Pakistan – The Threat From Within

SHARIAH OR SHAHADAT (Martyrdom)

Students of Jamiah Hafsa protesting

hamidm mian:# ``the us trade deficit with india was over $10B ............. on top of that us companies like ibm, hp, gm and ge have hired tens of thousands of indian professionals at high salaries that continue to grow at an alarming rate (alarming for employers and customers)``

....This is true........

`` ........... the indian middle class continues to grow``

This is also true.......

``......and soon there will be a starbucks on every corner in bangalore....``

This is definitely not true.........As I told you earlier, Bangalore still has a long way to go to catch up with Islamabad.........In fact, it has a ways to go to catch up with Lahore.......Forget about any other city.......I am not sure why, since the first two factors would mean that the third should be true, but for some strange reason, it isn`t true..........Bangalore is, basically, a very large Rawalpindi..........with one corner, which looks (somewhat) like Silicon Valley........

#277 Masadi

``...recognize the trick of the US companies whose items, manufactured abroad but sent back home are shown as ``imports``, thus all the relocated manufacturing concerns of the US contribute to the fictional so-called ``trade deficit`` with the poor nation...

This seems like a very interesting point. Could you please further elaborate on this. As a layman I do understand that in an equation between US and any other country the net flow of wealth is always directed towards US. It has always been the case since the time US replaced the previous colonial powers after Atlantic Charter.

In the past, before the collapse of Soviet Union, the equation was easier to undertand when the modus operandi was the politics of `aid`. Suppose a third world country has a GDP of $1, US would offer that country to sell a capital good item fo $3 whose actual selling price should be $1. Now the 3rd world country can`t buy it but needs it to improve its manufacturing base; so it borrows $2 from US and buys that $3 item. So US sold the item for $1 (as it should have) but in the process will benefit from the interest on $2 plus the actual amount for many years to come. So the third world country will borrow more to pay the back debts.

This equation was easier to understand. But this ``trade deficit`` scam is a new one and I want to understand it. Interestingly enough, every US economist whines that there is trade dificit viz a viz China, however, they do not connect these dots with those that US borrows the same amount of money on monthly basis from China as much there the trade dificit is. God what a scam.

the big dog wants mushy to be around but any other pliant dictator willing to bomb the tribals and hand over pakis of the jihadi persuasion will do...

As TV Coverage Feeds Protests, Musharraf Reacts

By Griff Witte
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, June 4, 2007; Page A01

HARIPUR, Pakistan -- Every day, Taj Mohammed Abbasi wheels his cart through dusty streets, selling the oranges, guavas and litchis that are the pride of this rural outpost in the shadow of the Himalayan foothills.

But what he`s seen recently on television motivated him this weekend to take to the streets for a different reason: to join a movement with the audacious goal of ousting the military-led government and restoring democracy to Pakistan.

``Watching television, I have become very angry,`` said Abbasi, 33, swatting flies from his cart. ``I am not a political person. I have not been to a lot of rallies. But this time, definitely, I am going.``

Pakistan might be in the midst of its first televised revolution. For nearly three months, a handful of fledgling independent stations have been broadcasting minute-by-minute coverage of what at first seemed a relatively obscure issue: the suspension of Pakistan`s chief judge by the president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

Since then, Pakistanis nationwide have been transfixed by live coverage of police beating lawyers, pro-Musharraf groups firing assault rifles at demonstrators and the chief justice speaking to ever-larger and more boisterous audiences about the dangers of autocratic rule.

As the cameras have rolled, opposition to Musharraf has surged, and he is considered more vulnerable now than at any time in his eight years in office. Even in rural areas where poverty is high, residents have gathered in hotels and barbershops around the few television sets available and watched the brewing crisis play out live.

Here in Haripur -- an hour`s drive north of the capital, Islamabad, but a world away from its modern conveniences -- residents came out by the thousands on Saturday to demand that Musharraf step aside and allow elections to restore civilian rule.

Stung by the criticism, Musharraf has reacted by cracking down on what had been the government`s signature defense against charges of authoritarianism: the independent television news networks.

The country`s half-dozen networks all sprung up under his watch, and Musharraf has repeatedly bragged to the world about his efforts to free Pakistani television from state control and censorship for the first time in the country`s history. But with his government teetering, Musharraf, a key U.S. ally, is threatening the networks` very existence.

``He allowed the genie out of the bottle. But he didn`t realize how big it could become. Now he`s trying to put it back,`` said Talat Hussain, director of news and current affairs for one of the channels, Aaj Television.

Aaj, along with others, has come under intense pressure in recent days to pull programming off the air and to cancel live coverage of opposition rallies. Aaj has continued to broadcast, but its transmission is being blocked throughout much of the country.

``I have no illusions about it,`` Hussain said. ``They`re going to shut us down.``

Ayaz Amir, a political commentator who hosts a call-in program on rival channel ARY Oneworld, said his show was canceled this past week because of government pressure. ``I`ve been branded as a person who`s not favorably disposed to the government,`` he said.

Government officials deny they are censoring the news media. They say they are simply enforcing regulations that have been on the books for years but have often been ignored, including a requirement that stations get permission before they broadcast live.

``The independence of the media is something we take pride in,`` said Information Minister Mohammed Ali Durrani. ``We`ll take care of their independence.``

Musharraf has made no secret of his displeasure with the way the controversy over the chief justice has been covered, and his top aides have accused the news media of exploiting the issue for ratings gains.

Last week, Durrani warned journalists against criticizing the army, an institution that has historically been revered in Pakistan but is increasingly attacked for denying the country a chance at civilian rule eight years after a military-led coup elevated Musharraf to power.

Durrani`s remarks came after the independent channels broadcast marathon coverage of an anti-Musharraf rally at which demonstrators chanted slogans such as, ``The generals are traitors`` and ``Save the country -- take Musharraf`s skin off.``

Since that rally, several of the channels have toned down their coverage of the crisis, and there is widespread speculation that they made deals with the government in order to continue broadcasting.

Until recent months, Musharraf had displayed an adeptness at using the media to his advantage -- giving occasional interviews and staging elaborate press events to showcase government accomplishments. The tactics worked: The president enjoyed widespread popularity and was considered virtually invincible.

But the chief justice, Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry, loomed as a potential obstacle because he was expected to rule on cases that could complicate Musharraf`s plans to get himself elected for another five-year term by a lame-duck parliament.

On March 9, Musharraf invited cameramen to a meeting at which he expected Chaudhry to resign under pressure for alleged abuses of office. Instead, Chaudhry refused. The image of the judge moments before he stood up to the uniformed president became the first icon of the controversy.

The next came days later, when police raided Geo television`s office in Islamabad as the station tried to film protesters demonstrating against Chaudhry`s suspension. Tear gas filled the office, and police began beating journalists with batons, but the cameras continued to roll.

Two months later, in Karachi, Aaj`s office came under attack as demonstrators clashed in the streets outside in violence that would ultimately claim more than 40 lives. During six hours of live coverage, Aaj`s anchors repeatedly called for help from the police, to no avail, on a day when government security forces were widely blamed for standing by as the city burned.

A note on the Geo Web site Sunday said: ``The government has blocked the transmission of the Geo News TV channel across the country due to the reasons best known to them. . . .

``The citizens, social and political circles have condemned the ban on transmission of Geo News and they have demanded of the government to immediately lift ban on the transmission of the Geo News and give complete freedom to media in the country,`` it said.

The chief justice and his supporters have used television to their advantage, staging exuberant, day-long parades from one city to the next, earning them hours of continuous coverage.

By contrast, political observers say, the government has tried to use force and intimidation to end the controversy, but has consistently misjudged how its efforts would play on television. As a result, Musharraf`s problems have only intensified.

``What they did not take into account was that the crisis was going live to every bloody Pakistani household,`` said Aamer Ahmed Khan, Pakistan editor of the BBC World Service and a journalist here for more than two decades. ``That is what is making them nervous now.``

comrade masadi...what would mills says about your government fooling your people by quoting a figure that has no meaning when the real figure makes them out to look real bad...

we all know you blame abdul`s inability to seek life liberty and the pursuit of a goat/camel on the US, but without US aid, you`d be much much further behind...

Real income growth lags behind Asia

By Yousuf Nazar


Pakistan ranks as the seventh most dangerous country after Iraq, Sudan, Israel, Russia, Nigeria, and Columbia in a 121-nation study by the Economist Intelligence Unit.

While such rankings can be subjective (it may be the 10th or 11th), this is not good news for the government which claims that Pakistan has made unprecedented economic progress during its tenure, recording one of the highest GDP growth rates.

The reality is Pakistan’s per capita GDP growth has been one of the lowest in Asia and below the average of all low-income countries during 1999-2005, when measured in purchasing power parity terms as per the data in the World Bank’s Development Indicators released on April 15, 2007.

The government uses statistics to make claims that cannot stand simple logical test and independent validation. For example, it cites the rise in per capita GDP to $833 in 2006 to support its claim that incomes have doubled in the past 6-7 years and Pakistan will soon become a middle-income country. This is simply misleading. The analysis based on the World Bank’s statistics reveals the true picture of the economic growth in Pakistan relative to the other developing countries.

A widely recognised indicator of the level of prosperity is gross domestic product (GDP) on purchasing power parity (PPP) basis. Since nominal prices of different goods and services vary from country to country, this method of measurement neutralises those nominal differences by comparing what a similar basket of goods and services would cost in different countries. Hence, GDP measured on purchasing power parity basis is considered a more accurate measure of income level and standard of living.

As shown in the graph, Pakistan’s yearly per capita income growth rate was only 4.62 per cent during 1999-2005 and lagged behind not just India’s 7.3 per cent but also that of similar developing countries with large populations, like Indonesia, Turkey, and the Philippines. These growth rates were derived from GDP per capita data on purchasing power parity basis, as published by the World Bank.

While one-year data should not be used to comment on longer term trends, the above data for the six years belies government’s claims about one of the highest growth rates in the world and confirms the belief that the benefits of growth during the recent years have been somewhat eroded by a persistently high inflation. It is only logical that Pakistan with one of highest inflation rates in the developing world should see a slower growth in the real incomes and living standards when the rest of it is growing at 6-7 per cent with lower inflation averaging about 4-5 per cent compared to Pakistan’s 8-9 per cent. Hence these indicators are unlikely to change materially in one or two years.

Other important World Bank development indicators (2005) also confirm the view that Pakistan remains behind its peers as shown below:

Among this select group, Pakistan has the lowest per capita income in purchasing power terms, the lowest primary school enrolment rate, the highest infant mortality rate, the lowest electricity consumption per capita ( a measure of progress as well as industrialisation), and the highest level of military spending as a per cent of GDP. This is not surprising except for one indicator. Contrary to the widely held view among apologists and supporters of military dictatorships, the real per capita income is not only higher in India but the gap has increased since 1999. In that year, India’s per capita income was 25 per cent higher than Pakistan’s and in 2005 it was 46 per cent higher in purchasing power parity terms.

This is not to say that Pakistan has not made any progress but to put it in a more realistic perspective beyond a narrow set of indicators like GDP growth, bank lending, consumption, foreign investments, etc. Progress in GDP growth terms has been good for most periods when military ruled the country. Yet, after the end of every military regime, the so-called progress turned out to be a bonanza that benefited a few at the expense of critical national development priorities while exacerbating social and regional polarisation.

Assuming the elections will be held as per schedule even though the possibility of the imposition of emergency or even martial law cannot be completely ruled out, it is an appropriate time to judge the performance of this regime in the context of Pakistan history that has revolved around a debilitating cycle of military intervention, half-hearted reforms, failure, demoralisation and breakdown. We now appear to be passing through the disenchantment and demoralisation phase.

Hitherto friendly international media has turned negative and some leading American papers have commented editorially on the gravity of the crisis. The New York Times in its May 23 editorial commented, “A succession of uniformed dictators has misruled Pakistan for more than half of its 60-year history. All have advertised themselves as great friends of Washington, but all have fanned extremism while discrediting America`s reputation among ordinary Pakistanis. There is no security with General Musharraf. The United States belongs on the side of Pakistani democracy.”

Never mind the crisis, the prime minister’s statements about the state of the economy and its prospects appear to be oblivious of worsening macro economic indicators and of growing anxiety in the street and the ‘bazaar’. It is claimed this year’s GDP growth will touch seven per cent, but the credibility of the government’s statistics is seriously questionable.

According to its own data, inflation and exports target are going to be missed, development spending level is way short of target, current account deficit is forecast to reach 5.5-6 per cent of the GDP, and large scale industrial production growth has slowed down to eight per cent compared to 10 per cent in 2006, notwithstanding the fact the Federal Bureau of Statistics has not released quarterly manufacturing data after the first quarter of the current fiscal year as it did in the past.

The stock market continues to rise, charges about manipulation notwithstanding, but the foreign investors’ buying has reduced to a trickle (about $5 million during May) after hitting a peak of $112 million during March 2007 and dropping to $52 million in April. Government borrowings have almost trebled to Rs212 billion during the current fiscal year from Rs73.5 billion last year. The crowding out of the funds to the private sector, accompanied by a more than 100 basis points increase in the average lending rate during the past year, cannot but negatively affect the growth in the next twelve months.

Given the below average growth in rural areas and the concentration of 50 per cent of the urban population in the six largest cities to which bulk of the so-called ‘trickle down” seems to have been taken place; the high food inflation, growing income inequality and ostentatious consumption have only served to alienate the lower and lower middle income groups from the current regime.

According to a public opinion poll conducted by the International Republican Institute (IRI) in March 2007, the economic issues received a much higher intensity of responses than did the non-economic issues with 92 per cent of Pakistanis terming inflation as the most important issue followed by unemployment (85 per cent). The country needs to face more fundamental questions of far reaching implications in the coming months in what is supposed to be an election year. The opposition parties should offer concrete and comprehensive programmes to address core economic issues instead of merely criticising the government for its failures.

With the growing political uncertainty, the economic growth in Pakistan faces greater risks compared to its Asian competitors given its much higher dependency on foreign exchange flows including remittances, investments and aid in that order. The foreign investors’ buying of stocks has slowed, the privatisation programme is in trouble and the property market in Karachi is quiet. The biggest risk is the General will use the spreading disorder and the actions of an increasingly assertive judiciary and lawyers` community as justification to tighten the autocratic grip on power. This may cause the foreign capital flows to dry up, trigger a fall in stock and property markets, exacerbate the current account position, and increase pressure on an over-valued rupee to depreciate.

A beleaguered administration is not in a position to impose new taxes and may find it difficult to contain the budget deficit at the current level. Neither it can afford to make big cuts in the development expenditure and is therefore likely to borrow more or print money. This will keep the upward pressure on interest rates to the detriment of the overall economy.

Even if the General manages to come out of this crisis, it may come at a cost of sharing increased power with the politicians with his authority considerably weakened in the process. In this scenario, although the overall direction of the economic policies is unlikely to change, the uncertainty will not disappear as any alliance between the generals and the ‘liberal’ parties may serve to unite the rest of the opposition and provoke them into challenging the government with even greater force. In any event, a greater period of uncertainty seems to lie ahead and will continue to cast its long shadow on the economy until the current crisis resolves.

yousufnazar@yahoo.com

#283 by aslam644 on June 3, 2007 2:56pm PT


The Pakistani invasion of Europe has started


yeah...they`re really looking forward to that...

Europe`s invisible illegals
Pakistanis are coming to Europe in big numbers; authorities worry they`re bringing terror with them.

Terror Threats?: Would-be illegal Pakistani immigrants at the Canary Islands

By Christopher Dickey
Newsweek International

June 11, 2007 issue - When Italian police arrested 28 illegal Pakistani immigrants in Naples four years ago, authorities claimed they`d broken up a Qaeda cell plotting to attack nearby NATO installations. After all, the raid had turned up a Pakistani newspaper with a picture of a visiting British officer. The cops also found explosives, detonators, maps, false identity papers and dozens of mobile phones. But less than two weeks later, all the suspects had been freed for lack of solid-enough evidence. Prosecutors, who`d had little experience with such new immigrants, just couldn`t make the charges stick.

``They were all innocent,`` says Ejaz Ahmad, the editor of an Urdu-language monthly in Rome who acted as translator at the court hearing. Most of the Pakistanis were street vendors. The explosives were more like fireworks, he says. ``And now,`` he adds, ``all 28 are working in Italy.``

The case may have been a failure for the local cops, but it did establish one thing: just how nervous European authorities are becoming about burgeoning Pakistani populations in places—such as Italy, Spain and France—where there were few or none at all just a few years ago. Now numbering in the hundreds of thousands, many of these Pakistanis have sneaked onto the Continent via Iran, Turkey and the Balkans. They`ve also begun taking a circuitous route across Africa and then by ship to Spain`s Canary Islands or the Mediterranean coasts of Europe. Almost overnight, Pakistani neighborhoods have sprung up in Barcelona and Bologna.

Re: # 274

Massaddi Mian:

``It is not about you or I or your sprinkler guy who is well known to all here thanks to your over generalized (and thus BS) Horatio Alger story about him,....``

Stop taking Religio-Social opium, so that your mind can get out of the hang over to think, and open your eyes. This is not an isolated example, Reliance, Infosys among many in the Sub continent, and many examples are in Silicon Valley.

``...you`d be very selfish to ignore such a system`s effect short term and a fool to think you`re or your kids are immune from the effects of such a disastrous system, long term...``

Follow my above advise and try to read and understand phenomenon of upward mobility. I truly feel for the kids you are corrupting and spoiling their ability to dream. If you are unable to read, accept someone as your guru to teach you.

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Massaddi Mian:

``....neither does he recognize the trick of the US companies whose items, manufactured abroad but sent back home are shown as ``imports``, thus all the relocated manufacturing concerns of the US contribute to the fictional so-called ``trade deficit`` with the poor nation... ``

Is this all you have learned and now teaching in Pakistan? What did they do to deserve, they honestly went their to get education, and parents think their sons and daughters are getting. Pathetic split toungue talker, faking as a teacher.

Echoboom #284

Thanx brother for condolences. May Allah bless you for that.

aslam #283 The good thing is that the average Pakistani is better than those leading the nation or seeking to lead it. So, they contribute in a positive way to wherever they go (with the bus bombers of UK being the exception that proves the rule).

btw, I read your posts on the other board addressed to me on the subject of the UK labor party. That was quite educational for me, and no doubt the labor party deserves credit for helping UK get back on its feet after WWII and also to adjust in a smooth and realistic manner to the end of the British Empire. If only the duds we have as leaders had half the commitment to their nation as the british (or indeed any other country, including India - where a succession of prime ministers has propelled that nation forward while we are still struggling to have these generals get the hell out of the positions of political power they arrogated to themselves through force).

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hamidm: Do not argue with a fool, they say, since people may not be able to tell the difference between the two.

PS: Sorry, I could not resist the above seeing that every post you address to masadi starts with the honorific ``fool`` the same way every post from him starts with something similar.

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The Pakistani invasion of Europe has started

In Spain, a Pakistani like Usman Yasar, a 29-year-old construction worker, can settle comfortably into a regional capital like Logroño in La Rioja. He plays cricket and eats curries served from shop windows. He gets help if there`s a problem with his documents at the Asociación Pakistaní de la Rioja. In a region of 300,000 people, Yasar`s countrymen now number more than 6,000. Official statistics place the total number of Pakistanis in Spain at more than 40,000, where 15 years ago their numbers were negligible. And the real count could be much higher. ``We may have the biggest population of Pakistanis in Europe after Great Britain,`` says a top law-enforcement official in Madrid.``
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19000112/site/newsweek/page/2/

Govt blocks transmission of Geo News
Updated at 2250 PST
KARACHI: The government has blocked the transmission of the Geo News TV channel across the country due to the reasons best known to them.

The viewers’ calls flooded the Geo office to ask that why the transmission of Geo News TV channel was suddenly suspended when the famous programme, “Meray Mutabik” was going on.

The calls of the viewers were received from various parts of the country. According to Geo News sources the government has blocked the transmission of the Geo News across the country.

Geo transmission was blocked in various parts of Islamabad, Lahore, Hyderabad, Karachi and other areas.

The citizens, social and political circles have condemned the ban on transmission of Geo News and they have demanded of the government to immediately lift ban on the transmission of the Geo News and give complete freedom to media in the country.

#273 by masadi on June 3, 2007 11:10am PT


What indicators do you want to show me fool?


HDI?

BTW, masadi....I heard you are back working for the peon factory...

what`s up with that?

#277 by masadi on June 3, 2007 11:52am PT


I am quoting human poverty indicators that describe tens of millions in India, over 86% live below $2 a day, many to most of them below $1 a day


The fact that millions of people have outsourcing related jobs has exactly what to do with the people living in poverty? Did anyone claim that outsourcing had totally wiped out poverty...

Is it your contention that because there are people living on less than 2$/day, India should completely give up it`s outsourcing industry? How does that help the people living on less than 1$/day? Isn`t that actually backwards....I know you`re a commie islamist and don`t believe in trickle down, but the people working in IT create a demand for construction that help people at the lowest levels...

Re: # 277

masadi,

...... i don`t have the time to educate a fool like you but tata steel, reliance industries and bharat forge are not american companies .......... the last time i sourced precision injection molded parts, more than ten indian companies responded and two of them won a substantial part of the business ............ all this while you are spewing hatred and preaching the virtues of mills to your `students` in pakistan - the poor fools don`t have a chance

hamid writes <<< you are a pathetic delusional fool !........... >>>>

I am quoting human poverty indicators that describe tens of millions in India, over 86% live below $2 a day, many to most of them below $1 a day, and this idiot quotes figures that benefit only the corporate elite some in India, though most in the West, neither does he recognize the trick of the US companies whose items, manufactured abroad but sent back home are shown as ``imports``, thus all the relocated manufacturing concerns of the US contribute to the fictional so-called ``trade deficit`` with the poor nation... We know who the real fools are, they are the ones who give examples of their gardener and sprinkler guy while ignoring the fate forced on the very vast majority of humankind...

Re: # 273

masadi,

you are a pathetic delusional fool !........... the fact of the matter is that india`s exports to the us grew from 13B in 2003 to over $24B in 2006 including over 3B in engineered products like automotive parts (and that does not include services like engineering, r&d and back office)......... the us trade deficit with india was over $10B ............. on top of that us companies like ibm, hp, gm and ge have hired tens of thousands of indian professionals at high salaries that continue to grow at an alarming rate (alarming for employers and customers) ........... the indian middle class continues to grow and soon there will be a starbucks on every corner in bangalore - remember, starbucks is the gold standard of prosperity and civilization ..........

......... and all this while you are still struggling with manufacturing suicide belts that work .......... i know that you are bitter that you can`t get a real job, but you should have gone to a better school and worked harder instead of feeling sorry for yourself ............... you can do it even now - send for a mail order phd from pacific coastal and i am sure dr ata will give you a job ......... but for god`s sake, stop whining

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hamid writes <<< masadi, ......... i wish i could share your angst which, i can tell, is killing you ...... but i honestly can`t becausse............. been `berry berry good` to me and my sprinkler guy from domeli, district rawalpindi >>>

It is not about you or I or your sprinkler guy who is well known to all here thanks to your over generalized (and thus BS) Horatio Alger story about him, it is about the vast majority of humankind struggling to survive within a system dominated by the US elite, over half live in extreme poverty and the rest live marginal lives, the toys and trinkets and infrastructure you see that so impresses you serves only the very very few among the world`s population, you`d be very selfish to ignore such a system`s effect short term and a fool to think you`re or your kids are immune from the effects of such a disastrous system, long term.

Inspite of the vile sh** coming from your pervertedly sick mind time and again, I feel there might be some atom of decency and conscience based on justice and truth in that dung infested mind of yours that is why I spend time answering your ignorant posts, but I think I might have overestimated the ``good`` in you. Think about it tonight while sipping your favourite beverage...

Chaltahai writes <<< There is no co-relation between US being tied to the ruling insitution or not tied to the ruling institution for a country to fail. How many examples would you like? The fault lies with Pakistanis and pakistanis alone >>>

I see you are boasting about your unnamed institution but unfortunately they didn`t instruct you on the correct spelling of correlation. There is indeed correlation between the position of a country in the global division of labor and its economic, political, and military relationship with the developed world and their level of development. Your unnamed instituion didn`t teach you that as well. Give me ONE example of a country that maintained the same old institutional structure dominated by the US elite, doing its deeds while ignoring its own masses and then developing consistently as a result. There is not a single example. There are examples to the contrary and we have the long history of colonization and now neo-colonization that works through such institutions to keep a country underdeveloped, mass robbery wouldn`t be possible otherwise. We have not only implicit evidence but explicit evidence of leaked plans like Project Camelot, and recently the US barbaric invasion of Iraq using all BS excuses in the book that provide ample evidence on what these higher terrorists plan and want.

Then this idiot writes:

<<< what happened when china and INdia had ``unaligned themselves`` from the ``US dominated economic system``...their citizens hurt the most >>>

There is zero proof that poverty in these regions was worse when they were unaligned, and there is ample evidence that their unalignment saved them during the lost decades of the third world and even more evidence that the ``West`` has become interested in them because they achieved more development in human and industrial terms that makes them more valuable today to those that would rob them. Get your facts straight, illiterate fool rather than teach me or tell me to see HDI indicators or threaten me with ``examples`` which are ``missing``, HDI does not measure or compare poverty among nations, find out what it is composed of before trying to tell me look at it, you have no clue, I know

The percent of the population living below the poverty level is much worse in India than in Pakistan given World Bank data, and given the data COMPOSING the human poverty Index of the UN, except for illiteracy numbers, India is worse off in all other indicators than Pakistan, worse in percent that wont survive till 40, worse in people having no access to clean water, Worse in underweight children. What indicators do you want to show me fool?

You fools, that tout the IT miracle are a disgrace regardless of the institution you attended, in fact your poverty situation is much worse than it was in the unaligned times, you all invent tricks to fool the people regarding nonsense poverty measures but you dont fool me and you dont fool international organizations like the UN.

When a country`s institutions, historically designed by the colonials and maintained in the same fashion by later relations with the neo colonials ensure that the vast majority of the people will live dependent lives in poverty regardless of cell phone showmanship and ring tones and what not, then those poor cannot be blamed for not having enough education to compete with those that are born in privilage, they cannot be expected to have the same psychological outlook towards life that brings objective opportunities, they cannot be blamed because they are victims. And FOOLS like you, who talk big about their educational institutions, and I have beaten in grade point average all of you ``techie types`` during my educational career in the US, all of you, from India, Pakistan, China or whereever, even though I was putting in 60 hour work weeks while going to school full time, then have the audacity to teach me stuff, they don`t themselves know.

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Dear Aslam644 (My Hero),

Girls gone wild (GGW) in Pakistan, Mashallah. Did u notice the girl smooching adjusting her dupatta to protect her modesty. Goes to show cultural values are subject to conditoning and social pressures whereas human basic instincts are universal.

Re: # 267

You are my hero.....Jee rukh

#269 Aslam,
I was too quick to criticize. Upon further reflection, thanks to the fondness of Paki Punju men for the frontier culture as in PPI (Punjab/Pakhtoon Inc), is it any wonder that young Punju girls have to pleasure themselves? :)

Aslam #267.
Is this the opposite side of the Jamia Hifza hit record? Punju girls behaving badly. :)

Masadi writes: ``Just because you are illiterate does not mean your arguments hold water. If the US was so deeply connected to a ruling institution in a country that was leading it down the drain then you would see similar arguments coming out of the intelligent folk in both India and China. ``

There is no co-relation between US being tied to the ruling insitution or not tied to the ruling institution for a country to fail. How many examples would you like? The fault lies with Pakistanis and pakistanis alone..because they did build any other institutions for a country`s development outside the military. And as far my literacy goes, let me put it to you this way, you wouldn`t even be allowed to mop the floors of the insitutions where I studied. Middling GIT!

``There is a lot of criticism of the US policies coming out of both countries, just because you are naively unaware of it does not mean it doesn`t exist. When both India and China during a much longer priod of history than the current had unaligned themselves from the US dominated economic system, their logic was based on much the same arguments as mine.``

ANd what happened when china and INdia had ``unaligned themselves`` from the ``US dominated economic system``...their citizens hurt the most. Yet since 1978 and 1991, China and INdia respectively have been improving the lot of their citizens by integrating into the very ``US dominated economic system`` you lament. Go across HDI indicators, Financial indicators, Economic indicators..the number simply don`t support your assertion. And just becasue a few retarted khilafaites and latterday Engles think that their alternatives are better, it doesn`t mean that it is so.

``Regarding the world ``chugging along``, which world are you talking about, India? where more people per 100 live below the poverty rate than Pakistan? What kind of development is that? The world is going from bad to worse, the winners are just the select few handpicked Caucasian countries or a couple other US restructured and occupied countries, the rest of the world is in the gutter, some more than others. ``

Yes chugging along, from 1991 on out, India has been making important strides in improving the lot of it`s citizenry. Go check any indicator mentioned above. AS far as comparison to Pakistan..there is no comparison. the rate of growth and improvement in the lives of Indians is happening at a much more rapid pace than in Pakistan.

ANd before you come back with some stupid argument about income distribution and like..go read Jagdish Bhagwati (Kaleidoscope of Growth), the man will win a Nobel in Economics in the next 2 years. WHile you would be dancing about with glee at the thought of your third rate college having accepted your fourth rate ideas per the curiculum.

Re: # 266
#266 by hamidm2 on June 3, 2007 6:52am PT
hamidm
for all we know the girls at jamia hafsia might be doing what these are…..astagferullah

Re: # 265

tahmed,

amen, brother ......... actually i am more concerned about the high incidence of hoof and mouth disease among humans in nwfp (you can see some of it on chowk) ....... i think we should pass this `temporary` marriage law as soon as possible to protect our people and, more importantly, protect our farm animals from human predators ..........

rf/hamidm: whatever you say, the fact is that muslim men mess around no more and no less than any other men. Using the incidence of AIDs as an indicator of promiscuity, its relatively low prevalence in Pakistan relative to most third world countries should mean something.

But dont let me spoil the fun with stupid things like facts.... :-)

zeemax #256: The vast majority of countries in the world today have reasonably free and fair elections. So, I think time is on the side of those who seek the same in Pakistan. Whether it will happen as an immediate result of the current effort led by the CJP and supported by all political parties, or whether this attempt will fail, who knows. If it fails that would be terrible, but one point has already been made - the people of Pakistan have the spirit of a free people, and will not be enslaved forever by those with the biggest guns. It is a question of time before Pakistan comes back on track and joins the free nations of the world, rather than becoming another miserable general-ruled state like Burma.

Re: # 258

Iran is late to recognize this need, MISYAAR is already practiced in Soodi Arabia and similar arrangements have been sanctified by Jamia Azhar in Egypt for quite sometime. Blame the west for their debauchry, free sex and legalize the practice in your backyard to give an impression of piety, munafiqeen.

Most recently, a Professor from Jamia Al Azhar passed a fatwa regarding Na-Mehram problem allowing BREAST FEEDING for the male colleagues which will make them relatives. Fatwas and blessings such as these expose the male chauvinistic, misogynistic attitudes prevalent throughout the muslim world.

So, its good to be a muslim in the Moslem world, u can have multiple wives of various contracts, overnight, weekly, yearly Or simply take the kaneez in your left hand and boink boink. Now with breast feeding getting legalized for office workers, there will be no crime cause all men will be suckling their co-workers. Only ppl to lose will be the pe-max of this world, the parasites who have been suckling on moslem hate, they wull be out of business.

Re: # 255

Mr Besharam, Baghairat, Manjhay Ghamay Choora Number 1-Pee-Max (slave of wahabi lucifer), gandee naali ke keeray,

If ppl talk to u doesnt mean u sud forget your neech auqath, always remember your kammee zaath, never forget it otherwise ithnee phetee laganee hai thadee dadee nu yaad ajaiga....sumjhea phudee warka.

Chuttar, even kammee`s have the decency and fortitiude to understand a simple dialogue, u on the other hand are a complete chuttar.

Issue at hand was the misuse of blasphemy laws and their impact on minorities, thus the refeence to shantinagar massacre. Now take it and shove it up your big fat ass with sll the other bhumboos.

Re: # 260

zeemax,

....... personally i prefer the kaneez solution and have always supported the efforts to reconquer india, palestine and andalusia ......... our hindoo, jewish and christian friends might have a problem with it, but then they don`t realize the benefits of dhimmitude inspite of the fact that their women have to serve as comfort girls - ingrates! .......... i am also all for accepting women as gifts from vassal princes, potentates, business partners and clients .........

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007 06 03 story_3-6-2007_pg7_5

#258 by hamidm2,

But seriously hamidm2, let`s discuss it. Even though mutaa is controversial (I don`t know the authenticity of this report. Can you post the link?) but I believe it was practiced till Umar`s time. I don`t think it is practiced today even in Iran though a very small Shia minority sect may support the practice.

My take on this is that after conquests, Kaneezes replaced the need for mutaa, and four marriages replaced kaneezes. However, the need for multiple female sexual partners was recognized and fulfilled at each time and still is in case of upto four marriages (if one can do justice to all). Problem now is no one can afford to do justice to even a single wife let alone 2-3-4, so that results in brothels and/or adultery.

What`s the solution? What do you recommend? Is Mutaa okay because Kaneezes are out too?

#258 by hamidm2,

................. there is always a silver lining to every cloud - you just have to look for it ..

Good idea. That should cure my jihadiness as well. Jamia Hafsa is full up after your advice so may I send an application to you? What`s your address? I promise to bring ice cream cones ...

.........islam has solutions for all human problems - here is a solution to the hafsa problem :

....... i have long maintained that most of the problems with the religious folks - headaches, muscle pains, mood swings, alcoholism, pedophilia and suicide bombings - stem from extreme sexual frustration and guilt ........... if catholic priests and nuns were allowed to have pseudo-conjugal relations, the church would not have the problem with their bishops molesting the choir boys ............. similarly, if we allowed the girls of hafsa to get into `temporary` marriages with the boys of fareedia and get it on, we could put an end to the mayhem in islamabad ........... after all it is allowed in islam :

TEHRAN: An Iranian cabinet minister said young people should be encouraged to get temporarily married to avoid illicit extramarital sex, newspapers reported on Saturday. “We should expect violations and repercussions if we do not practically respond to young people’s sexual needs,” the Kargozaran daily quoted Interior Minister Mostafa Pour-Mohammadi as saying. “Islam has solutions for all human problems and temporary marriage is a solution to this kind of problem,” the minister was quoted as telling a conference in Iran’s clerical capital of Qom. He said Iran should seek to promote the practice with “boldness” and urged seminary scholars to study the matter and come up with ways to “execute God’s command in society.” afp

................... there is always a silver lining to every cloud - you just have to look for it

... contd #256...

.... if there are free and fair elections, Nawaz Sharif will be back in power. There isn`t any doubt about that because only he fits in the multitudinous equation with the ability to reduce polarization between the Islamists and the liberals. Forget about BB. She`s a crook who has no credibility even amongst liberals let alone the Islamists.

Will you accept Nawaz Sharif as PM?

#254 by tahmed32,

This is a great post. I`m in full agreement.

The crux of the matter is free and fair elections. That my friend, will never be. There`ll only be elections if a controlled democracy is guaranteed, otherwise ther`ll be Martial Law, this time without any disguise or whatever.

So, eventually power has to be snatched through the barrel of the gun for the rule of the people, not by the rigged ballot.

But that`s my opinion. Yours will obviously differ.

#253 by rf786,

Abey hindoo/christain choorhey, who`s talking about any effing shantinagar here? You alleged something on Hafsa which you can`t defend. Now either answer #247 or forever remain silent !

Tumharey jaisey kanjar bohat dekhey hain ... ultey haath ki maar hain saaley haivaan ...

#252 zeemax: If there are free and fair elections, in a civilized society the legislature (call it parliament, call it majlis, words are not important) has the legitimate authority to formulate laws after proper debate, with suitable protection to certain basic rights of all individuals (along the lines of the US Bill of Rights. And in a civilized society, the Chief Justice (whoever it is at that time) is the legitimate authority to interpret these laws in case there is an issue. And in a civilized society, generals take their orders from a duly elected civilian authority, and not vice versa.

The important thing is the process, and let the pieces fall where they may. If th

The points you note are simply words and can be translated into action in any number of ways - you can call Pakistan an Islamic State and at one extreme interpret it to mean a civilized society (as described above) or it can be interpreted to mean a jahil society (where, e.g., the Chief Justice can be fired by a serving general, or a group of individuals can declare themselves to be spokesmen for God, as the religious leaders try to do in Pakistan). As such, these words dont mean anything by themselves.

The important thing is - that it is the people, through due process of debate, free press, proper elections, and the rule of law decide on these things. Not the guy with the smelliest beard or the biggest guns.

Re: # 250

Abay Jhakee Budhe,

Obfuscation, deceit, data mining is there anything that u have not mastered? You have done your master (Wahabi Lucifer) great credit by virtue of services rendered.

Read the post again u jackass, it refers to the ransack of Shantinagar, an atrocity committed by fellow muslims in the name of blasphemy. Now do the pee-max....bend over and raise your soiled dhoti for all to see the big A-Hole.

#251 by tahmed32,

Just a hypothetical question for you.

Whereas:

1) You support the CJ movement for upholding of law, justice and the constitution.

2) You support replacing of the military administration with democratic institutions.

3) You support freedom of expression, assembly, and media.

Now the question is, if tomorrow this same CJ says:

1) ``The preamble of the constitution guarantees Islamic injunctions;

2) The Article 1 describes the State as `Mamlukat -e- Khudad-e-Pakistan;

3) The Article 2 proclaims the State Religion to be Islam;

4) The `Parliament` is just an acronym for `Majils-e-Shura` as desribed in the constitution.

Will you still support him?

:~)

zeemax/rf: aoa, gentlemen.

take a break
and celebrate...

as the judge marches on for justice...

PS: Who knows where all this is leading to. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. But at least for now, Pakistan is on the right track, and hope the generals behave themselves and God watches out for our beloved nation.

CJ gets rousing welcome: 14-hour drive from Islamabad to Abbottabad

Jhootey bismillah hindoo ... tujhe tau mein ghar tak chorr kar aaon ga ... now answer me. Who registered a case on insufficient evidence because as you quote `one complainant wasn`t there and the other denied the accusation`?

No obfuscation, clutching straws, hiding behind inanities, or sobbing for mercy or anything like that.

Just a straight answer :)

#248 by rf786,

Mr radio-frequency ... then who did you mean registered a case with insufficient evidence as a knee-jerk reaction? Obviously you meant the PIMS administration. Isn`t that correct?

Re: # 247

Abay BUTT Sahib

Where have I said that fir was lodged by JH or anyone for that matter....apnay gunahon kee mafee mang ke shaaid thera bhulla hojai...chuttar

#244 by rf786,

....immediate kneejerk reaction to register cases even though there is sufficient evidence to suggest otherwise....

Under what pressure was the PIMS administration to file the criminal complaint themselves without sufficient evidence or did they do it as a knee jerk reaction? It means you are accusing the management of PIMS and not the Hafsa girls. That is good news.

I mean, to clarify, the FIR was lodged by the Deputy Administrator of PIMS, and not by the Jamia Hafsa girls so your argument has just bitten you in the butt, Sir.

:~)

#242 by Folio,

From above it`s clear that what u `preach` here is a big BS

Imam-e-Kaaba Shaikh Abdur Rehman al-Sudais is a sarkari Maulvi appointed by the Saudi kings. He is no religious authority. It is in fact quite funny that the `enlightened` government has invited him and taking him all over the place, making him issue statements towards `moderation`, when the same government was inviting people from all over to participate in mixed marathons (not that I have anything against those) and sending the female sports minister for para jumps in Paris (not that I`m against that either) just yesterday.

The Imam`s visit is solely to convince people that Jamia Hafsa is wrong according to Sharia, which is false. Imam Ka`aba knows very well what`s going on in his own country, but issuing `gol mol` edicts in Pakistan to bail out the government groveling at his feet and which gave him the `state guest` status after arriving in Pakistan on a private visit on the invitation of just the Punjab government, but only after he had issued a few such statements.

He`s just being nice to his hosts at their request. That`s all. Few will be fooled by that.

What happened 10 years ago South of Khanewal cannot be forgotten, an act of religious persecution where the victim has never been compensated or given justice:

Press Release 12 February 1997

Church Burned As Violence Flares Again In Pakistan

Two Christian villages have been attacked and churches burned by a hostile Muslim mob in a series of violent incidents on Thursday 6 February.

Jubilee Campaign were given first hand reports of the situation from a local Pakistani church leader who asked not to be named for security reasons.

The violence erupted after a mosque in Khanewal - about 200 miles south of Lahore - broadcast that pages had been torn out from the Koran and blasphemous words had been scribbled on the religious text.

Local Muslims marched on two Christian villages, Shanti Nagar and Bhootabad, threatening villagers, however the police dispersed the crowd peacefully. The mob returned the following day and, this time, police were unable to stop the violence.

* About 1500 Christian homes were burned. This comprises of 60-80% of homes in the area.

* Three churches were raided. In Khanewal, a Roman Catholic Church and an ARB (American Reformed Presbyterian) Church of Pakistan were burned and severely damaged; in Shanti Nagar, a Salvation Army Church was attacked.

* Christian facilities including a hospital, a hostel, and a dispensary (run by the Salvation Army) were also attacked.

* Approximately 100 Christians were hospitalised.

* Two Muslims were killed when police fired on the mob.

News reports claimed that the military had cordoned off both villages and imposed a curfew which was still in force more than twenty four hours after the incident

Re: # 243

Other side of the story is always nonsense to those who wish to push their agenda, thats why we have episodes like the ransacking of Shantinagar.

Word blasphemy for any minority in Pakistan means persecution and death, state has also failed to defend their citizens thus the immediate kneejerk reaction to register cases even though there is sufficient evidence to suggest otherwise.

#241 by rf786,

Arrey bhai if one complainant was not present and the other denied, then how come the PIMS administration itself lodged the criminal report ?????????

I didn`t miss that but it is obviously nonsense and didn`t comment.

Think .... and deduce ... :)

For Zeemax:

1. Imam-e-Kaaba Shaikh Abdur Rehman al-Sudais has ardently appealed to the Lal Masjid administration to give up the path it has adopted for the past few months

2. He said Islam does not allow violence, terrorism and use of force. The religion teaches mutual compassion and emphasises on love and affection.

3. Quoting the Holy Prophet (PBUH), Al-Sudais said that the ``air of heaven would not touch anybody who would kill a non-Muslim covered by an agreement.``

4. ``No individual can or has the right to declare and wage Jihad.``

5. When the Holy Prophet (PBUH) did not have power in Makkah, he acted differently and when he had power in Madina, he proceeded in a different fashion.``

(http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=8279)

From above it`s clear that what u `preach` here is a big BS.


Kaalachakra,

I hope u stop patronising Zeemax, a pseudo namaazi.

---

Anyone with knwoledge of Pakistan can explain this:

The main photograph on the front page shows the `foremr` CJP with the flags of Pakistan and that of Supreme Court of Pakistan.

Q. Does any ousted CJ had powers to use these powerful symbols of the state of Pakistan when he`s not in power? Was it part of his penchant for `misusing` his powers?

Re: # 240

{desecrated verses of ‘Bismillah’ and Dua for eating and drinking fixed on the notice board of a classroom....}

This is just one ``alleged`` version, there is another side of the story that u have chosen to ignore for your personal agenda.

``one of the students was not present at that time while the other denied Jamia Hafza students’ claim``

Balance is extremely important in Islam, maybe u missed that perspective in your wahabi teachings.

#239 by rf786,

1. Who is the desecrator here? Was the Dua written over the cross or the cross made over the dua?

Mr. RadioFrequencyBismillah, do you mean the cross was there first on the classroom notice board and someone wrote Dua over it? Read below what you reproduced:

.....desecrated verses of ‘Bismillah’ and Dua for eating and drinking fixed on the notice board of a classroom....

LoL

Re: # 178

Alleged desecration with one student refuting JH claims. Question that needs to be asked:

1. Who is the desecrator here? Was the Dua written over the cross or the cross made over the dua?



Nursing school head, students suspended
By Munawer Azeem

ISLAMABAD, June 2: Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (Pims) administration has suspended the principal and a teacher of a nursing school along with seven students for committing violation of rules and regulations on Friday night, sources told Dawn.

However, Pims Executive Director Dr Fazle Hadi claimed that the administration had suspended five Muslim and Christian students besides the principal and a teacher.

He said an FIR had been lodged with Margalla police station against unidentified people who allegedly desecrated verses of ‘Bismillah’ and Dua for eating and drinking fixed on the notice board of a classroom.

An inquiry into the incident is being conducted by Prof Anwarul Haq, however, the suspension of seven people had been carried out for their alleged violation of rules, he added.

The executive director said the students of Jamia Hafza, who came to the school on Friday, claimed that they were informed about the incident by two Muslims students who asked them to visit the school.

However, one of the students was not present at that time while the other denied Jamia Hafza students’ claim, he added.

On the other hand, the college principal, Stella Lazir, told Dawn that the administration suspended 10 people, including seven Christian students, without having any prove against them about the violation.

She said the inquiry into the incident was still under progress and the move to suspend the students, a teacher and principal was illegal.

She said about 75 per cent of the students were Muslims and there was a strong possibility that ‘outsiders’ were involved in the incident.

The suspended principal said the desecration of holy verses occurred on May 17 during her absence as she was on holiday from May 14 to 23.

The administration and the acting principal, Irshad Begum, overlooked this issue probably because exams were being held in the school at that time, she added.

Ms Lazir said she was informed about the incident on May 27 and the next day she talked to the students about the issue

#228 by tahmed32,

...betraying his ignorance of the fundamentals of democracy, the writer betrays his ignorance of the fundamentals of the Quran as well.

Tahmed saheb, he knows perfectly well what he`s talking about, and so do I. However I concede he wouldn`t have a clue about ``tahmedyat``, just as I don`t have a clue about ``ahmedyat`` i.e. without the `t`, which I hope is a pardonable offense :)

#227 by Urstruly,

You beat me to it. I was going to post the same:)

What clear thought. Afreen s`ud Afreen. I particularly enjoyed Ghazi`s definition of ``By the people, of the people, for the people`` as `` enslaving people to other people with the people`s consent``; and that Islam quite on the contrary brings people out of slavery of another man into slavery of Allah alone.

I had earlier tried to explain this concept by saying ``Fear of Allah`` actually does not mean quivering in Allah`s fear and trying to obtain His pleasure, but in fact ``Fear of no Man`` including the `Haqim-e-Waqt`.

hey manto..tell us more about the free paki media now...

ha ha...


Channels barred from airing shows on CJ issue



By Amir Wasim


ISLAMABAD, June 2: Enraged by media coverage of the ongoing judicial crisis, the government on Saturday stopped satellite TV channels from telecasting programmes, including live talk shows and discussions, on the issue of the presidential reference against Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.

The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority sent a carefully-drafted letter to the managements of the private TV channels to inform them of the decision to ban TV coverage of the events related to the chief justice.

Interestingly, Pemra also issued a press release later in the afternoon regarding the award of licence to DawnNews TV in which it claimed that no ban had been imposed on live coverage of programmes.

The Pemra letter to the TV channels, a copy of which is available with Dawn, states: “No programme shall be aired which (i) is likely to encourage and incite violence or contains anything against maintenance of law and order or which promotes anti-national and anti-state attitude; (ii) contains anything which amounts to contempt of court; (iii) contains aspersions against the judiciary and integrity of the armed forces of Pakistan; (iv) maligns or slander any individual in person or certain groups, segments of social, public and moral life of the country; and is against basic cultural values, morality and good manner.”

“You are, therefore, advised to refrain/desist from relaying programmes which deviate (from) Pemra laws and Code of Conduct. Non-implementation of the directives in this respect shall invoke legal action under Pemra Ordinance 2002 and rules/regulations made there under,” says the letter carrying the signature of Pemra director-general (enforcement) Rana Altaf Majid.

In the letter, Pemra accuses TV channels of constantly violating the code of conduct. It “regrets” that some broadcasters are still engaged in showing “gruesome/gory scenes of mutilated bodies of tragic incidents of terrorism creating fear and unrest in the society which serves the purposes of the terrorists”.

It says Pemra has always believed in self-regulation and self-correction. The authority, it says, expects maturity and a sense of responsibility from the broadcasters.

“In clear disregard of the orders of the Supreme Court of Pakistan and Pemra laws and code of conduct, the broadcasters are running live talk shows and discussions on the chief justice’s reference which is sub judice.”

With apparent reference to the live telecast of the addresses of the chief justice to various bars and with particular reference to the seminar of the Supreme Court Bar Association on May 26, the letter says: “In the recent past, some channels telecast live speeches which blatantly violated Pemra’s code of conduct.”

It is worth mentioning that several federal and state ministers have also been participating in the talk shows on the CJ issue, but the Pemra letter has no mention about participants of the programmes.

Prof. Hoodbhoy is not doing his work of teaching atom bomb science. But he is playing politics openly and giving comfort to recist and antiMQM criminals. Can prof be disciplined for taking part in politics and defaming university reputaion instead of getting inviolved in higher studies about atomic science. President as a chancellor of univ should fire prof for not doing job and taking part in politics. If he does not teach lesson then he is too generous. Hope he does not make deal with corruption empress of pakistan BB to get elected. He will get elected and will fire stupid and ungrateful elected officials.

This prof. is danger to pakistan by openly writing against army and govt of pakistan and inciting violence and preaching hate politics

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urstruly,

..... i just finished watching the pistons get their butts whupped by the cavaliers and now i hear that you have been calling me a musalli ......... this is depressing .......but you should be ashamed of making fun of musallis, kumars, chumars and other lower caste people because, more than likely your grandpa ramchandar, like my grandpa gopinath, belonged to one of these clans ....... a brahmin or any other upper class hindoo with a pot to piss in had no need or desire to convert to an alien religion ........... and just because he converted and took on the first name of a bedouin prophet, does not make you a syed or a qureshi - just try migrating to mecca .........

............ and please stop pasting all this urdu shurdu stuff on this english medium board like an ordinary urdu medium scallywag .......... it is beneath you ...

Pervez Hoodbhoy`s fellow member of faculty is freed from jail: