Month of the Gun

Re: # 99

salim mian,

........ i agree with your brilliant solution, except for one point - the province of potohar should be allowed to make up 50% of the army ........ there is nothing else to do over here - the land is devasted by erosion, there is no water, no industry, all the smart people migrated to india in `47 and the remaining are dumber than their jackasses, and the women have moustaches ..........

....... thank you for your kind consideration

Peace is a great idea. Its worth pointing out that not a single country on the planet has irradicated crime or hatred these are sadly parts of human nature and they just get played out differently in different areas.
The real crime in pakistan is poverty lawlessness misogyny and injustice. Addressing those will address everything else. Recently scotland debated on whether to leave the UK or not...its interesting how their complaints sound just like the NWFP`s or karachi`s, but scotland will not cecede because in the end history counts for less than economics.
For a country only 50 years old pakistan has made some great strides and sadly continued to make a bunch of blunders. We need to work it out thats clear. Just dont expect an answer in one generation, or likely in our lifetimes.
Its worth pointing out that after the 911 attacks loads of americans felt that having attacks in jew populated fag and immigrant loving new york was actually no big deal. Does that make the US a failed country?

Prajiv

Please, consider this a friendly question, because it is NOT meant to run anything you have said down.

Do you think that salim bro, hamidm2 sahib, zeemax, HP, rf786 and many others are not intelligent enough to understand the points you are making? Do we take Pakistanis - no matter how obviously brilliant in every way - as dumb and stupid individuals or what?!!

[Sorry, this question could be asked of any number of Indians insulting Pakistanis by offering trivia for goodly advice when we ourselves can`t live with one another. You just happened to be around at the wrong time! :)]

Re: # 99

Salim,

During the reign of Peter the Great, any Russian nobleman who chose to wear a beard had to pay a special beard tax. Add this to your list of solutions.

#99, Left out Hindus, Jews, and Sikhs (honest mistake):)

``There will be equal rights for women, men, Muslims, non-Muslims, Shias, Sunnis, Ahmedis, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, and Jews.

SOLUTION:

Pakistan be declared a secular democratic federation of autonomous provinces
There will be fourteen provinces (Punjab/4, Sindh/3, NWFP/3, Baluchistan/2, J&K, and NA)
No province will have a population greater than 20 million
The official and national language will be English
There will be equal rights for women, men, Muslims, non-Muslims, Shias, Sunnis, Ahmedis, Christians
There will be NO religion in politics and no politics in religion
Each province will have its own police force
No province will have a majority in the national armed forces
Regardless of the cause, no government can be in power for more than two months without conducting free, fair, and democratic elections to be validated by the UN

#97 hamidum2 {````I am beyond anger - I am now in solution mode. `` ........ good! ........ let`s do it ........ i am right behind you ! ``}

Hamidum Sahib,
If you don`t mind, will you please walk with me instead of behind me. Nothing personal, but I have heard of your Pathan background, and I just feel more comfortable if you walk WITH me. Thank you.

Re: # 96

salim mian,

``I am beyond anger - I am now in solution mode. `` ........ good! ........ let`s do it ........ i am right behind you !

#95 prajiv {``If a country consists of more than one community and you don`t want to break the country then you should develop some machanism to live peacefully togather. ``}

Pra,
Everything possible under the sun has been tried. This has been going on since 1951 and gradually getting worse. Just like a bad marriage, putting up with abuse may be recommended but it is not always the best solution. Especially, when abuse turns to physical violence, it`s time to go separate ways. I am beyond anger - I am now in solution mode.

Re: # 94
Salim Bhai....we understand your anger...but somehow you people (Sindhis,Mohajirs and Punjabis) need to develop inter community relationship ..for sake of comming generations. As former Indian PM Vaajpayee said ``You can choose your freinds but not the neighbours``. If a country consists of more than one community and you don`t want to break the country then you should develop some machanism to live peacefully togather.

#89, prajiv {``Salim bhai...I agree with the importance of parties like MQM,but I think they need to refine their methods ..also they need to have internal and external democracy in MQM...good luck to MQM.
``}

Pra Pra,
Excellent advice. MQM was not a deliberate invention. It evolved because of the suffering of Urdu Speaking Mohajirs in the 70s and 80s. Mohajirs were correctly stereotyped as nonviolent, scared of confrontation, and afraid of Pathan and Sindhi aggression. After suffering much humiliation, many deaths, Mohajirs have developed into a group that won`t take crap from anyone. I think this is nothing new:

Jews in Israel behave much differently from the Jews who sent to the concentration camps
Sikhs were a peaceful religious group until Mughal oppression drove them to become martial
Bengalis were very timid people, until Punju racism brought the animal out of them
Blacks in the US were compliant and obedient slaves for a long time, but the effects of slavery, segregation, and lynchings brought out Black Power.
Now Palestinians, always regarded as the most educated and peaceful of all Arabs, have been transformed into a violent people.
We are the products of the persecution we suffer from.

#18 by Kulharee on May 31, 2007 7:05pm PT
{``Paracha Sahib, It is beautifully written, straightforward yet muscular article. My sincere condolences for you being half non-Punjabi.``}

Axeman,
Why offer sympathy for Paracha Sahib being half non-Punjabi? Did you ever think that maybe that fact makes him half-human, which means that he still has much more humanity than you could ever obtain through your numerous attempts at human interaction. :)

#10 cliftonbridge {`` Yes karachi has been destroyed by the MQM thats why a bunch of ninjabi`s can attack police officers and other women and hold them hostage ..``}

Clifton,
LOL :) That was indeed hilarious and very cutting. Good job on combining humor with logic. I really appreciated that.

Thanks, man. And, sincere apologies for making an issue of such a seemingly trivial matter.

#23 by Tazeen on June 1, 2007 1:09am PT
Re: # 22
{``The biggest vomit to have come out of Zia Era has got to be Nawaz ``bharee Mandate`` Sharif, not MQM. ``}

Tazeen,
Excellent point. The Punjus and Sindhis are so blinded by their boiling blood as they yearn for Mohajir`s demise. How soon they forget:

1. It was the Mahapunju who toppled another ``democratically-elected`` leader and gave him a final necktie party.
2. Right now, all the liberal elites have come together in a circle jerk to praise the Punju CJ. Do they recall that it was a Supreme Court decision with all four YES votes coming from Punjab against three NO votes from other provinces, upholding the death sentence of the MahaSindhi Bhutto?

These Pisser-e-Zameen have such short memories.

Re: # 87
Salim bhai...I agree with the importance of parties like MQM,but I think they need to refine their methods ..also they need to have internal and external democracy in MQM...good luck to MQM.