Pakistan – The Threat From Within

rf/hamidm: whatever you say, the fact is that muslim men mess around no more and no less than any other men. Using the incidence of AIDs as an indicator of promiscuity, its relatively low prevalence in Pakistan relative to most third world countries should mean something.

But dont let me spoil the fun with stupid things like facts.... :-)

zeemax #256: The vast majority of countries in the world today have reasonably free and fair elections. So, I think time is on the side of those who seek the same in Pakistan. Whether it will happen as an immediate result of the current effort led by the CJP and supported by all political parties, or whether this attempt will fail, who knows. If it fails that would be terrible, but one point has already been made - the people of Pakistan have the spirit of a free people, and will not be enslaved forever by those with the biggest guns. It is a question of time before Pakistan comes back on track and joins the free nations of the world, rather than becoming another miserable general-ruled state like Burma.

Re: # 258

Iran is late to recognize this need, MISYAAR is already practiced in Soodi Arabia and similar arrangements have been sanctified by Jamia Azhar in Egypt for quite sometime. Blame the west for their debauchry, free sex and legalize the practice in your backyard to give an impression of piety, munafiqeen.

Most recently, a Professor from Jamia Al Azhar passed a fatwa regarding Na-Mehram problem allowing BREAST FEEDING for the male colleagues which will make them relatives. Fatwas and blessings such as these expose the male chauvinistic, misogynistic attitudes prevalent throughout the muslim world.

So, its good to be a muslim in the Moslem world, u can have multiple wives of various contracts, overnight, weekly, yearly Or simply take the kaneez in your left hand and boink boink. Now with breast feeding getting legalized for office workers, there will be no crime cause all men will be suckling their co-workers. Only ppl to lose will be the pe-max of this world, the parasites who have been suckling on moslem hate, they wull be out of business.

Re: # 255

Mr Besharam, Baghairat, Manjhay Ghamay Choora Number 1-Pee-Max (slave of wahabi lucifer), gandee naali ke keeray,

If ppl talk to u doesnt mean u sud forget your neech auqath, always remember your kammee zaath, never forget it otherwise ithnee phetee laganee hai thadee dadee nu yaad ajaiga....sumjhea phudee warka.

Chuttar, even kammee`s have the decency and fortitiude to understand a simple dialogue, u on the other hand are a complete chuttar.

Issue at hand was the misuse of blasphemy laws and their impact on minorities, thus the refeence to shantinagar massacre. Now take it and shove it up your big fat ass with sll the other bhumboos.

Re: # 260

zeemax,

....... personally i prefer the kaneez solution and have always supported the efforts to reconquer india, palestine and andalusia ......... our hindoo, jewish and christian friends might have a problem with it, but then they don`t realize the benefits of dhimmitude inspite of the fact that their women have to serve as comfort girls - ingrates! .......... i am also all for accepting women as gifts from vassal princes, potentates, business partners and clients .........

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007 06 03 story_3-6-2007_pg7_5

#258 by hamidm2,

But seriously hamidm2, let`s discuss it. Even though mutaa is controversial (I don`t know the authenticity of this report. Can you post the link?) but I believe it was practiced till Umar`s time. I don`t think it is practiced today even in Iran though a very small Shia minority sect may support the practice.

My take on this is that after conquests, Kaneezes replaced the need for mutaa, and four marriages replaced kaneezes. However, the need for multiple female sexual partners was recognized and fulfilled at each time and still is in case of upto four marriages (if one can do justice to all). Problem now is no one can afford to do justice to even a single wife let alone 2-3-4, so that results in brothels and/or adultery.

What`s the solution? What do you recommend? Is Mutaa okay because Kaneezes are out too?

#258 by hamidm2,

................. there is always a silver lining to every cloud - you just have to look for it ..

Good idea. That should cure my jihadiness as well. Jamia Hafsa is full up after your advice so may I send an application to you? What`s your address? I promise to bring ice cream cones ...

.........islam has solutions for all human problems - here is a solution to the hafsa problem :

....... i have long maintained that most of the problems with the religious folks - headaches, muscle pains, mood swings, alcoholism, pedophilia and suicide bombings - stem from extreme sexual frustration and guilt ........... if catholic priests and nuns were allowed to have pseudo-conjugal relations, the church would not have the problem with their bishops molesting the choir boys ............. similarly, if we allowed the girls of hafsa to get into `temporary` marriages with the boys of fareedia and get it on, we could put an end to the mayhem in islamabad ........... after all it is allowed in islam :

TEHRAN: An Iranian cabinet minister said young people should be encouraged to get temporarily married to avoid illicit extramarital sex, newspapers reported on Saturday. “We should expect violations and repercussions if we do not practically respond to young people’s sexual needs,” the Kargozaran daily quoted Interior Minister Mostafa Pour-Mohammadi as saying. “Islam has solutions for all human problems and temporary marriage is a solution to this kind of problem,” the minister was quoted as telling a conference in Iran’s clerical capital of Qom. He said Iran should seek to promote the practice with “boldness” and urged seminary scholars to study the matter and come up with ways to “execute God’s command in society.” afp

................... there is always a silver lining to every cloud - you just have to look for it

... contd #256...

.... if there are free and fair elections, Nawaz Sharif will be back in power. There isn`t any doubt about that because only he fits in the multitudinous equation with the ability to reduce polarization between the Islamists and the liberals. Forget about BB. She`s a crook who has no credibility even amongst liberals let alone the Islamists.

Will you accept Nawaz Sharif as PM?

#254 by tahmed32,

This is a great post. I`m in full agreement.

The crux of the matter is free and fair elections. That my friend, will never be. There`ll only be elections if a controlled democracy is guaranteed, otherwise ther`ll be Martial Law, this time without any disguise or whatever.

So, eventually power has to be snatched through the barrel of the gun for the rule of the people, not by the rigged ballot.

But that`s my opinion. Yours will obviously differ.

#253 by rf786,

Abey hindoo/christain choorhey, who`s talking about any effing shantinagar here? You alleged something on Hafsa which you can`t defend. Now either answer #247 or forever remain silent !

Tumharey jaisey kanjar bohat dekhey hain ... ultey haath ki maar hain saaley haivaan ...

#252 zeemax: If there are free and fair elections, in a civilized society the legislature (call it parliament, call it majlis, words are not important) has the legitimate authority to formulate laws after proper debate, with suitable protection to certain basic rights of all individuals (along the lines of the US Bill of Rights. And in a civilized society, the Chief Justice (whoever it is at that time) is the legitimate authority to interpret these laws in case there is an issue. And in a civilized society, generals take their orders from a duly elected civilian authority, and not vice versa.

The important thing is the process, and let the pieces fall where they may. If th

The points you note are simply words and can be translated into action in any number of ways - you can call Pakistan an Islamic State and at one extreme interpret it to mean a civilized society (as described above) or it can be interpreted to mean a jahil society (where, e.g., the Chief Justice can be fired by a serving general, or a group of individuals can declare themselves to be spokesmen for God, as the religious leaders try to do in Pakistan). As such, these words dont mean anything by themselves.

The important thing is - that it is the people, through due process of debate, free press, proper elections, and the rule of law decide on these things. Not the guy with the smelliest beard or the biggest guns.

Re: # 250

Abay Jhakee Budhe,

Obfuscation, deceit, data mining is there anything that u have not mastered? You have done your master (Wahabi Lucifer) great credit by virtue of services rendered.

Read the post again u jackass, it refers to the ransack of Shantinagar, an atrocity committed by fellow muslims in the name of blasphemy. Now do the pee-max....bend over and raise your soiled dhoti for all to see the big A-Hole.

#251 by tahmed32,

Just a hypothetical question for you.

Whereas:

1) You support the CJ movement for upholding of law, justice and the constitution.

2) You support replacing of the military administration with democratic institutions.

3) You support freedom of expression, assembly, and media.

Now the question is, if tomorrow this same CJ says:

1) ``The preamble of the constitution guarantees Islamic injunctions;

2) The Article 1 describes the State as `Mamlukat -e- Khudad-e-Pakistan;

3) The Article 2 proclaims the State Religion to be Islam;

4) The `Parliament` is just an acronym for `Majils-e-Shura` as desribed in the constitution.

Will you still support him?

:~)

zeemax/rf: aoa, gentlemen.

take a break
and celebrate...

as the judge marches on for justice...

PS: Who knows where all this is leading to. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. But at least for now, Pakistan is on the right track, and hope the generals behave themselves and God watches out for our beloved nation.

CJ gets rousing welcome: 14-hour drive from Islamabad to Abbottabad

Jhootey bismillah hindoo ... tujhe tau mein ghar tak chorr kar aaon ga ... now answer me. Who registered a case on insufficient evidence because as you quote `one complainant wasn`t there and the other denied the accusation`?

No obfuscation, clutching straws, hiding behind inanities, or sobbing for mercy or anything like that.

Just a straight answer :)