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Pakistan – The Threat From Within

Pervez Hoodbhoy May 31, 2007

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#377 Posted by masadi on June 7, 2007 10:08:25 am
chaltahai writes <<< no one and I mean no one in India or outside will deny that the market reforms taken after 1991 have been the best thing that have happened for the Indian citizenry. >>>

I am denying it, and I am ONE, there are many others just here who will deny it, once again your post has zero evidence and many slogans and BS
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#376 Posted by Folio on June 6, 2007 6:53:39 pm
GT,

That`s hilarious but true in evey respect.
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#374 Posted by Folio on June 6, 2007 6:28:31 pm
GT,

I was there for 2006 batch 4 M.Sc.

We have 2 Bengali professors in our dept. I hardly attended seminars or guest lectures except the one by Prof. Daniel Bernhofen (specialist in Comparative Advantage, who taught us Intl Trade).

U know Clive Granger sounds very lovely. Dr. Tim Lloyd is reminiscent of Dr. Granger.

I think I shud be more reticent in ur presence (coy). Thanks.
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#375 Posted by GT on June 6, 2007 6:50:54 pm
Re: # 374 by Folio:

``I think I shud be more reticent in ur presence``

Please do not do as such .... disrespect, arrogance, pure intelligence, different perspectives, and `total time-waste` are some of the many features of chowk that attract me.
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#373 Posted by GT on June 6, 2007 6:18:58 pm
Folio,

Folio, the size of applicants do not imply that the selected candidates are `intelligent`. I shall dwell no longer on this issue as it is not that important to me. But what interests me is that you are from Nottingham. If so you might have seen me ;). I presented a seminar there (Theory) in the past. When?... I want to keep my identity secret ... to the extent possible.

By the way, lets say that Granger and I know each other.

Cheers.
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#372 Posted by Folio on June 6, 2007 5:19:34 pm
GT,

I dont know why Stiglitz said this (abt the World Bank). Even getting internship in the World Bank and IMF is very very difficult. There are more than 10K+ applicants for 34 or so internships. U can imagine how difficult it is? More over they take students form across as many countries as possible. We had an opportunity to hear a presentation from a World Bank official (ex-student of our Uni) at Nottingham University in 2006. (Btw, our Department produced one Nobel Laurate Dr. Clive Granger for Time Series; now prof emuritius at UCAL, San Diego).

Asadi,

The way u skip my questions, I dont have an iota of doubt in my mind that u screw-up the future of ur students with this dodgy attitude and dilatory tactics.

I asked u to prove if the US society had any social structure? Instead a picked-up a microscopic straw in the form of a title in one of the RK Merton`s books i/o proving that the US society is structured which u say breeds discrimination.

With ur background & education u`d have been a non-entity in ur society (US) and profession had the US has been as racist & discriminatory as the KSA.

I expect scholars to be honest in whatever they say. U must be a pretentious scholar.

Do write something that stands the test of scrutiny of else keep writing reams abt Qoran in noodle script, so that u can avoid our needling, stupid professor!
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#371 Posted by arjun2 on June 6, 2007 12:43:31 pm
#369 by chaltahai on June 6, 2007 12:08pm PT


fools like Masadi who decry US Elite


Masadi says his only prospects of gainful employment outside public dole is when the ``US elite`` hire him to supress Latin American democracies...
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#368 Posted by arjun2 on June 6, 2007 11:58:49 am
#364 by PewResearch on June 6, 2007 10:56am PT

please don`t quote that article and make masadi more uncomfortable...pakis are not on friendly terms with reality...
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#367 Posted by zeemax on June 6, 2007 11:25:57 am
#366 by chaltahai

A globally integrated market economy does not uplift the rural sector. But we can discuss it.

Has India planned something for it`s agricultural sector better than 2%+(-) growth next fiscal?
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#370 Posted by chaltahai on June 6, 2007 12:16:11 pm
Re: # 367: and as to your agricultural point. Shift in sectoral contributions to the GDP are inevitable. In absolute dollar and percentage terms the agricultural sector has been contributing greatly to the Indian growth story. Overtime, it will go down in percentage terms as it does in evey development scenario as manufacturing adn services make up the lions share of the output. Indian manufacturing sector is now growing at a double digit clip, more liberalization and looser employment laws will enable this to subsume a greater number of people from the agrarian economy. It happens everywhere, India is no different, it is simply used a different model than china to get to a sustained level of growth.
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#369 Posted by chaltahai on June 6, 2007 12:08:52 pm
Re: # 367: China used a FDI driven model to sustain growth. India has used a FII and domestic consumption led model to fuel it`s growth. India is where China was in the late 1980`s. Give it time. It will even out. Fact of the matter is that fools like Masadi who decry US Elite (whatever that is) for the ills of the world are misplacing their blame. It is infact the US leadership in pushing for globalization and market based economies that have had the biggest benefit on the poor of the world. compare poverty rates in India and China pre-WWII, 10 yrs post-WWII, and 15 years post reforms in both countries.
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#365 Posted by zeemax on June 6, 2007 11:01:21 am
#363 by chaltahai,

Not meaning to butt in but give masadi a break. To get at the reality of your ``tremendous change in the health, wealth and educational fortunes of Indians across the socioeconomic spectrum``, compare the balancing of sectoral growth in China with yours.
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#366 Posted by chaltahai on June 6, 2007 11:19:26 am
Re: # 365: Zeemax, that is exactly the point. Masadi is decrying the US Model of capitalism led growth as an anathema to the poor around the world. But it was exactly that this model that the chinese in 1978 and Indians in 1991 adopted and the results are hugely infavor of a globally integrated market economy
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#363 Posted by chaltahai on June 6, 2007 10:24:48 am
Masadi, you Fool, no one and I mean no one in India or outside will deny that the market reforms taken after 1991 have been the best thing that have happened for the Indian citizenry. Non-alignment and socialist policies and license raj of 40 years made hardly a dent in the social condition of Indians. Yet in a brief span of 15 years of market led reforms, we have seen a tremendous change in the health, wealth and educational fortunes of Indians across the socioeconomic spectrum
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#362 Posted by arjun2 on June 6, 2007 10:09:42 am
#361 by masadi on June 6, 2007 9:48am PT


A lot, Project Camelot that wanted to ensure a booming US economy by dominating Latin American countries


Ok...so we`ve found one use for sociologists:according to you, they are needed by imperial powers who want to dominate poor countries....

so what`s this conscience thing you want me to get and where can I get a good deal on it?
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#361 Posted by masadi on June 6, 2007 9:48:34 am
Arjun writes <<< what productive value does a sociologist - especially a failed one - bring to the economy? >>>

A lot, Project Camelot that wanted to ensure a booming US economy by dominating Latin American countries didn`t ask for economists to devise plans in which ``utility`` might be maximized,nooo they didn`t do that, they knew better they were tying to hire sociologists, alright, and on the flip side sociologists that know the workings of the whole (i.e. structure) can better educate the masses to demand their due from the system and thus give them life, health and political power through consciousness, as well as prevent economic collapse due to capitalist anarchy. Need more reasons to study sociology? Of course not because the damn fool that you are, you`d sell your mama for a few bucks and that would be a fine addition to any ``economy``. Get a conscience fool,.....
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