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#56 by Folio on June 6, 2007 6:08pm PT
NB,

Ur point is well taken.

Aslam,

I dont mind contributing whatever I can but I cant do it to the Org u are saying but to the Govt in Kashmir. I want to benefit Indian Kashmiris first.

I wont brag abt this but I was impressed by the house rebuilding done by Islamic Relief committee at Naroda Patiya (I made a 4-figure donation myself). Despite getting killed by the so called Hindu leaders & mobs, this Commitee rebuilt some houses for the Hindus in Naroda Patiya, whose houses were also destroyed on that fateful day.

Goodness promotes goodnes.

Btw I was so enraged by the latest story where an aspiring Jet Airays pilot (Kashmiri) was jailed & tortured in Delhi jail on the pretext of being a terrorist. The email msg to the PM ended with this punchline (www.pmindia.nic.in).

`Sir, be prepared for him to be another militant.`

My guestimate is that the police and army produce 30-40% of militants by their pigheaded nature.

U`d have seen on TV recently how some women and old man were brutally beaten in MP or Chattisgarh. U know, Indian police are BASTARDS. They behave alike - either in Kashmir, Chatisgarh or Delhi.

U`d have seen on TV how some women and old man were brutally beaten in MP or Chattisgarh. U know, Indian police are BASTARDS. They behave alike - either in Kashmir, Chatisgarh or Delhi.

NB,

Ur point is well taken.

Aslam,

I dont mind contributing whatever I can but I cant do it to the Org u are saying but to the Govt in Kashmir. I want to benefit Indian Kashmiris first.

I wont brag abt this but I was impressed by the house rebuilding done by Islamic Relief committee at Naroda Patiya (I made a 4-figure donation myself). Despite getting killed by the so called Hindu leaders & mobs, this Commitee rebult some houses for the Hindus in Naroda Patiya, whose houses were also destroyed on that fateful day.

Goodness promotes goodnes.

Btw I was so enraged by the latest story where an aspiring Jet Airays pilot (Kashmiri) was jailed & tortured in Delhi jail on the pretext of being a terrorist. The email msg to the PM ended with this punchline.

`Sir, be prepard him to be another militant.`

My guestimate is that the police and army produce 30-40% of militants by their pigheaded nature.

U`d have seen how o TV some women and old man were brutally beaten in MP or Chattisgarh. U know, Indian police are BASTARDS. They behave alike - either Kashmir, Chatisgarh or Delhi.

How about we stick to the topic at hand?Folio, you do not need to defend the armed forces and the country to one Pakistani,regardless of what he says.
Aslam, do you have any ideas what happened to these men, who were POWs and protected by the Geneva Convention, which you quite correctly would want Guantanamo bay detainees protected by as well? If not, please send another article to chowk about the evil Indian forces in Kashmir.

Re: # 50

Aslam64 Mian:

Are you from Sheffield? I was a student in 1970-71 at Sheffield Univ. Lived nearby.

Let’s know the rotten truth behind Sadhbavana which surprisingly means Goodwill, comments Hassan Zainagiree



Operation Sadhbavana (Goodwill). An innocuous phrase which in semantic analysis reflects sympathy, love and brotherhood. A feeling of jelling together in sentiments and in hours of agony and miseries. To relieve the sufferer of the sufferings. To pull the victim out of the whirling vortex of political uncertainty. To empower the powerless. To support his genuine cause. To help him have his chin up. To make him assert his authority. To enable him to become the master of his own destiny.
A nation like ours which has always been at the receiving end of the history’s wrongs and has seen worst of the tragedies inflicted on her does need it as much, if not more, as other subjugated people. Battered and persecuted, tyrannized and victimized, we know the punch of the hammer hovering over our head. It will, indeed, serve a holy grail for us. We will look to those who “win (our) hearts as minds” as our messiahs. Indebted we would become to their humanistic approach. In wreaths of flowers we would greet them. In wails of joy we would lap them up. Tears of thanks we would offer….. Saviours, Saviours, have, finally, arrived! the bleeding Kashmir will chant.
But from whose hands the all-hyped Sadhbavana? From the respectable Amnety International? From the Doctors without Borders? From the Civil Liberty Unions? From Justice Sachars or Arun Dati Roys? No. it is the strategists in Delhi and their executors in Kashmir that provide mind and muscles to the operation.
Whereas Kashmiriyat, that is being used as a ploy to lull Kashmiris into sedative lullabies, make them reconcile with the status quo, submit meekly to the language of force and tailor ambitions according to the demands of the powerful, Sadbhavana is used as a strategic instrument in presenting the “soft, pro-people and more compassionate face” of the army. The “spirit”, as we are told, behind is that Indian security forces in Kashmir are ‘not enemies’ of Kashmiris, but ‘friends’. This instantly provokes one to ask, who they are? Of the two actors in armed confrontation, then only militants have to be degraded with the ‘enemy’ accusation. Do Kashmiris subscribe to this metaphor? Why there are demonstrations at the funeral of a militant killed/martyred in an encounter (killed you say; martyred Kashmiris say) and why huge gatherings by both factions of the Hurriyat are held at Mazar-e-Shohda (martyrs ground) Eidgah Srinagar, where martyrs are held in great reverence and great tribute is paid to them for their “sacrifices” (to which you call ‘terrorist activities’).
Safety to life and honor holds priority to everything else. Even two belligerent nations at war have to ensure the safety of the non-combatant citizens. Kashmir India claims as its ‘integral part’, though mass movement stands as a big caveat against the phantom hope. And it is here they are vulnerable and get exposed.
It is not the strategy and policy of Indian state towards militancy in Kashmir that determines its character-imperialistic or democratic-, it is, infact, its attitude and relationship towards innocent people of the disputed land that gives the portrait. 17 years of mass-uprising against Delhi in demand of its right to self determination, pledged by Indians and accepted by United Nations, stands testimony to the gruesome atrocities wrought on unarmed civilians to show how Delhi in imperialistic mould allowed the law enforcing agencies to blur the demarcation line. Hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris were butchered to death, maimed for life. Many were subjected to enforced disappearance and extra-judicial killing. Honor outraged, gang rapes committed. The Indian state instead of bringing the killers and criminals to justice protected them under Section 7 of the ASFPA, that makes them immune from the legal action. Let us not cite reports of Kashmir based Civil Society on ordeals Kashmiris have to go through. Last month a group of prominent human rights activist from different states of India visited Kashmir. B.K Blagopal of Human Rights Forum while addressing news personnel on May 11 in Srinagar said: ‘Outside J&K, the Indian state say normalcy has returned. But the ground situation here is different. The citizens here have no freedom. They enjoy that freedom which Indian army wants them to enjoy…. The J&K is under the army rule and no law in India permits martial law……’ (GK: 12 May 2007)
Guilt of conscience, one would have thought, Indian army was heavily smitten with that has provided it the motivational force to indulge into Sadhbavana and make the amends. But it is amazing to see since the “Goodwill” operation was launched (more than 5 years ago have gone); the ‘martial law’ scenario has not changed and abuse of human rights continued unabated. That is bound to generate the feeling among the people that the operation, much flaunted as “Goodwill” is, in essence, a psychological warfare aimed in humanizing repression and to hoodwink the world. The intent camouflaged makes Sadhbavana get morphed into Sada bahana (playing tricks always or making (tears and blood) flow always). After all what point is their in sending the school children on Baharat Darshan when Kashmiris in Indian states, doing business or studying, are haunted, vilified, tortured and labeled as militants to either make them rot in jails or, in some cases, get them eliminated. Letter from the Chief Minister of J&K, to 14 chief ministers reflects the vulnerability of Kashmiris to prowling police officials waiting to grab the opportunity that would place them on the ladder of elevation. Opening up some computer labs and schools, adopting an odd quake-hit village or giving some assistance to orphanage homes, ostensibly, are good social works. But when a woman from North Gurez is allegedly sexually exploited by a Colonel after employing her under the “operation Sabdbavana” project run by the army (GK 19 May 2007), or, when RR troops in collaboration with Special Operations Groups (SOG) of Kashmir Police are found involved in fake encounters of innocent civilians, driven by lust to get some “gallantry” money or promotion (so “high-valued” is the life of a Kashmiri) nothing discredits more the advocates of the Sadhbavana and makes them a symbol of ridicule.
Of late, Army, at the behest of Governor (to believe Mirwaiz Umar Farooq), decided to extend its sphere of influence, in the form of renovating and reconstructing mosques and shrine across the valley. The move evoked strong resentment, from the people, and political groups. Ulema Council, in a resolution, asked President and Prime Minister of India to instruct the army “not to interfere in the religious affairs of Kashmiri Muslims”. Grand Mufti of Kashmir Mufti Bashir-ud-din issued the fatwa (edict) that forbid Muslims to take donations from non-Muslim for religious affairs as haram (unlawful). Shia cleric Aga Sayeed Badgami said that carrying out the renovation of the religious places “the army wants to give an impression that they are friends of Kashmiris and by doing so they are trying to cover up their autocracies.” Mualana Tari said, “It is amazing that on one hand the army is tormenting Kashmiris and on the other they are talking about operation Sadbhavana.” Moulana Showkat asked, “To do Sadhbavana stop genocide of Kashmiris. That will be biggest “Goodwill gesture”. Syed Ali Geelani strongly condemned the “cultural aggression” from Delhi. He also asked parents not to send their children at “Baharat Darshan”. Any answer from Delhi?
It is intriguing that while all the prominent religious political parties rallied on this religious issue, mainstream political groups maintained “meaningful” silence, that emphatically demonstrated where lies their constituency and who they represent?



(Author can be mailed at zainagiree@yahoo.co.in)

folio
if any one would like to contribute we have enough resources for the college due to the efforts of the LORD MAYOR of SHEFFIELD our next aim is a small hospital in ban gala.

Our appeal is to raise 300k to rebuild a sheffield girls college in the Bagh area.
Bagh was one the most hit area that took the lives of 300 young children and 60% of the area is still under rubble.

To date 2 delegations from SHEFFIELD have visited the affected areas of Kashmir.Bagh was one of the most hit area with 60% still under rubble and 300 children lost their lives from this harrowing and tragic episode.
Students are currently being educated in some very bad conditions and tents are not made to take the rain and cold weather.
Our appeal is to raise 300k.
To date nearly 40 rooms have been pleadged for and we need YOUR support to meet the target.
Councillor Jackie Drayton,Lord Mayor ,SHEFFIELD has been a keen and great
supporter naming the girls college as one of her three charities.
The Lord Mayor will be accompanying the delegation in April and will be visiting Bagh and the surrounding areas.
She will visit the five camp schools set up by sheffielders!
Please help us!
Cheques can be made payable to
Kashmir EarthquakeRelief Fund(sheffield) and send to
Kashmir Educational Trust
Abbeyfield Park Road,Abbeyfield Road SHEFFIELD s 4 7AT
THANKS

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2007/03/364579.html

It`s good that u do some good work (charity) in Kashmir. The accusation of armed forces entering the houses and raping women is an old story.

I havent come across such stories of late.

I agree that Indira Gandhi (a Kashmiri herself) effed Kashmir by apointing right-winger like Jagmohan and followed it by Gen KV Krishna Rao and IB chiefs. Mrs. Gandhi & her son effed India royally. They did it in Kashmir, Assam, Punjab & Sri Lanka.

Misfortune is that Pakistan is invlved in this intricate Kashmir issue. If Kashmir was not part of British India, Pakistan has no locus standi on Kashmir (read this sentence again). Again we always ignore that China too occupied Kashmir (donated by Pakistan). U guyz ha dno problem with China and Pakistan!!

U guys dont have problems with totalitarian China & dictatorial Pakistan effing their pies of Kashmir by altering the demographic profile but u had problem with India which did not change any demographic profile of Kashmir to date. U guyz accuse India like a petrel. Remembera that India under Indira (a Kashmiri) is not the same India today.

U guys using India as an abusive word is bizarre, as bizarre as it cud get.

Unless u expect the cataclysmic changes occuring the Kashmirs under China, Pakistan and India cud not become one again. Learn from Kurds, learn from Arabians (who are living under various nation-identities). What unites Kashmirs as one? Language? Culture or Islam? Except Indian Kashmiris nobody (from Pakistan and Chiana) speaks it.

I need not say what Pakistan is today. Wanna become part of such a country?

Re: # 49

Pankaj mishra is a respected journalist who has travelled all over Kashmir.

The charity I run in UK provides education and medical facilities in Kashmir.
We are building a girls college in bagh and a small hospital in ban gala.

There aren’t many Indian-kashmiris in uk but the half dozen I know have told me some horror stories about rapes and killings.

Apparently what they tell me is that groups of Indian soldiers under the pretext of searching for militants separate men and then rape young women.
They seem to have some fantasy about sex with a kashmiri woman.

I read Pankaj Mishra.

U dont have any pointed assertions to make but some sweeping generalisations?!

Be original Aslam!

It was then, early in 1990, that the Indian government again appointed Jagmohan as governor; he arrived with a sense of mission whose fanaticism approached that of the Islamic guerrillas. Farooq Abdullah resigned, leaving Kashmir without an elected leader. A series of ruthless actions quickly followed. Hundreds of young men suspected of being guerrillas were taken away from their homes, tortured, and sometimes killed. Unprovoked firings on demonstrators alone cost hundreds of lives—thanks to jumpy soldiers far from home, given a simple idea of the enemy, and licensed to kill. Thousands of Indian soldiers were brought into the valley—their current number is between 300,000 to 400,000. Foreign journalists were expelled and local journalists found themselves confined to their houses.
By the time Jagmohan was replaced, after six months as governor, the entire Muslim population of the valley had revolted against Indian rule. The local police mutinied; the legal sys-tem staffed by Kashmiris was close to collapse; more than a hundred thousand Hindus fled; the hospitals were flooded with tortured and maimed young men; and thousands of young men were missing, presumed dead, or in Pakistan.

pankaj mishra ( the birth of a nation)

#45 by Folio on June 5, 2007 5:51pm PT
Kaalachakra,

AS usual u stuffed many thoughts into a laconic sentence!

OK, the PTV does show video clips (on Kashmir) repeatedly with a voice speaking with echo-effect. It always sounds as if some God is speaking from above. God knows why they do this.


Aslam,

U have nothing to say?

Kaalachakra,

AS usual u stuffed many thoughts into a laconic sentence!

Kaalachakra,

AS usual u stuff many thoughts into a laconic sentence!

OK, the PTV does show video clips repeatedly with a voice speaking with echo-effect. It always sounds as if some God is speaking from above. God knows why they does this.

Aslam,

U are a coward who cant argue in full. U just vomit some opinions and that`s it.

If the `Indian Dogs Go Out` is written, that`s no surprise. In all propability those words are written by a Pakistani or a pro-Pakistani Kashmiri, little knowing that Pakistan is in doldrums.

If u remeber, Pakistni flags were burnt in Karachi when Bugti was murdered by the Pak Army. So Karachites are not Pakistanis?

If Kashmir was not part of India then Pakistan had NO claim on Kashmir (when British left India).

U dont have direct answers to these points. U are just a unifocal Pakistani with natural blinkers that prohibit a 360 degree view of an issue.

AS a Israeli lover I shud remind this:

When Pak agents create trouble in India then India shud bombard Pak cities with misslies and demolish all infrastructre, similar to what ur favoutrite Israel did in Lebanon. I think u`d rejoice such an eventuality. Godspeed.

Re: # 42
this is hilarious!!!

`#41 by Urstruly on June 5, 2007 7:05am PT

I don`t see a reason why can`t these Indian prisoners (if they really exist) can not be exchanged with the Muslim prisoners in the Indian jails`

somebody tell this idiot that its not about hindu or muslim prisoners, its about indian POWs. annd indian POW`s can be either hindu, muslim, sikkh, christian, jews etc because indians of all relligions are representated in the indian forces.

also muslim prisoners in india does not have to be necessarily pakkistani. incase your country still wishes to take them, please do by all means.