the town of Khuzdar in Balochistan province, the general secretary of the Khuzdar journalists= union, Hyder Baloch, was illegally confined for thirty-six hours by the local supervisor of the irrigation department for critical reporting. Gas, electricity and the water supply to Baloch=s house were cut off, and his family members were harassed.

The press was given a boost, however, when the Lahore High Court dismissed a defamation action brought by Prime Minister Bhutto against a leading daily newspaper, The News, for reporting that Bhutto had requested the extradition of MQM chief Altaf Husain during a meeting with the U.K. Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd. The court held that those holding public office must be open to criticism by a free press, which played an important role in exposing political corruption.