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The Importance of a Dictator’s Failure

Rozaiba May 28, 2007

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#13 Posted by atif2 on May 29, 2007 5:01:04 am
author expresses his concerns about ``persistent sectarian flare-ups``

Now this coming from someone who routinely refers to adherents of sunni sect as ``sunni fucks`` and labels everyone he disagrees with as ``fascist`` in his ilogs is quite funny!

Much more than the 7 points author has outlined, Pakistan needs to clamp down on the culture of hypocrisy, whereby we express concern over the spread of sectarianism while contributing to it ourselves. This national habit of always walking around with fingers pointed at others needs to be crushed.

On another note, author expresses thanks for the ``operation`` in Waziristan, not giving any fudge to the deaths of thousands of Pakistani citizens in that region at the hands of dictator. I guess if we can be so gleeful at the extra-judicial deaths via gunship helicopters of fellow citizens in one region, regardless of their crime, then we lose the right to protest when that same dictator merely fires a civil servant in another region.

This ``constitutional crisis`` that author talks about wasn`t created in February 2007. Musharraf crushed constitution 8 years ago...in 1999. Where were these lovers of constitution, who now cant seem to complete a sentence without bragging about a ``well disciplined constitutional struggle``, at that time? Is it because at that time they were busy cheering dictator on while he was killing Pakistanis with long beards? Have these ``constitutionalists`` suddenly discovered a ``constitutional crisis`` now that dictator seems to be turning against people with clean shaves as well?

Long live the dictator! Down down hypocrites!
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#12 Posted by zeemax on May 29, 2007 4:40:23 am
My daily pic for the pride and joy of hamidm2:




Enlightened moderation on the march in Pakistan !!!
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#11 Posted by rf786 on May 29, 2007 2:35:30 am
Dear writer,

I appreciate your thought process and constructive ideas, but maybe just maybe Pakistani nation need more. Al Azhar scholar (in my opinion the prophet or messiah has arrived) Izzat Atiyaa (``Izzat``-aptly named) suggestion, novel but promising may be the answer to all of our problems. Naturally appealing, organically pure and develope true familial bondage, please do read as follows:


Al Azhar scholar favours adult breastfeeding

Daily Times Monitor

LAHORE: A fatwa by an Islamic scholar permitting women to breastfeed adults with whom they work has led to his suspension this month from al-Azhar University in Cairo, the world’s leading Sunni university, reports The Australian.

Izzat Atiyaa had issued the fatwa as a way around the prohibition in Islamic religious law against a woman working in private premises with a man who was not her close relative, says the report in The Australian. Breastfeeding, he argued, would create a familial relationship under Islamic law.

Dr Atiyaa explained to the Egyptian newspaper al-Watani al-Yawm that: “A man and a woman who are alone together are not (necessarily) having sex but this possibility exists and breastfeeding provides a solution to this problem (by) transforming the bestial relationship between two people into a religious relationship based on (religious) duties.”

In Islamic tradition, breastfeeding at infancy establishes a degree of familial relationship between nurse and child even if there is no biological relationship. Dr Atiyaa argued in his fatwa that if an adult male was nursed by a female co-worker it would likewise establish a familial bond that would permit them to work side by side without raising suspicion of illicit sex.

Dr Atiyaa headed al-Azhar University’s department dealing with hadith. He said he had based his ruling on one such tradition according to which, at the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) order, a man named Salem was breastfed by the wife of another disciple.
“The fact that the hadith regarding the breastfeeding of an adult is inconceivable to the mind does not make it invalid,” Dr Atiyaa said, in defending his ruling. “Rejecting it is tantamount to questioning the Prophet’s (pbuh) tradition.”

Nevertheless, his ruling evoked almost universal rejection among Muslim scholars and in the popular Egyptian press. Al-Azhar University formed a committee of hadith experts, who dismissed his ruling, and the university administration ordered him to publish a retraction. He complied.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007 05 29 story_29-5-2007_pg1_9
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#10 Posted by MantoLives on May 28, 2007 9:44:07 pm

Rozaiba... Well written as usual.

The one thing that has happened with this current movement is that hopefuly doctrine of necessity has been buried foreever.
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#9 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 28, 2007 12:17:11 pm
#4 abysmal {``My prediction is, Inshallah, President Hillary Clinton will bring democracy back to Pakistan in the year 2009. My other, more tentative prediction is that if Hillary wins, Benazir wins. ``}

Abysmal,
Let me add to your prediction. I predict that Zeemax will be involved in disgraceful yet cunning linguistics in the Ovary Orifice during Pres. Hilary Clinton`s first term and Bezamir III will suffer the same fate as Bezamir I and Bezamir II.
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#8 Posted by arjun2 on May 28, 2007 11:50:30 am
#2 by malik99 on May 28, 2007 10:16am PT


Also, how we have made immense progress compared to India.


How long ago was that? 30 years?
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#7 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 28, 2007 11:33:19 am
#6, Zee Sahib,
Punjus perform gang rapes (e.g. Mukhtaran Mai) while Altaf Bhai patronizes The Home Depot.
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#6 Posted by zeemax on May 28, 2007 11:21:04 am
#5 by Salim_Chauhan,

Mohtarim, you missed this I suppose:

....the current government has the honor of keeping the worst criminals (including making a man on the run for multiple murders and popularly known to enjoy drilling holes in knee-caps, a governor of a province ...)
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#5 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on May 28, 2007 11:06:35 am
{``The poison built up against Pakistani federal rule – rightly perceived as an extension of Punajbi rule - is immense``}

Rozaiba,
An excellent attempt to grade the performance of our leader. Now, while you are at it, could you please give us a summary report on the performance of Bezamir I, Besharif I, Bezamir II, and Besharif II? After all, we need to examine Mushy`s performance in the proper context - the conditions under which Pakistan was suffering at the time of his bloodless coup.

By the way, whether it`s Mushy doing the dirty work for Pakistani Punjaibis, or it`s Zia Owl Hack doing his own thing, or the ``democratic`` reigns of Mohtarma and the Bosley graduate, the role of Punjab in dominating Pakistan is quite consistent and pernicious - good observation.
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#4 Posted by abysmal on May 28, 2007 10:29:43 am
My prediction is, Inshallah, President Hillary Clinton will bring democracy back to Pakistan in the year 2009. My other, more tentative prediction is that if Hillary wins, Benazir wins.
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#3 Posted by zeemax on May 28, 2007 10:18:06 am
Dear Author,

Pakistan has been going through the throes of the conflicts it was born with, and a generation later it is at the threshold of resolving these once and for all. That isn`t too long a time for a nation born under such cataclysmic circumstances. In my view the end of the tunnel has been reached.

Overall, this article is a great assessment of the Musharraf era. Just one comment though:

.... there is little indication that Musharaf and his government have something to offer other than the diminishing returns from the West’s gift-wrapped bonanza in the form of debt-rescheduling, favorable trade-terms and increase in quotas as a reward for post-9/11 national policy shifts.

All of the above were the immediate windfalls after 9/11 which provided fiscal space as well as increased exports upto perhaps 2004/5. After that, it has primarily been FDI in Real Estate Development from the UAE and Saudia which has sustained and built upon the diminishing returns (as you rightly mention) which can be placed to the credit of Musharraf`s economic team, and remains its major focus.

However, this Real Estate bonanza is directly dependent upon the enlightened moderation thrust of the Government which has become highly controversial and under vigorous attack, as well as environmental concerns of ordinary citizens upheld so far by the Supreme Court, being one of the reasons for the dismissal of CJ Iftikhar Chaudhary.

Musharraf has adopted the Dubai model of first creating exclusive playgrounds for the rich (Sale of two Sindh Islands, New Murree scheme at Patriata, Hawkesbay Sugar City development etc), and then inviting-in capital flows resulting from globalization. All this does not sit well with the common man who gets nothing out of this kind of foreign investment which doesn`t produce anything for them, except inflation due to monetary expansion.

So, whoever comes next, will have to rethink and adjust the entire economic model for the country which is more in line with its people`s aspirations.
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#2 Posted by malik99 on May 28, 2007 10:16:38 am
``Pakistanis in general refrain from identifying benchmarks to measure success and failure``

Really? I thought we Pakistanis were obsessed with benchmarks. I grew up listening to my teachers describe how Pakistan was so ahead of South Korea and now they are light years ahead of us. Also, how we have made immense progress compared to India. Or how our literacy rate is so far ahead of that of Republic of Congo. If anything, we do too much benchmarking. Our high school chidlren can rattle off many stats regarding where Pakistan stands compared to the rest of the world.

The next logical step after benchmarks is developing a ``gap analysis``. I think pakistanis are ok in that respect as well - this article being a good example of that. After``gap analysis`` comes the development of a cohesive strategy and a launch roadmap to narrow those gaps. That is where we utterly fail.

Overall a balanced article.
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#1 Posted by Folio on May 28, 2007 5:00:13 am
Madame,

Wud anybody in Pakistan listen to these words of advice?

Who can redeem Pakistan? Who`s the pan-Pakistan leader? Mr. Bhutto once was. Who`s now?

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