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The General vs. the Judge

Tariq Ali May 25, 2007

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#145 Posted by bjkumar on May 27, 2007 10:55:13 am

#141 Mohar

[there is no parallel ]

Yes and no. There is definitely a parallel as far as fractiousness is concerned. The ability of human beings to be excessively cruel to each other is just the same - be it the raping and killing of innocent women of the family to preserve ``honor`` or the blinding of prisoners in Bhagalpur!

But there is also a bit of more acceptance of violence as a legitimate tool on the Pakistani side - especially as one rises to higher levels of society and government. In that sense, there is a greater ``systemic`` acceptance of ``any and all`` means used to get to one or more narrow objectives.

Which is the legacy of the partition.

I do not need to comment on the different ``styles`` of leadership that gave rise to such differences in the attitude - on how to ``solve`` problems based on differences.


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#146 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 27, 2007 11:08:05 am
First of all I want to thank my Paki brother Ahmed Madani Sahib for his unique objectivity and compassion. Although he is a Punjabi, Mr. Madani can appreciate the bigger picture of what`s in Pakistan`s interest. He is not at all racist or jingoistic like most other PPPs here - Jeemax, Chacha Chaar Sau Bees and others.

Secondly, I am amazed at the quality of posts by rf sahib and binyamin bhai for their clarity, accuracy, and substance. Together they have decimated the sophomoric nonsense being shotgunned by Jeemux and the senile old hypocrite. Binyamin Sahib, you have accurately portrayed this hypocrite as the type of sore that plagues Pakistan`s unending ethnic strife.

We Mohajirs were content and proud to be simply loyal Pakistanis. Over and over, unceasingly, the Paki Punju Paindoos and their subservient allies called us HindustaaNRas, Panahguzeer, and worse - including black-skinned, paan-chewing, Biharis and weak choohas who hide in their ``bills.`` Well guess what? Just like the African-Americans, who, having put up with slavery, then name-calling such as Negro, Nigger, Colored People, Jungle Bunnies, and worse, decided to call themsleves BLACK. Yes, all of us Mohajirs are proud to be Hindustanis, semi-Hindus, black-skinned (even those of us whose pigmentation is the envy of every swarthy Paki Punju Paindoo), paa-chewing, and chooridaar pajama wearing whatever you want to call us. We are over the name-calling. Now, all we want is to be rid of vermin like Paki Punjus and want to go our separate way. Inshallah we will overcome.
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#147 Posted by mohar11 on May 27, 2007 11:12:38 am
Re: # 143
[...It is indeed humiliating for us Muslims when a Hindu has to teach us to stop hating each other and to refrain from foul speech....]

That was an un-necessary patronising statement... The fact is that muslims through out history have been killing each other in droves... while hindus have their caste big0try and social disharmony, they rarely murdered each other is thousands....

I am sure the Prophet pubh himself was a peace-loving man[wink, wink], but he didn`t exactly pass on those qualities to his followers.... instead his words as given koran has prescribed violence in no uncertain terms... even though the prescribed violence was supposed to be against infidel, but violence by nature always blows black... it devours its own children... when there is no infidel to kill, muslims start killing each other...
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#148 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 27, 2007 11:19:39 am
My response to Charlie on UP for his comment about Altaf Bhai:

Charlie - as long as we are asking for special favors from the UK ...

You said:

#2 by Charlie on May 26, 2007 1:47pm PT
{``I hope Imran is successful in expulsion of Altaf Hussain from UK.``}

I too have a similar hope:

I hope that Hugh Grant is successful in the expulsion of Imran Khan`s balls from Aunt Jemima.
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#149 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 27, 2007 11:26:37 am
The hypocrite MahaPunju Chacha Chaar Sau Bees keeps harping about the MQM firing on ``peaceful`` demonstrators who were marching for the restoration of ``democracy.`` As evidenced by numerous pictures, it is very clear that many of the ANP, PPI, and PPP ``peaceful`` demonstrators were armed with firearms. Since when did it become legal for ``peaceful`` demonstrators to display their lethal weaponry while marching for the restoration of ``democracy?`` As usual, this senile old hypocrite has been exposed for his double talk and foul lies.
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#150 Posted by mohar11 on May 27, 2007 11:30:29 am
Re: # 139
[...surely that would make the ``munh mein Ram baghal main choori`` type motherfukkers more than happy...;)..]

Sure, why not?...

but the irony is, it`s you pakis that are pushing the ``choori`` into your muslims brother`s heart all the while chanting allah allah, islam islam.... you make big song and dance about ummah and muslim unity and what not... but you kill other muslims at the drop of a hat, you have no qualms in exterminating your fellow people...

even though hinuds allegedly invented the concept - You guys have perfected the art of ``munh mein Ram baghal main choori``...
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#151 Posted by mohar11 on May 27, 2007 11:32:12 am
Or should we say ``muhn mein allah allah, baghal mein kalashnikov``....
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#152 Posted by Urstruly on May 27, 2007 12:08:26 pm
A POEM DEDICATED TO MQM (Movement of Qatil Mohajirs)

Jis taraf jaiyay, har simat muqaabil qaatil
PaRhta phirta hoa qatil kay fazail qaatil

Kia zamana hay keh sardar banay baithay haiN
ThuuRway, chor, haya bakhta, jahil, qaatil

Sokhta shehr se insaaf kay talib daaku
Adl ki laash peh bhi adl kay saa’il qaatil

Qatl karte hoay unn ko yeh gumaaN tak bhi nah tha
Khoon ki dhaar se ho satkay haiN ghaayayl qaatil

Qaatilo! Khoon peh tum kitni he mitti daalo
Phir bhi mitti se sadaa aati hay QAATIL! QAATIL!
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#153 Posted by philosopher on May 27, 2007 12:13:53 pm
Re: # 152urstruly

Hazrat kiya QAATIL nazm kahi hai.

Subhannallah.
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#154 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 12:23:35 pm
PAKISTAN TEHREEK-E-INSAF

BREAKING NEWS

May 14, 2007

In a press conference at Lahore after the CEC meeting of Pakistan Tehreek –e-Insaf, Chairman Imran Khan has declared Altaf Hussain, leader of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) as the No 1 terrorist of Pakistan.

He further said that General Musharaf while claiming to be fighting terrorism, is sponsoring the biggest terrorist of this country.

PTI is studying the possibility of going to court in UK against Prime Minster Tony Blair for harboring a terrorist.





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By Yawar Kazmi @ Monday, May 14, 2007 5:37 PM |
Being a Urdu Speaking and lived during the early years of my life in distric central ,near firdous cinema(now firdous shopping centre)in Karachi.i had the change to experience the cruelest manifestaion of evil in the history of pakistan in the shape of MQM and its Highly whimssical ALtaf Hussain.

But first i would like to refer what international news and thinktank organization has to say about Altaf Hussain..

`` criticism againt MQM leadership,Particulary againt Altaf Hussain,was considered unpardonable and the whole organization was run on the style of Nazi and Fascist parties of Germany and Italy.

The MQM leadership dealt harshly with dissident and complelled them to leave the city`` (Asian Survey Oct.1996,1037;see also JANE`S INTELLIGENCE REVIEW july 1996; Asia Times 22Jan.1997.


The State Department of USA said, in June 1995, in its Human rights Report regarding Pakistan,wherein inter-alia about the incident of alleged gang rape of Farzana, the report contains a finding ``although the MQM/A consistenly claims that its activists are innocent, unarmed victims of ethnic violence, disinterested observers believe that cells of armed MQM/A activists are responsible for aconsidrable amount of Karachi`s violence and crime. This include extortion of large sums of Money from Mohajir Businessmen as well as others.

In an apparent attempt to inflame public opinion and destablize the situationin Karachi, MQM/A Hussain alleged gang rape of an MQM/A supporter (while in custody)to call for three `` days of mourning`` in Karachi june 24-26.At least 67 people died in strike-related ciolence during the protest. Medical report (Agha Khan Univ. Hospital)on the alleged victim,however,did not substantiate the charges of gang rape. The MQM/A enforce numerous other strike calls with violence, resulting in the deaths of law enforcent personnel and civilian bystanders``.


This is what Daily Jang columnist, Nazim Siddiqui wrote on June 24,1987 after 30,000 copies of Jang News paper were burnt in Hyderabad
`` Altaf Hussian demands that Jang should;publish his statements and photographs in places prepsed by him.and that his opponents views should not be brought into print. No political party or leader has made such a demand in 47 years``.


TBC





By Yawar Kazmi @ Monday, May 14, 2007 5:45 PM |
i would like to advice Imran Khan Saheb to `` BE VERY CAREFUL``





By Ubaid @ Monday, May 14, 2007 8:28 PM |
I am surprised no one has ever said what Imran just did. isn`t it public knowledge what MQM operates? I find it ironic that people are more scared to speak out against this thug than the dictator. Goes to prove how deep rooted of a problem he is. No one is above the law. No one. I just hope more people would come out and stand up to this goon for one.
Congratulations! About time someone take a stand.





By Abdul Majid Malik @ Monday, May 14, 2007 8:29 PM |
Not many have courage to speak the truth in front of such a threat(MQM). I salute Imran Khan for declaring Altaf hussain as a terrorist. He should be brought to justice and no one should mince words in telling the reality of MQM and Altaf Hussain to the public. On the name of neutrality, many political analysts and TV channels are hiding facts from the public. It is better to be truthful than being this so called ``neutral``.

Haq baat teh-e-taigh sarr-e-daar karein gey








By Sana Hameed Raja @ Monday, May 14, 2007 10:51 PM |
The mere fact that a substantial percentage of our countrymen actually venerate Mr. Altaf Hussain is extremely distressing. Listening to his speeches which reflect sheer ignorance and uncouthness makes me wonder why can’t we have great leaders. In terms of ability, expertise and intelligence, Pakistanis are in no way lesser than any other nation in the world, all we need is to oust people like Mr. Hussain who relish in the ignorance of the followers, and support people like Mr. Imran Khan who have an immense drive to support the nation and guide the people towards progression. I think Mr. Khan should totally go ahead with his decision.





By Sumair Sher Khan @ Monday, May 14, 2007 11:42 PM |
Imran khan you are racist i think you forgot when you were looking donation for SHAUKET KHANUM CANCER HOSPITAL in lahore so people from karachi gave you huge donation and that was because of MQM. Mr khan you are a leader you are not suppose to say to anyone that he is terror or people from karachi are terrorist. so if you wanna be a future prime minster of pakistan so try to win the heart of urdu speaking with sweet words not your typically harsh words thats all.





By rabia @ Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:27 AM |
a very brave decision! but i guess dats da way Khan is..........It was about time dat sumone came up n set dat wastage of flesh n blood straight....................it was a wise decision to blame da brit gov directly for harbouring terrorism.......a news like dat is not going to be takin very nicely by da ppl of england who r already much against blair.........................

as for mr.altaf hussain..........yesterday i was chattin wid an urdu speaking guy.............n da hatred he showed towards sindhi`s,punjabi`s,pathans n baluchi`s was unbelieveble..................i could not believe how strongly misguided he was..............dis man is really evil n belongs in hell n i hope dat Khan is da person who sends him there...inshallah!





By Samad Nawaz @ Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:02 AM |
Altaf Husain is a terrorist and boss of underworld.
Since Altaf Husain organized “MQM”, Altaf Husain killed thousands of Pakistanis.
Altaf Husain is responsible for looting people of Karachi.
Altaf Husain is also accountable for rape/gang-rape etc. etc.
Altaf Husain is liable for organized crimes.
Altaf Husain is guilty for planting hate between Punjabis, Pukhtoons and Sindhis.
Altaf Husain is a rebel and enemy of Pakistan.
Altaf Husain is working on the plan of USA (CIA) and India (RAW). (how can one forget what he delivered against Pakistan in an interview with Zee TV couple of years ago)
Altaf Husain occupied Karachi with the help of his bunch of criminals trained in India.
Altaf Husain is murderer of many Journalists (i.e. Salahuddin) and Noble persons (i.e. Hakim Saeed).
Altaf Husain is slaughter of thousand of active members of Jamat-e-Islami, Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba, PPP, PSF, PML, MSF, ANP, PPE and Sunni Tehrik.
Altaf Husain is butcher and 90 is butchery.
Altaf Husain claims to be a human right activist but in fact Altaf Husain is the worst violator of human rights.
Altaf Husain doesn’t let anyone to oppose Altaf Husain anyway.
• NO one is allowed to speak against Altaf Husain.
• NO one is allowed to listen against Altaf Husain.
• NO one is allowed to see against Altaf Husain.
Altaf Husain never permits to held Free and Fair elections.
Altaf Husain never tolerates Free Media.
AND Altaf Husain never ever accepts Free and Competent Judiciary. Because Altaf Husain don’t dare to face cases against him, his party and gangsters.

USA is chasing for his enemies every where in world and turned several countries into battle fields for nothing. WHY don’t we are not running after enemies of Pakistan. Altaf Husain’s HONEYMOON is not over yet, where from he is getting income? Is he driving cab? Like once he used to drive in USA?

Imran Khan Pakistanis are behind you……. GO Ahead! Sue him; bring him into court for JUSTICE! Its time to nip the EVIL Altaf Husain. AND I’m sure you’ll do it because you showed the determination in cricket ground in every part of the world for success. SO I believe you’ll be successful also in fighting against cancer of MQM Inshallah.

And with due respect Mr. Sumair Sher Khan thanks for remembering us that time when the whole nation was stood with Imran Khan for his cause (Building Cancer Hospital) and now we’ll stand with Imran Khan for nation’s cause…. For Unity, For Faith, For Discipline, For Justice, For Peace and For Pakistan….. Insha Allah!





By Haider Tariq @ Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:05 AM |
I am surprised whenever someone speaks against the fascist activities of MQM its followers start blaming others of rascim interestingly when MQM was itself born on this rascist agenda, sowing the seeds of hatred in this metropolitan city, a city once known for its tolerance and economic welfare. MQM claims the support of Urdu speaking community which infact in not all truth. I have recently been to Karachi for more than four years unfortunately this community has suffered the most in MQM`s reign of terror.
Mush and MQM have been exposed to international media. Look at CNN, BBC and British Media all unequivocally holding MQM responsible for Karachi carnage. Our local media can be silenced, our experts can be threatenend but they failed to shut the mouth and eyes of international community.

We must salute to Talat Husain of Aaj, Asma Shirazi and Kashif Abbasi of ARY for covering Karachi rallies and speaking all truth without any fear of MQM.

We all Pakistanis love urdu and urdu speaking community as we love our pakhtoon,punjabi,sindhi,kashmiri,saraiki and baloch brothers.

We are all one and one for all. As everyone can see that the whole nation stands united with the Chief Justice for the rule of Law in this lawless land.





By Muhammad Ali @ Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:33 AM |
Altaf Hussain, is a racist, had always commented Anti Pakistan Slogan. Further he had also stated in his statement that he dont believe in TWO-NATION THEORY, which had led to the creation of Pakistan.

We dont wish our Kids future to be in hands of his criminal minded Party.

We wish freedom from such a Racist-Oriented Party who had taken Karachites Hostage of their Mob-Like Rule.




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#155 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 12:42:32 pm
83 by zeemax on May 27, 2007 1:27am PT
To open the eyes of MQM wallahs, as well as for the information of people who claim Edhi`s achievements as Karachiite, and that Punjab is prejudiced against Karachi...

... LO & BEHOLD!

From the very words of no one else but Maulana Abdus Sattar Edhi ... the great icon of Karachi and international relief worker: ]]]]

zeemax jii
This is the best post by you.......

It is an honour for Pakistan to have a human/saint like Edhi among us.I wish each one of us,if, can contribute even less than 5%, what Edhi does Pakistan would be in much much better state....

But, alas, here what I see is murder of innocent Pakistani Karachiits by barbaric MQM(mafia) with the help of Musharaf(an illegal dictator).............

MQM(mafia) claims to be a democratic party and then supporting first Zia ul Haq and now Musharaf( both dictators) and then killing hundrends of innocent Pakistani Karachiits...........Why this height of hypocrisy?Why this height of crueltAnd een then people have all the nerves to support this murderer mafia, called MQM?


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#156 Posted by Zeena on May 27, 2007 1:14:31 pm
A prayer for all Pakistanis who are sad for the current chaos in Pakistan....

A prayer for the families of those 48 innocent Pakistani Karachiits who were murdered along with hundreds who got injured for No reason at the hands of MQM...........




God(Almighty), please show us the right pathway to find our destiny which leads us towards you.




Ameen.

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#157 Posted by rf786 on May 27, 2007 1:27:17 pm
Re: # 96

Zeemax Ignorant or Disinformant,


{While the 2005/2006 official statistics from the official Labour Force Survey are:

LABOUR FORCE PARTICIPATION RATES AND UN-EMPLOYED RATES BY AGE,SEX AND AREA 2005-06

PUNJAB 34.93, SINDH 30.03, NWFP 26.39, BALOCHISTAN 29.54.

This time he can`t even claim the stats must have been fudged by a Punjabi PM as he did in case of the 1999 census, but above stats were compiled by a mutarwa president and a mutarwa PM who is also the Finance Minister and heading the Federal Bureau Of Statistics within his portfolio.

These people`s ignorance just infuriates me. It is a pity they base all their opinions on purposely spread disinformation by their political bosses ... and they slurp it up unquestioningly like dodos thrown some chicken feed}

Abay Jahil,

Like the late Fernandes wud say, ``Think b4 u stink``....Numbers u r quoting are the total labor force that includes your agriculture u jackass. Industrial production is Industrial production my dear Punjoo, it does not include ag and my source is the same as yours. It wud be better that u check your numbers b4 u start apeing over them, I have told u this b4, investments and economics is not your field, stop embarrassing yourself, u r good only at a few things and this is certainly not one of them.

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#158 Posted by rf786 on May 27, 2007 1:32:08 pm
Re: # 97

tahmed32,

{mqm murdered 42 people in cold blood, and you talk about mqm being tamed!! you dont tame killers, you bring them to justice.}

Yaar aapko kuk patha naheen aur chalein hein leaderee chumkaney

42 innocent also included 9-11 Mqm wallay, now tell me who is to answer for their deaths? Or killing mohajir does not count. There is plenty of video shootage showing Anp, PPP and JI resorting to firearms, destroying property and Iam sure u have seen it but deliberatly choose to ignore andplace all respnsibility on Mqm.
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#159 Posted by abu_safwaan on May 27, 2007 2:01:59 pm
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here people. Fact of the matter is that every single political, religious, student organization in Pakistan generally and in Karachi specifically have dens filled with modern day weapons barring Tehreek-e-insaaf maybe, but MQM is not the exception in this fiasco rather the rule. Iss hummam mein sabb nangay hein. So let’s start from there. MQM is like sushi, you either love it or you hate it and when your inclinations are extreme then its rather had to have a civil discourse. I know the inns and outs of MQM so my apologies but I would rather not subscribe to the notion that Altaf Hussein is epitome of everything good, but its also nauseating when immense hatred and bigotry flow from the same individuals who are outraged and justifiably so I might add, at the inhumane and barbaric posture of American and Israeli forces, but some how endorse when Naseerullah Babar and his thugs shoots the youth of his own country at point blank range and pushes human beings from 10 story buildings to die a horrible death.

These are the same bigots who found justification for the rapes and murder of their own muslim brethren in Bangladesh. I am saying lets assume for a second here that everyone that Naseerullah babar killed was in fact a murderer himself, my question is that in a civilized world, shouldn’t state display a lil more responsibility and shouldn’t they rather, I dunno maybe have a court and witnesses before they go on this killing rampage?

Apnayy taasub kay asar mein aapp logg yeah bhool jatayy hein kayy agla bhii insaan hay. Khudara yeah Mashriqi Pakistan wallii ghaltiyan na dohraien.

I am categorically saying that If anyone tried to subdue MQM by force they will be humbled. Anyone who thinks that MQM doesn’t have a REAL presence in Karachi and hyderabad and meerpurkhas is living in fools paradise. I personally think that MQM has done more harm to Urdu Speaking people than everyone put together. Hamaray Aslaaf or aabao-ajdad ka tarka to tehzeeb or ilmm tha, how does this bhaand Altaf Hussein figures in to that?

But only the people of Karachi can make them irrelevant thru the power of their vote, it might not happen in next elections, mqm shud thank the dynamic nazim of Karachi Mustafa kamal who has done exceptionally well but it can happen if the sincere political parties whose leadership is non-urdu speakin can demonstrate to the urdu-speaking majority of Karachi that they are not bigots and are willing to give everyone there fair share in the pie. I am afraid that popularity of MQM, Mukti Bahni, Mengals, Bugtis have a root cause and unfortunately the popularity of these separatist is a byproduct of the military-rule that Punjab has always patronized. Its not a mere coincidence that all the minorities in Pakistan have a bone to pick with Punjab. I think that times are changing however and the recent events are very heartening for everyone that has an ounce of love for pakistaN because Punjab at last has decided to be no longer the girl-friend of the oppressive Army, I am just surprised actually disgusted why MQM is flirting with the same forces that have wreaked so much havoc on our city not in distant past. Democracy suits MQM, it’s a disastrous policy and political suicide to sleep with the oppressor in this time in our history especially when the entire country looks ready to turn the page on our sorry affairs.
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#160 Posted by aslam644 on May 27, 2007 2:38:37 pm
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