Pakistan – The Threat From Within

#248 by rf786,

Mr radio-frequency ... then who did you mean registered a case with insufficient evidence as a knee-jerk reaction? Obviously you meant the PIMS administration. Isn`t that correct?

Re: # 247

Abay BUTT Sahib

Where have I said that fir was lodged by JH or anyone for that matter....apnay gunahon kee mafee mang ke shaaid thera bhulla hojai...chuttar

#244 by rf786,

....immediate kneejerk reaction to register cases even though there is sufficient evidence to suggest otherwise....

Under what pressure was the PIMS administration to file the criminal complaint themselves without sufficient evidence or did they do it as a knee jerk reaction? It means you are accusing the management of PIMS and not the Hafsa girls. That is good news.

I mean, to clarify, the FIR was lodged by the Deputy Administrator of PIMS, and not by the Jamia Hafsa girls so your argument has just bitten you in the butt, Sir.

:~)

#242 by Folio,

From above it`s clear that what u `preach` here is a big BS

Imam-e-Kaaba Shaikh Abdur Rehman al-Sudais is a sarkari Maulvi appointed by the Saudi kings. He is no religious authority. It is in fact quite funny that the `enlightened` government has invited him and taking him all over the place, making him issue statements towards `moderation`, when the same government was inviting people from all over to participate in mixed marathons (not that I have anything against those) and sending the female sports minister for para jumps in Paris (not that I`m against that either) just yesterday.

The Imam`s visit is solely to convince people that Jamia Hafsa is wrong according to Sharia, which is false. Imam Ka`aba knows very well what`s going on in his own country, but issuing `gol mol` edicts in Pakistan to bail out the government groveling at his feet and which gave him the `state guest` status after arriving in Pakistan on a private visit on the invitation of just the Punjab government, but only after he had issued a few such statements.

He`s just being nice to his hosts at their request. That`s all. Few will be fooled by that.

What happened 10 years ago South of Khanewal cannot be forgotten, an act of religious persecution where the victim has never been compensated or given justice:

Press Release 12 February 1997

Church Burned As Violence Flares Again In Pakistan

Two Christian villages have been attacked and churches burned by a hostile Muslim mob in a series of violent incidents on Thursday 6 February.

Jubilee Campaign were given first hand reports of the situation from a local Pakistani church leader who asked not to be named for security reasons.

The violence erupted after a mosque in Khanewal - about 200 miles south of Lahore - broadcast that pages had been torn out from the Koran and blasphemous words had been scribbled on the religious text.

Local Muslims marched on two Christian villages, Shanti Nagar and Bhootabad, threatening villagers, however the police dispersed the crowd peacefully. The mob returned the following day and, this time, police were unable to stop the violence.

* About 1500 Christian homes were burned. This comprises of 60-80% of homes in the area.

* Three churches were raided. In Khanewal, a Roman Catholic Church and an ARB (American Reformed Presbyterian) Church of Pakistan were burned and severely damaged; in Shanti Nagar, a Salvation Army Church was attacked.

* Christian facilities including a hospital, a hostel, and a dispensary (run by the Salvation Army) were also attacked.

* Approximately 100 Christians were hospitalised.

* Two Muslims were killed when police fired on the mob.

News reports claimed that the military had cordoned off both villages and imposed a curfew which was still in force more than twenty four hours after the incident

Re: # 243

Other side of the story is always nonsense to those who wish to push their agenda, thats why we have episodes like the ransacking of Shantinagar.

Word blasphemy for any minority in Pakistan means persecution and death, state has also failed to defend their citizens thus the immediate kneejerk reaction to register cases even though there is sufficient evidence to suggest otherwise.

#241 by rf786,

Arrey bhai if one complainant was not present and the other denied, then how come the PIMS administration itself lodged the criminal report ?????????

I didn`t miss that but it is obviously nonsense and didn`t comment.

Think .... and deduce ... :)

For Zeemax:

1. Imam-e-Kaaba Shaikh Abdur Rehman al-Sudais has ardently appealed to the Lal Masjid administration to give up the path it has adopted for the past few months

2. He said Islam does not allow violence, terrorism and use of force. The religion teaches mutual compassion and emphasises on love and affection.

3. Quoting the Holy Prophet (PBUH), Al-Sudais said that the ``air of heaven would not touch anybody who would kill a non-Muslim covered by an agreement.``

4. ``No individual can or has the right to declare and wage Jihad.``

5. When the Holy Prophet (PBUH) did not have power in Makkah, he acted differently and when he had power in Madina, he proceeded in a different fashion.``

(http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=8279)

From above it`s clear that what u `preach` here is a big BS.


Kaalachakra,

I hope u stop patronising Zeemax, a pseudo namaazi.

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Anyone with knwoledge of Pakistan can explain this:

The main photograph on the front page shows the `foremr` CJP with the flags of Pakistan and that of Supreme Court of Pakistan.

Q. Does any ousted CJ had powers to use these powerful symbols of the state of Pakistan when he`s not in power? Was it part of his penchant for `misusing` his powers?

Re: # 240

{desecrated verses of ‘Bismillah’ and Dua for eating and drinking fixed on the notice board of a classroom....}

This is just one ``alleged`` version, there is another side of the story that u have chosen to ignore for your personal agenda.

``one of the students was not present at that time while the other denied Jamia Hafza students’ claim``

Balance is extremely important in Islam, maybe u missed that perspective in your wahabi teachings.

#239 by rf786,

1. Who is the desecrator here? Was the Dua written over the cross or the cross made over the dua?

Mr. RadioFrequencyBismillah, do you mean the cross was there first on the classroom notice board and someone wrote Dua over it? Read below what you reproduced:

.....desecrated verses of ‘Bismillah’ and Dua for eating and drinking fixed on the notice board of a classroom....

LoL

Re: # 178

Alleged desecration with one student refuting JH claims. Question that needs to be asked:

1. Who is the desecrator here? Was the Dua written over the cross or the cross made over the dua?



Nursing school head, students suspended
By Munawer Azeem

ISLAMABAD, June 2: Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (Pims) administration has suspended the principal and a teacher of a nursing school along with seven students for committing violation of rules and regulations on Friday night, sources told Dawn.

However, Pims Executive Director Dr Fazle Hadi claimed that the administration had suspended five Muslim and Christian students besides the principal and a teacher.

He said an FIR had been lodged with Margalla police station against unidentified people who allegedly desecrated verses of ‘Bismillah’ and Dua for eating and drinking fixed on the notice board of a classroom.

An inquiry into the incident is being conducted by Prof Anwarul Haq, however, the suspension of seven people had been carried out for their alleged violation of rules, he added.

The executive director said the students of Jamia Hafza, who came to the school on Friday, claimed that they were informed about the incident by two Muslims students who asked them to visit the school.

However, one of the students was not present at that time while the other denied Jamia Hafza students’ claim, he added.

On the other hand, the college principal, Stella Lazir, told Dawn that the administration suspended 10 people, including seven Christian students, without having any prove against them about the violation.

She said the inquiry into the incident was still under progress and the move to suspend the students, a teacher and principal was illegal.

She said about 75 per cent of the students were Muslims and there was a strong possibility that ‘outsiders’ were involved in the incident.

The suspended principal said the desecration of holy verses occurred on May 17 during her absence as she was on holiday from May 14 to 23.

The administration and the acting principal, Irshad Begum, overlooked this issue probably because exams were being held in the school at that time, she added.

Ms Lazir said she was informed about the incident on May 27 and the next day she talked to the students about the issue

#228 by tahmed32,

...betraying his ignorance of the fundamentals of democracy, the writer betrays his ignorance of the fundamentals of the Quran as well.

Tahmed saheb, he knows perfectly well what he`s talking about, and so do I. However I concede he wouldn`t have a clue about ``tahmedyat``, just as I don`t have a clue about ``ahmedyat`` i.e. without the `t`, which I hope is a pardonable offense :)

#227 by Urstruly,

You beat me to it. I was going to post the same:)

What clear thought. Afreen s`ud Afreen. I particularly enjoyed Ghazi`s definition of ``By the people, of the people, for the people`` as `` enslaving people to other people with the people`s consent``; and that Islam quite on the contrary brings people out of slavery of another man into slavery of Allah alone.

I had earlier tried to explain this concept by saying ``Fear of Allah`` actually does not mean quivering in Allah`s fear and trying to obtain His pleasure, but in fact ``Fear of no Man`` including the `Haqim-e-Waqt`.

hey manto..tell us more about the free paki media now...

ha ha...


Channels barred from airing shows on CJ issue



By Amir Wasim


ISLAMABAD, June 2: Enraged by media coverage of the ongoing judicial crisis, the government on Saturday stopped satellite TV channels from telecasting programmes, including live talk shows and discussions, on the issue of the presidential reference against Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.

The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority sent a carefully-drafted letter to the managements of the private TV channels to inform them of the decision to ban TV coverage of the events related to the chief justice.

Interestingly, Pemra also issued a press release later in the afternoon regarding the award of licence to DawnNews TV in which it claimed that no ban had been imposed on live coverage of programmes.

The Pemra letter to the TV channels, a copy of which is available with Dawn, states: “No programme shall be aired which (i) is likely to encourage and incite violence or contains anything against maintenance of law and order or which promotes anti-national and anti-state attitude; (ii) contains anything which amounts to contempt of court; (iii) contains aspersions against the judiciary and integrity of the armed forces of Pakistan; (iv) maligns or slander any individual in person or certain groups, segments of social, public and moral life of the country; and is against basic cultural values, morality and good manner.”

“You are, therefore, advised to refrain/desist from relaying programmes which deviate (from) Pemra laws and Code of Conduct. Non-implementation of the directives in this respect shall invoke legal action under Pemra Ordinance 2002 and rules/regulations made there under,” says the letter carrying the signature of Pemra director-general (enforcement) Rana Altaf Majid.

In the letter, Pemra accuses TV channels of constantly violating the code of conduct. It “regrets” that some broadcasters are still engaged in showing “gruesome/gory scenes of mutilated bodies of tragic incidents of terrorism creating fear and unrest in the society which serves the purposes of the terrorists”.

It says Pemra has always believed in self-regulation and self-correction. The authority, it says, expects maturity and a sense of responsibility from the broadcasters.

“In clear disregard of the orders of the Supreme Court of Pakistan and Pemra laws and code of conduct, the broadcasters are running live talk shows and discussions on the chief justice’s reference which is sub judice.”

With apparent reference to the live telecast of the addresses of the chief justice to various bars and with particular reference to the seminar of the Supreme Court Bar Association on May 26, the letter says: “In the recent past, some channels telecast live speeches which blatantly violated Pemra’s code of conduct.”

It is worth mentioning that several federal and state ministers have also been participating in the talk shows on the CJ issue, but the Pemra letter has no mention about participants of the programmes.

Prof. Hoodbhoy is not doing his work of teaching atom bomb science. But he is playing politics openly and giving comfort to recist and antiMQM criminals. Can prof be disciplined for taking part in politics and defaming university reputaion instead of getting inviolved in higher studies about atomic science. President as a chancellor of univ should fire prof for not doing job and taking part in politics. If he does not teach lesson then he is too generous. Hope he does not make deal with corruption empress of pakistan BB to get elected. He will get elected and will fire stupid and ungrateful elected officials.

This prof. is danger to pakistan by openly writing against army and govt of pakistan and inciting violence and preaching hate politics