Nadeem F Paracha May 31, 2007
#184 Posted by Skeptical on October 18, 2007 2:40:52 pm
Another masterpiece from our psuedo leftist journalist. I am at times amazed at the way simple things are given a complicated and yet plausible twist:
"It is just a party that came about at a time of great ethnic paranoia characterised by a persecution complex that was ripe during the Zia era. It will always have a violent streak if and when it sees a situation where it finds its turf being attacked by other mostly Punjab and Pukhtun based groups."
I wonder what Pukhtun or Punjabi group was threatening the turf of MQM on 12th May and secondly dont you think twenty years is a long time, I mean long enough to grow out of this persecution complex!
A party presently formed around a cult of personality today can not have a violent streak of the sort Mr Paracha is trying to rationalize and justify
And by the way NFP what did u expect Aitzaz Ahsan to say when he spoke on that conference. May be something like that " You know people although so many people have been killed today but really Zia regime is responsible for that as 20 years ago it created this air of ethnic paranoia. Today therefore all of us should condemn Zia regime and forgive MQM. It is not all fascist as it represents 70% of population of Karachi. I agree with Musharraf that there is no need for judicial inquiry as we already know that Zia regime is responsible for that."
"It is just a party that came about at a time of great ethnic paranoia characterised by a persecution complex that was ripe during the Zia era. It will always have a violent streak if and when it sees a situation where it finds its turf being attacked by other mostly Punjab and Pukhtun based groups."
I wonder what Pukhtun or Punjabi group was threatening the turf of MQM on 12th May and secondly dont you think twenty years is a long time, I mean long enough to grow out of this persecution complex!
A party presently formed around a cult of personality today can not have a violent streak of the sort Mr Paracha is trying to rationalize and justify
And by the way NFP what did u expect Aitzaz Ahsan to say when he spoke on that conference. May be something like that " You know people although so many people have been killed today but really Zia regime is responsible for that as 20 years ago it created this air of ethnic paranoia. Today therefore all of us should condemn Zia regime and forgive MQM. It is not all fascist as it represents 70% of population of Karachi. I agree with Musharraf that there is no need for judicial inquiry as we already know that Zia regime is responsible for that."
#183 Posted by KaalChakra on June 18, 2007 12:26:26 pm
Zeena, a question for you. Why do sometimes some Pakistanis switch to using Bharat and Bharati for India and Indians?
Sure, that`s a very beautiful name, and people might choose to use it all the time, but does it connote something bad or undesirable in Pakistan? Like, arjun uses the term ``Paki?`` :)
Sure, that`s a very beautiful name, and people might choose to use it all the time, but does it connote something bad or undesirable in Pakistan? Like, arjun uses the term ``Paki?`` :)
#182 Posted by Zeena on June 9, 2007 8:08:48 am
Imran Khan with all his honesty........in the making of a great leader..........Listen
#181 Posted by Zeena on June 9, 2007 7:40:00 am
From the board of Pakistan tehreek-e-Insaf.com
[[[i came across an audio tape recorded on 1987, in which altaf of mqm says: ``mahajiro! aslah kharido aslah, tv vcr chhoro, aslah kharido``. mqm is first organization of its kind in pakistan, which started its activities on the basis of smuggled arms. thousands and thousands of pakistanis have been killed by the terrorists of this organization. mqm`s terrorists are trained in bharat by bharti army. the same bharti army once trained mukti bahini of east pakistan. i read a news story in an old news paper of 1987, in which a pashto speaking muslim was ziped with iron belts and then blown up alive by throwing petrol and then fire. innocent poor pashtoon was requesting: `` please kill me with gun, but please do not blow me up`` mqm`s terrorists were laghing and taunting at the cry of that pashtoon. just imagine the scene in your dreams. mqm has killed thousands and thousands of innocent muslims like that. this is just one single example. any pakistani who believes in quran and our innocent prophet (pbuh) will always hate this terrorist mqm. mqm has purchased millions of dollars of armory from afghan war lords in 1980s. but underground members of zia`s govt like aslam baig and pervaiz musharraf provided full support to this terrorist organization. they had organized fake fights between panjabis,sindhis,pashtoons and urdu speaking community just to strengthen terrorist mqm. whenever see a mqm member just remember these events. these members represent those terrorists,who have unromovable spots of blood on their faces. just always remember it. if you support mqm, it means you support killers, murderers, and remember our prophet (pbuh) never support murderers. please choose the prophet`s way(pbuh). thank you.]]]]
www.tehreek-e-insaaf.com
[[[i came across an audio tape recorded on 1987, in which altaf of mqm says: ``mahajiro! aslah kharido aslah, tv vcr chhoro, aslah kharido``. mqm is first organization of its kind in pakistan, which started its activities on the basis of smuggled arms. thousands and thousands of pakistanis have been killed by the terrorists of this organization. mqm`s terrorists are trained in bharat by bharti army. the same bharti army once trained mukti bahini of east pakistan. i read a news story in an old news paper of 1987, in which a pashto speaking muslim was ziped with iron belts and then blown up alive by throwing petrol and then fire. innocent poor pashtoon was requesting: `` please kill me with gun, but please do not blow me up`` mqm`s terrorists were laghing and taunting at the cry of that pashtoon. just imagine the scene in your dreams. mqm has killed thousands and thousands of innocent muslims like that. this is just one single example. any pakistani who believes in quran and our innocent prophet (pbuh) will always hate this terrorist mqm. mqm has purchased millions of dollars of armory from afghan war lords in 1980s. but underground members of zia`s govt like aslam baig and pervaiz musharraf provided full support to this terrorist organization. they had organized fake fights between panjabis,sindhis,pashtoons and urdu speaking community just to strengthen terrorist mqm. whenever see a mqm member just remember these events. these members represent those terrorists,who have unromovable spots of blood on their faces. just always remember it. if you support mqm, it means you support killers, murderers, and remember our prophet (pbuh) never support murderers. please choose the prophet`s way(pbuh). thank you.]]]]
www.tehreek-e-insaaf.com
#179 Posted by cliftonbridge on June 8, 2007 8:05:28 am
70%=Share in GDP, revenue, geniuses, productivity, knowledge ...zee you have looked into your soul and come up with honesty. I feel like a mother cat watching a kitten open its eyes for the first time, and i am proud.
#178 Posted by zeemax on June 8, 2007 1:52:12 am
I just thought of an appropriate name for the groupies of the Machhar Q Movement:
The ``70% Club``
Whereas:
Groupies=tazeen etc.
70%=Share in GDP, revenue, geniuses, productivity, knowledge, cheap jeans, kali shaklein, tit-less wonders, spindly legs etc... etc ...
:~)
The ``70% Club``
Whereas:
Groupies=tazeen etc.
70%=Share in GDP, revenue, geniuses, productivity, knowledge, cheap jeans, kali shaklein, tit-less wonders, spindly legs etc... etc ...
:~)
#176 Posted by Tazeen on June 7, 2007 11:43:04 am
Re: # 174
Imagine misogyny and stupidity in ONE person and that too in gigantic proportions ....
thats UNFORGIVEABLE
Imagine misogyny and stupidity in ONE person and that too in gigantic proportions ....
thats UNFORGIVEABLE
#175 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 7, 2007 10:25:52 am
Cliftonbridge # 169 {``4. I think its shameful that Imran Khan has nothing to say about the constant bomb blasts and attacks on OUR ARMY in the NWFP/baluchistan. Clearly he has little interest in bringing anyone else to ``justice`` except a secular urdu speaker who isnt seduced by the CJ monkey. How predictable of Mr woman hating mullah shagging dancing girl for the MMA opportunist. WHere was his fucking sense of justice when he couldnt get out of bed to help pass the women`s protection bill?
At least the MQM guys are man enough to keep their violence directed at other men with guns. Not like the pansy wife beating sister shagging confederacy of dunces that are ``the opposition``. ``}
Clifton,
WOW! :)
You have put the ``liberal democrat`` hypocrite in his place. This bigoted, racist masquerades as a champion of ``democracy`` and ``egalitarianism,`` while he denies basic human rights and inalienable right to citizenship to 300,000 ``stranded`` Pakistanis, just because they will add to the number of Urdu-speaking Mohajirs in Karachi. This man hates all of us Urdu-speakers and needs to be exposed as thoroughly as you had done in your post. Please do me a favor, never never accept a burqa. We need our better halves to lead our people out of ignorance, delusion, illiteracy, and sheer stupidity. Thanks. It`s time we had an Altafa Behen for leader. :)
At least the MQM guys are man enough to keep their violence directed at other men with guns. Not like the pansy wife beating sister shagging confederacy of dunces that are ``the opposition``. ``}
Clifton,
WOW! :)
You have put the ``liberal democrat`` hypocrite in his place. This bigoted, racist masquerades as a champion of ``democracy`` and ``egalitarianism,`` while he denies basic human rights and inalienable right to citizenship to 300,000 ``stranded`` Pakistanis, just because they will add to the number of Urdu-speaking Mohajirs in Karachi. This man hates all of us Urdu-speakers and needs to be exposed as thoroughly as you had done in your post. Please do me a favor, never never accept a burqa. We need our better halves to lead our people out of ignorance, delusion, illiteracy, and sheer stupidity. Thanks. It`s time we had an Altafa Behen for leader. :)
#174 Posted by cliftonbridge on June 7, 2007 6:35:30 am
:) you see zee on this one we cant agree because i dont really care about people`s passports although truth be told altaf could def. conduct himself better in many ways. On the other hand misogyny and stupidity are irredeemable.
;) at 171 172 and 170
;) at 171 172 and 170
#173 Posted by zeemax on June 7, 2007 3:19:15 am
#169 by cliftonbridge,
Clifton, at-least that ``woman hating mullah shagging`` guy never gave a damn about acquiring a Brit citizenship over a Pakistani one even having studied and lived there most of his life and despite having married a top-class gori, while a ``baji loving sindhi shagging`` pir I`ve heard of who after having driven cabs in NY and an interlude of leadery/thuggery in Pakistan went to UK on the pretext of asylum and when the Brit Government got fed-up with thousands of parasite-status-seekers gave up and gave everyone amnesty, he proudly waved his second-class brit passport on primetime TELEVISION !!!
Have you read a book called Of Mice and Men ... ?
:~)
Clifton, at-least that ``woman hating mullah shagging`` guy never gave a damn about acquiring a Brit citizenship over a Pakistani one even having studied and lived there most of his life and despite having married a top-class gori, while a ``baji loving sindhi shagging`` pir I`ve heard of who after having driven cabs in NY and an interlude of leadery/thuggery in Pakistan went to UK on the pretext of asylum and when the Brit Government got fed-up with thousands of parasite-status-seekers gave up and gave everyone amnesty, he proudly waved his second-class brit passport on primetime TELEVISION !!!
Have you read a book called Of Mice and Men ... ?
:~)
#172 Posted by Love2love on June 7, 2007 2:43:46 am
Well said clifton. Not a squeak comes from Imran Khan regarding any acts of violence against women, not a squeak. He goes around acting so bold, but this man is the biggest coward. All his politics is done while sitting on the laps of mullah politicians or Taleban supporters in the ISI. He`s loud mouth sissy.
#171 Posted by rf786 on June 7, 2007 1:50:43 am
Re: # 169
clifton-ka-pull
Aapnay tho bilkul hee nanga karkay mara hai....dil khush kitha jinaab
Jee rukh.
clifton-ka-pull
Aapnay tho bilkul hee nanga karkay mara hai....dil khush kitha jinaab
Jee rukh.
#170 Posted by KaalChakra on June 7, 2007 12:54:55 am
Cliftonbridge # 169
HaHaHa
Even your `opposition` on this board - zee sahib, tahmed, HP - must be turning into diehard fans:
Mr woman hating mullah shagging dancing girl for the MMA opportunist....
Pansy wife beating sister shagging confederacy of dunces .....
Wah wah, remind me never to be on your wrong side :)
HaHaHa
Even your `opposition` on this board - zee sahib, tahmed, HP - must be turning into diehard fans:
Mr woman hating mullah shagging dancing girl for the MMA opportunist....
Pansy wife beating sister shagging confederacy of dunces .....
Wah wah, remind me never to be on your wrong side :)
#169 Posted by cliftonbridge on June 6, 2007 9:13:35 pm
Tahmed says
``Far more dangerous than the ethnic fascism of mqm are the forces of islamic fascism in Pakistan. Fascism and militarism go hand in hand, and the best antidote to fascism is assertion of the basic rights of all individuals``
1.yes i agree Tahmed. But at this point there are only two parties that can come to power in karachi MQM or IJI and only a fool would tell you different. Now maybe you see why the MQM fascism gets overlooked. For want of a better option.
2. I do also condemn ethnic chauvanism and ofcourse ethnic violence. The only reason why people still vote for an ethnic party in karachi is because realistically urdu speakers have been discriminated as an ethnicity (quota system for eg) which makes them kind of interested in not being left out which is what happens when other ethnicities rise to power.
3. There is a lot of needless intolerance in Pakistan some criticisms of MQM are genuine as are some defences of the MQM. The idea that MQM is blameless is wrong and the idea that MQM must go is even worse. They need to clean house and they need to stay. Because 7 million urdu speakers in karachi are not going anywhere and they are not represented by anyone else (except the fundo`s who make up the pathetic IJI).
4. I think its shameful that Imran Khan has nothing to say about the constant bomb blasts and attacks on OUR ARMY in the NWFP/baluchistan. Clearly he has little interest in bringing anyone else to ``justice`` except a secular urdu speaker who isnt seduced by the CJ monkey. How predictable of Mr woman hating mullah shagging dancing girl for the MMA opportunist. WHere was his fucking sense of justice when he couldnt get out of bed to help pass the women`s protection bill?
At least the MQM guys are man enough to keep their violence directed at other men with guns. Not like the pansy wife beating sister shagging confederacy of dunces that are ``the opposition``.
``Far more dangerous than the ethnic fascism of mqm are the forces of islamic fascism in Pakistan. Fascism and militarism go hand in hand, and the best antidote to fascism is assertion of the basic rights of all individuals``
1.yes i agree Tahmed. But at this point there are only two parties that can come to power in karachi MQM or IJI and only a fool would tell you different. Now maybe you see why the MQM fascism gets overlooked. For want of a better option.
2. I do also condemn ethnic chauvanism and ofcourse ethnic violence. The only reason why people still vote for an ethnic party in karachi is because realistically urdu speakers have been discriminated as an ethnicity (quota system for eg) which makes them kind of interested in not being left out which is what happens when other ethnicities rise to power.
3. There is a lot of needless intolerance in Pakistan some criticisms of MQM are genuine as are some defences of the MQM. The idea that MQM is blameless is wrong and the idea that MQM must go is even worse. They need to clean house and they need to stay. Because 7 million urdu speakers in karachi are not going anywhere and they are not represented by anyone else (except the fundo`s who make up the pathetic IJI).
4. I think its shameful that Imran Khan has nothing to say about the constant bomb blasts and attacks on OUR ARMY in the NWFP/baluchistan. Clearly he has little interest in bringing anyone else to ``justice`` except a secular urdu speaker who isnt seduced by the CJ monkey. How predictable of Mr woman hating mullah shagging dancing girl for the MMA opportunist. WHere was his fucking sense of justice when he couldnt get out of bed to help pass the women`s protection bill?
At least the MQM guys are man enough to keep their violence directed at other men with guns. Not like the pansy wife beating sister shagging confederacy of dunces that are ``the opposition``.
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