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Pakistan – The Threat From Within

Pervez Hoodbhoy May 31, 2007

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#345 Posted by masadi on June 5, 2007 10:08:17 pm
Folio writes <<< If u were a trained sociologist, then why did u write that Virginia Tech massacre was the result of American imperialism >>>>

Firstly, I did not put ``imperialism`` as the cause, I put the cause as the social structure in which people`s lives are lived in the US, one that objectifies and devalues humanity and has grades of worth assigned to different lives based on how close they are to the US elite, that was the extent of the comparison with Iraq. Second, not only am I a sociologist, I also teach criminology and know as fact that psychological and biological explanations of criminal behavior are quite inadequate, because not only are laws, socially formed, crime itself is relative and varies from time to time, society to society etc making it a specifically SOCIAL phenomenon. Why is it that the person responded the way that he did, what role does the cultural apparatus in the US play in such reactions and why do such episodes happen moreso in that society rather than in others was what I sought to answer in that paper. You on the other hand do not understand any of these things, all you want to do is deceive through sloganeering and using ``straw men`` in a most illogical fashion show your opponent in a bad light. Read that article again, and think about what I wrote Worthy and Unworthy Victims: The Virginia Tech Massacre & Iraq
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#344 Posted by Zeena on June 5, 2007 8:09:37 pm
Only this man can save Pakistan...Listen (part111)

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#343 Posted by Zeena on June 5, 2007 7:58:00 pm
Only this man can save pakistan...Listen(part11)







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#342 Posted by Zeena on June 5, 2007 7:35:38 pm
Only this man can save pakistan..Listen
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5930487182973309034&q=5930487182973309034
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#341 Posted by Folio on June 5, 2007 5:57:26 pm
Masadi,

If u were a trained sociologist, then why did u write that Virginia Tech massacre was the result of American imperialism? How come?

It doesnt need Dr. Sohail to explain that it`s the pent-up feelings of an isolated foreign student who exploded in rage for a range of reasons, including possesiveness (4a girl).

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#340 Posted by chaltahai on June 5, 2007 12:31:06 pm
Re: # 337 You are an idiot. if there is a growing middle class and the mobility is a upward shift, then how can you say poverty allevaitaion and income distribution is not taking place? Go read any UNDP report and do a time series analysis on Indian poverty from 1950 to last year. Look at the rate of decline just in the last 10 years.

A second year student of economics knows the relationship between elasticity of poverty vis-a-vis the rate of GDP growth. In India the baseline is 7%, any % point above that takes about 10`s of millions out of poverty. Google it and search under Bhagwati, Sachs etc..idiot
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#339 Posted by masadi on June 5, 2007 11:21:44 am
In #337 read <<< A while back I had posted an article which compared perent while the trends of poverty ... >>> as


<<< A while back I had posted an article which compared percent wise the trends of poverty... >>>
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#338 Posted by masadi on June 5, 2007 11:18:13 am
arjun writes <<< BTW, masadi....I heard you are back working for the peon factory... >>>

Not at all I don`t work at a peon creating factory, I work at the department of sociology at a public university where I am autonomous and do not accept the BS from anyone...not an MBA school that has borrowed its name from an institution in the UK, run by an Ass H who was a third rate CSP officer who sold his soul to the world bank and America....
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#337 Posted by masadi on June 5, 2007 11:14:46 am
chaltahai writes <<< Each percent point over 7% GDP growth takes over 15 million out of poverty in India. >>>

What are your sources for this contention? I provided you with my sources from the World Bank and the UN and once again you respond with slogans disgracing yourself and your institution, MIT. How can 15 million be taken out of poverty when the government of India does not even know how to measure poverty? It takes the ``food line`` as if people don`t have other needs, even the vile US elite define their poverty as food times three to understate their poverty, the Indians outdo even their perversion in this regard. A while back I had posted an article which compared perent while the trends of poverty reduction in India back when it was unaligned and now, and there was no difference whatsoever because even while making more, capitalist India is not distributing the surplus....comprendey or will you have to sweep the floors of Harvard in order to get that?
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#336 Posted by chaltahai on June 5, 2007 8:02:47 am
Masadi, you are an ullu..plain and simple. Since 1991 the rise of the middle class in India has seen a greater growth rate then ever before. These people didn;t come down from the uberwealthy to create such a monolith..they came from below. Each percent point over 7% GDP growth takes over 15 million out of poverty in India. None of this happened when india was unaligned, outside the global economic and financial system. Thye numbers simply don;t support your tirades. If being unaligned is what it is cracked up to be..then the shining examples are N Korea, India (pre-1991), China (pre-1978) and Cuba (post castro) as examples. Pick any indicator pre and post amalgamation into the globa l economy (Which is led by the US). Ullu kahein ka
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#335 Posted by Folio on June 4, 2007 4:10:06 pm
Chennai,

Yeah..it`s good in many aspects and getting better every year but I cry for the Gneissic rocks of Hyerabad. The naturally beautiful rocks were pulverised by the tasteless construction companies and indifferent public.

You cant find the same kinds of rocks in any other city in the world. These rocks formed aeons ago are gone forever.

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#334 Posted by GT on June 4, 2007 2:41:08 pm
Re: # 333 by zeemax,

Yup,

You had me more confused there. I come to chowk this morning and see this discussion all over the place from UP to FP, from sadna to atif, .... all about democracy and Islam. And then to top it all echo puts up an article equating Islam to fascism and then in UP he says that it is `language` that matters.

Zee this used to be a simple place with a little bit of gaali here and there but now it has become all `intellectual` with Salim refusing to walk in front of Hamid and kaal asking everyone to respect everyone else ..... I mean I have this picture in mind of ali1 and arjun2 `respecting` each other ..... no hard feelings kaal, but ....

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#333 Posted by zeemax on June 4, 2007 1:47:38 pm
#330 by GT,

Oops sorry ... you were talking about the other article .... I think I should let echo answer that question ... :)
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#332 Posted by zeemax on June 4, 2007 1:44:46 pm
#330 by GT,

GT it was about Imam Ka`aba`s visit to Pakistan and his statements, particularly his saying that May Allah protect Musharraf from `jealous` people.

About that the columnist is satirizing that more than uttering the truth against a ruler, it is a bigger virtue to utter the truth against the people because the ruler will either kill you so then you`ll become immortal, or he`ll buy you off. While if you speak the truth against the people, they will ostracise you for good. So doing that is real bravery.

Then about his statement that Jihad can only be declared by a Government, the columnist is saying that sure ... the Kashmiris should have asked Manmohan Singh or Afghanis should have asked Karzai if it was OK first.

... and much more. :~)
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#331 Posted by arjun2 on June 4, 2007 12:53:04 pm
#326 by Urstruly on June 4, 2007 11:51am PT

Click on his name, then click on the interacts link...

why hasn`t chowk staff upped his karma rating? he`s been in the shitcan for a long time now..
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#330 Posted by GT on June 4, 2007 12:19:35 pm
Re: # 329 by zeemax:

Yaar zee,

What was that article all about? My head is spinning. Is Maulana Boom sahib anti `Islamic State`?
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