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AHslam,

Nothing left to say.

U chose to live in the country of non-believers but keep saying the ppl back home to fight and be killed. Wah!

OK, Indian Army wud never disappoint such `fighters` to send them to the abode of their creator.

Godspeed!

Re: # 63
devil could be up your fanny bigotrd macaci

laws of the Indian Union are NOT applicable in Kashmir unless they are ratified by the Kashmir Assembly.

Aslam,

U said some interesting things here.

1. There`s nothing common btw Kashmiris and Mohajirs

2. Ppl leave to PAK side to avoid poverty and oppression in the Valley.


U are right abt the former. Muhajirs had nothing in common btw them and Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochis and Pathans except the religion.

Abt the latter: I want to recall the first face2face btw two Kashmiris when the border was opened for such meetings btw them. It`s not the Indian Kashmiris who tried to break the barrier and rush to the PAK side but Kashmirs of PAK side who tried to break the cordon and go to India. It was a farce that Pak army tried to push them away.

The whole world knows which side is greener.

U guyz live in the US and UK as minorities but dont live as majority in ur own Kashmir in Indian Union? In any case laws of the Indian Union as NOT applicable in Kashmir unless they are ratified by the Kashmir Assembly.

U have own laws and life, what is bothering you to live as Kashmiris? If u dont like the rest of India, dont go there, live in ur own State.

I tell u Aslam, the devil is in ur minds. U guys are playing the game of the Pak army and ISI. Learn from Kurds.

That’s non starter because they are different apart from religion they have nothing in common. The position in AK is it’s mixed population kashmiris, gujjars, potoharis etc over the centuries people from the valley have settled here, from rawalpindi to Lahore there are hundreds of ethnic kashmiri villages who have settled there over the centuries, because of poverty or oppression in the valley.

Aslam,

Ppl make their own choices abt their futures. I dont know why Arjun writes like that on Chowk.

Btw, Arjun is a Christian.

OK Aslam. Let`s work in this direction. Whoever identify himself with Pakistan can migrate to Pakistan. In return India shud take back the contrite Muhajirs and resettle them in Kashmir. Btw, we see a lot of mohajirs who sound contrite abt the decision of their forefathers who laboured to go to Pakistan 60 years ago.

We`d resettle them in Kashmir and present lot of Pakiphiles can go in their places.

This is a win-win situation for both Pakistan & India. Hope Kashmir Groups works in this direction.

Folio
I think people in srinagar are slowly taking Arjuns advice and moving to Mirpur


Doc couple from Srinagar joins at Mirpur hospital
TARIQ NAQASH
Muzaffarabad, June 7: Pakistan administered Kashmir Prime Minister Sardar Attique Ahmed Khan on Thursday predicted major developments on Kashmir in the days ahead and called for demonstration of greater responsibility by the Kashmiri leaders on both sides of the divide.
“It gives me immense satisfaction that the interest in settlement of Kashmir issue is multiplying in the outside world and this has necessitated unity and harmony among the ranks of Kashmiri leaders on both sides of the divide,” he said.
“Our responsibilities have increased manifolds and we will have to devise a unanimous course of action to combat the challenges and achieve the targets,” he added.
The PaK premier was speaking to reporters at district headquarters hospital Mirpur where earlier a doctor couple from Srinagar, Dr Irfan and Dr Saima, joined in as ad-hoc medical officers. PaK health minister Dr Najeeb Naqi Khan, adviser to prime minister on Elementary Education Nahid Tariq and senior government officials were also present on the occasion.
Sardar Attique noted with pleasure that while he had taken the lead in reserving seats for students from other Kashmir in a cadet college here, Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad had also decided to grant admissions to students from PaK in the universities of Jammu and Kashmir.
Recalling his offer for jobs in PaK to the skilled Kashmiri youth from across the Line of Control, he said his administered area wanted to benefit from their expertise and services. Sardar Attique also reiterated his announcement regarding provision of gas and electricity to other Kashmir, asserting that it would go a long way in bringing the two regions further close to each other.

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?Date=8_6_2007&ItemID=51&

Kashmir group is cut above the rest

ROUND about now a group of Kashmiri women will be receiving 100 pairs of Made in Sheffield scissors, thanks to a tip from Joanna Lumley.
Last week she was invited in for tea in Lord Mayor Jackie Drayton`s Parlour when Jackie mentioned she was off to Kashmir.
She will be laying the foundation stone for the Sheffield Girls College in Bagh, Azad Kashmir, being financed by the Sheffield-based Kashmir Earthquake Relief Fund.
``That`s interesting. I was born in Kashmir,`` said
Joanna.
And when Jackie added that the local women were also helping to fund the college by making clothing the actress told her: ``You`ll be wanting to take some scissors, then.``
Good idea, thought Jackie, and got 100 courtesy of Richardson`s, although Joanna had promised to pay for them herself if they weren`t donated.
The original college collapsed in the 2005, quake, killing 200 students.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?SectionID=4766&articleid=2628719

#56 by Folio on June 6, 2007 6:08pm PT
NB,

Ur point is well taken.

Aslam,

I dont mind contributing whatever I can but I cant do it to the Org u are saying but to the Govt in Kashmir. I want to benefit Indian Kashmiris first.

I wont brag abt this but I was impressed by the house rebuilding done by Islamic Relief committee at Naroda Patiya (I made a 4-figure donation myself). Despite getting killed by the so called Hindu leaders & mobs, this Commitee rebuilt some houses for the Hindus in Naroda Patiya, whose houses were also destroyed on that fateful day.

Goodness promotes goodnes.

Btw I was so enraged by the latest story where an aspiring Jet Airays pilot (Kashmiri) was jailed & tortured in Delhi jail on the pretext of being a terrorist. The email msg to the PM ended with this punchline (www.pmindia.nic.in).

`Sir, be prepared for him to be another militant.`

My guestimate is that the police and army produce 30-40% of militants by their pigheaded nature.

U`d have seen on TV recently how some women and old man were brutally beaten in MP or Chattisgarh. U know, Indian police are BASTARDS. They behave alike - either in Kashmir, Chatisgarh or Delhi.

U`d have seen on TV how some women and old man were brutally beaten in MP or Chattisgarh. U know, Indian police are BASTARDS. They behave alike - either in Kashmir, Chatisgarh or Delhi.

NB,

Ur point is well taken.

Aslam,

I dont mind contributing whatever I can but I cant do it to the Org u are saying but to the Govt in Kashmir. I want to benefit Indian Kashmiris first.

I wont brag abt this but I was impressed by the house rebuilding done by Islamic Relief committee at Naroda Patiya (I made a 4-figure donation myself). Despite getting killed by the so called Hindu leaders & mobs, this Commitee rebult some houses for the Hindus in Naroda Patiya, whose houses were also destroyed on that fateful day.

Goodness promotes goodnes.

Btw I was so enraged by the latest story where an aspiring Jet Airays pilot (Kashmiri) was jailed & tortured in Delhi jail on the pretext of being a terrorist. The email msg to the PM ended with this punchline.

`Sir, be prepard him to be another militant.`

My guestimate is that the police and army produce 30-40% of militants by their pigheaded nature.

U`d have seen how o TV some women and old man were brutally beaten in MP or Chattisgarh. U know, Indian police are BASTARDS. They behave alike - either Kashmir, Chatisgarh or Delhi.

How about we stick to the topic at hand?Folio, you do not need to defend the armed forces and the country to one Pakistani,regardless of what he says.
Aslam, do you have any ideas what happened to these men, who were POWs and protected by the Geneva Convention, which you quite correctly would want Guantanamo bay detainees protected by as well? If not, please send another article to chowk about the evil Indian forces in Kashmir.

Re: # 50

Aslam64 Mian:

Are you from Sheffield? I was a student in 1970-71 at Sheffield Univ. Lived nearby.

Let’s know the rotten truth behind Sadhbavana which surprisingly means Goodwill, comments Hassan Zainagiree



Operation Sadhbavana (Goodwill). An innocuous phrase which in semantic analysis reflects sympathy, love and brotherhood. A feeling of jelling together in sentiments and in hours of agony and miseries. To relieve the sufferer of the sufferings. To pull the victim out of the whirling vortex of political uncertainty. To empower the powerless. To support his genuine cause. To help him have his chin up. To make him assert his authority. To enable him to become the master of his own destiny.
A nation like ours which has always been at the receiving end of the history’s wrongs and has seen worst of the tragedies inflicted on her does need it as much, if not more, as other subjugated people. Battered and persecuted, tyrannized and victimized, we know the punch of the hammer hovering over our head. It will, indeed, serve a holy grail for us. We will look to those who “win (our) hearts as minds” as our messiahs. Indebted we would become to their humanistic approach. In wreaths of flowers we would greet them. In wails of joy we would lap them up. Tears of thanks we would offer….. Saviours, Saviours, have, finally, arrived! the bleeding Kashmir will chant.
But from whose hands the all-hyped Sadhbavana? From the respectable Amnety International? From the Doctors without Borders? From the Civil Liberty Unions? From Justice Sachars or Arun Dati Roys? No. it is the strategists in Delhi and their executors in Kashmir that provide mind and muscles to the operation.
Whereas Kashmiriyat, that is being used as a ploy to lull Kashmiris into sedative lullabies, make them reconcile with the status quo, submit meekly to the language of force and tailor ambitions according to the demands of the powerful, Sadbhavana is used as a strategic instrument in presenting the “soft, pro-people and more compassionate face” of the army. The “spirit”, as we are told, behind is that Indian security forces in Kashmir are ‘not enemies’ of Kashmiris, but ‘friends’. This instantly provokes one to ask, who they are? Of the two actors in armed confrontation, then only militants have to be degraded with the ‘enemy’ accusation. Do Kashmiris subscribe to this metaphor? Why there are demonstrations at the funeral of a militant killed/martyred in an encounter (killed you say; martyred Kashmiris say) and why huge gatherings by both factions of the Hurriyat are held at Mazar-e-Shohda (martyrs ground) Eidgah Srinagar, where martyrs are held in great reverence and great tribute is paid to them for their “sacrifices” (to which you call ‘terrorist activities’).
Safety to life and honor holds priority to everything else. Even two belligerent nations at war have to ensure the safety of the non-combatant citizens. Kashmir India claims as its ‘integral part’, though mass movement stands as a big caveat against the phantom hope. And it is here they are vulnerable and get exposed.
It is not the strategy and policy of Indian state towards militancy in Kashmir that determines its character-imperialistic or democratic-, it is, infact, its attitude and relationship towards innocent people of the disputed land that gives the portrait. 17 years of mass-uprising against Delhi in demand of its right to self determination, pledged by Indians and accepted by United Nations, stands testimony to the gruesome atrocities wrought on unarmed civilians to show how Delhi in imperialistic mould allowed the law enforcing agencies to blur the demarcation line. Hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris were butchered to death, maimed for life. Many were subjected to enforced disappearance and extra-judicial killing. Honor outraged, gang rapes committed. The Indian state instead of bringing the killers and criminals to justice protected them under Section 7 of the ASFPA, that makes them immune from the legal action. Let us not cite reports of Kashmir based Civil Society on ordeals Kashmiris have to go through. Last month a group of prominent human rights activist from different states of India visited Kashmir. B.K Blagopal of Human Rights Forum while addressing news personnel on May 11 in Srinagar said: ‘Outside J&K, the Indian state say normalcy has returned. But the ground situation here is different. The citizens here have no freedom. They enjoy that freedom which Indian army wants them to enjoy…. The J&K is under the army rule and no law in India permits martial law……’ (GK: 12 May 2007)
Guilt of conscience, one would have thought, Indian army was heavily smitten with that has provided it the motivational force to indulge into Sadhbavana and make the amends. But it is amazing to see since the “Goodwill” operation was launched (more than 5 years ago have gone); the ‘martial law’ scenario has not changed and abuse of human rights continued unabated. That is bound to generate the feeling among the people that the operation, much flaunted as “Goodwill” is, in essence, a psychological warfare aimed in humanizing repression and to hoodwink the world. The intent camouflaged makes Sadhbavana get morphed into Sada bahana (playing tricks always or making (tears and blood) flow always). After all what point is their in sending the school children on Baharat Darshan when Kashmiris in Indian states, doing business or studying, are haunted, vilified, tortured and labeled as militants to either make them rot in jails or, in some cases, get them eliminated. Letter from the Chief Minister of J&K, to 14 chief ministers reflects the vulnerability of Kashmiris to prowling police officials waiting to grab the opportunity that would place them on the ladder of elevation. Opening up some computer labs and schools, adopting an odd quake-hit village or giving some assistance to orphanage homes, ostensibly, are good social works. But when a woman from North Gurez is allegedly sexually exploited by a Colonel after employing her under the “operation Sabdbavana” project run by the army (GK 19 May 2007), or, when RR troops in collaboration with Special Operations Groups (SOG) of Kashmir Police are found involved in fake encounters of innocent civilians, driven by lust to get some “gallantry” money or promotion (so “high-valued” is the life of a Kashmiri) nothing discredits more the advocates of the Sadhbavana and makes them a symbol of ridicule.
Of late, Army, at the behest of Governor (to believe Mirwaiz Umar Farooq), decided to extend its sphere of influence, in the form of renovating and reconstructing mosques and shrine across the valley. The move evoked strong resentment, from the people, and political groups. Ulema Council, in a resolution, asked President and Prime Minister of India to instruct the army “not to interfere in the religious affairs of Kashmiri Muslims”. Grand Mufti of Kashmir Mufti Bashir-ud-din issued the fatwa (edict) that forbid Muslims to take donations from non-Muslim for religious affairs as haram (unlawful). Shia cleric Aga Sayeed Badgami said that carrying out the renovation of the religious places “the army wants to give an impression that they are friends of Kashmiris and by doing so they are trying to cover up their autocracies.” Mualana Tari said, “It is amazing that on one hand the army is tormenting Kashmiris and on the other they are talking about operation Sadbhavana.” Moulana Showkat asked, “To do Sadhbavana stop genocide of Kashmiris. That will be biggest “Goodwill gesture”. Syed Ali Geelani strongly condemned the “cultural aggression” from Delhi. He also asked parents not to send their children at “Baharat Darshan”. Any answer from Delhi?
It is intriguing that while all the prominent religious political parties rallied on this religious issue, mainstream political groups maintained “meaningful” silence, that emphatically demonstrated where lies their constituency and who they represent?



(Author can be mailed at zainagiree@yahoo.co.in)

folio
if any one would like to contribute we have enough resources for the college due to the efforts of the LORD MAYOR of SHEFFIELD our next aim is a small hospital in ban gala.

Our appeal is to raise 300k to rebuild a sheffield girls college in the Bagh area.
Bagh was one the most hit area that took the lives of 300 young children and 60% of the area is still under rubble.

To date 2 delegations from SHEFFIELD have visited the affected areas of Kashmir.Bagh was one of the most hit area with 60% still under rubble and 300 children lost their lives from this harrowing and tragic episode.
Students are currently being educated in some very bad conditions and tents are not made to take the rain and cold weather.
Our appeal is to raise 300k.
To date nearly 40 rooms have been pleadged for and we need YOUR support to meet the target.
Councillor Jackie Drayton,Lord Mayor ,SHEFFIELD has been a keen and great
supporter naming the girls college as one of her three charities.
The Lord Mayor will be accompanying the delegation in April and will be visiting Bagh and the surrounding areas.
She will visit the five camp schools set up by sheffielders!
Please help us!
Cheques can be made payable to
Kashmir EarthquakeRelief Fund(sheffield) and send to
Kashmir Educational Trust
Abbeyfield Park Road,Abbeyfield Road SHEFFIELD s 4 7AT
THANKS

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2007/03/364579.html

It`s good that u do some good work (charity) in Kashmir. The accusation of armed forces entering the houses and raping women is an old story.

I havent come across such stories of late.

I agree that Indira Gandhi (a Kashmiri herself) effed Kashmir by apointing right-winger like Jagmohan and followed it by Gen KV Krishna Rao and IB chiefs. Mrs. Gandhi & her son effed India royally. They did it in Kashmir, Assam, Punjab & Sri Lanka.

Misfortune is that Pakistan is invlved in this intricate Kashmir issue. If Kashmir was not part of British India, Pakistan has no locus standi on Kashmir (read this sentence again). Again we always ignore that China too occupied Kashmir (donated by Pakistan). U guyz ha dno problem with China and Pakistan!!

U guys dont have problems with totalitarian China & dictatorial Pakistan effing their pies of Kashmir by altering the demographic profile but u had problem with India which did not change any demographic profile of Kashmir to date. U guyz accuse India like a petrel. Remembera that India under Indira (a Kashmiri) is not the same India today.

U guys using India as an abusive word is bizarre, as bizarre as it cud get.

Unless u expect the cataclysmic changes occuring the Kashmirs under China, Pakistan and India cud not become one again. Learn from Kurds, learn from Arabians (who are living under various nation-identities). What unites Kashmirs as one? Language? Culture or Islam? Except Indian Kashmiris nobody (from Pakistan and Chiana) speaks it.

I need not say what Pakistan is today. Wanna become part of such a country?

Re: # 49

Pankaj mishra is a respected journalist who has travelled all over Kashmir.

The charity I run in UK provides education and medical facilities in Kashmir.
We are building a girls college in bagh and a small hospital in ban gala.

There aren’t many Indian-kashmiris in uk but the half dozen I know have told me some horror stories about rapes and killings.

Apparently what they tell me is that groups of Indian soldiers under the pretext of searching for militants separate men and then rape young women.
They seem to have some fantasy about sex with a kashmiri woman.

I read Pankaj Mishra.

U dont have any pointed assertions to make but some sweeping generalisations?!

Be original Aslam!

It was then, early in 1990, that the Indian government again appointed Jagmohan as governor; he arrived with a sense of mission whose fanaticism approached that of the Islamic guerrillas. Farooq Abdullah resigned, leaving Kashmir without an elected leader. A series of ruthless actions quickly followed. Hundreds of young men suspected of being guerrillas were taken away from their homes, tortured, and sometimes killed. Unprovoked firings on demonstrators alone cost hundreds of lives—thanks to jumpy soldiers far from home, given a simple idea of the enemy, and licensed to kill. Thousands of Indian soldiers were brought into the valley—their current number is between 300,000 to 400,000. Foreign journalists were expelled and local journalists found themselves confined to their houses.
By the time Jagmohan was replaced, after six months as governor, the entire Muslim population of the valley had revolted against Indian rule. The local police mutinied; the legal sys-tem staffed by Kashmiris was close to collapse; more than a hundred thousand Hindus fled; the hospitals were flooded with tortured and maimed young men; and thousands of young men were missing, presumed dead, or in Pakistan.

pankaj mishra ( the birth of a nation)

#45 by Folio on June 5, 2007 5:51pm PT
Kaalachakra,

AS usual u stuffed many thoughts into a laconic sentence!

OK, the PTV does show video clips (on Kashmir) repeatedly with a voice speaking with echo-effect. It always sounds as if some God is speaking from above. God knows why they do this.


Aslam,

U have nothing to say?

Kaalachakra,

AS usual u stuffed many thoughts into a laconic sentence!

Kaalachakra,

AS usual u stuff many thoughts into a laconic sentence!

OK, the PTV does show video clips repeatedly with a voice speaking with echo-effect. It always sounds as if some God is speaking from above. God knows why they does this.

Aslam,

U are a coward who cant argue in full. U just vomit some opinions and that`s it.

If the `Indian Dogs Go Out` is written, that`s no surprise. In all propability those words are written by a Pakistani or a pro-Pakistani Kashmiri, little knowing that Pakistan is in doldrums.

If u remeber, Pakistni flags were burnt in Karachi when Bugti was murdered by the Pak Army. So Karachites are not Pakistanis?

If Kashmir was not part of India then Pakistan had NO claim on Kashmir (when British left India).

U dont have direct answers to these points. U are just a unifocal Pakistani with natural blinkers that prohibit a 360 degree view of an issue.

AS a Israeli lover I shud remind this:

When Pak agents create trouble in India then India shud bombard Pak cities with misslies and demolish all infrastructre, similar to what ur favoutrite Israel did in Lebanon. I think u`d rejoice such an eventuality. Godspeed.

Re: # 42
this is hilarious!!!

`#41 by Urstruly on June 5, 2007 7:05am PT

I don`t see a reason why can`t these Indian prisoners (if they really exist) can not be exchanged with the Muslim prisoners in the Indian jails`

somebody tell this idiot that its not about hindu or muslim prisoners, its about indian POWs. annd indian POW`s can be either hindu, muslim, sikkh, christian, jews etc because indians of all relligions are representated in the indian forces.

also muslim prisoners in india does not have to be necessarily pakkistani. incase your country still wishes to take them, please do by all means.

Urstruly, yaar, the whole of India is a jail for Muslims (ask tolkinin who is refused meals at Indian restaurants). It will be a very large population transfer.

I don`t see a reason why can`t these Indian prisoners (if they really exist) can not be exchanged with the Muslim prisoners in the Indian jails. However, those Indians who have committed acts of terrorism on Pakistani soil must be executed, if the next of kin of the their victims refuse to take monetary compensation in exchange for the pardon. I think a joint commission between the two countries should be set up who would oversee such excahnges and arrange for the ransom. There is absolutely no need for keeping sword of democlese hanging over the heads of the loved ones for indefinite period of time. I think Pakistan should assume a leadership role and make proposal for a treaty in this regard.

Re: # 38
No it isn’t in my mind only, it’s in the mind of most kasmiris who the enemy is, you’ll find it written on the walls in srinagar INDIAN DOGS GO HOME

Because isreal is far more open society what ever atrocities they commit is there for every one see.

Indians are more devious they use other methods fake encounters etc.

Folio

So God does not speak on PTV about Kashmir?

One shudders to imagine what other words of God might one call fake next?!

Aslam,

U consider Israel is much than India as far as Muslims are considered?

Tell us why Indian Army`s training their soldiers in this bizarre art of raping? (Individual acts of some persons cant be ascribed to the whole band of the army, if u dont know).

OK, thanks for remining that daily firing of misslies on the residential areas, direct shooting of politicians including the blind Yassin Omar and demolishing PLO office where Arafat is located, killing 1500 civilians in Jenin in 3 days are all loftier than Indian prsence in Srinagar who`re combing for armed mercenaries? THANKS!

Pakistan hunts and kills an old man on the run (Bugti) whereas India gives 24x7 police protection to the secessionists and arranges for the cancer operation gratis, at a Bombay hospital 4 Jilani who spews venom on India everyay.

The concept of `enemy` is in ur mind. If there`re no armed raiders from PAK, there`s no need for the army to station themselves in Kashmir-proper but on the border.

Re: # 35

as I have told my Palestinian friends they are lucky they have a civilised enemy if west bank was in south asia it wouldn’t be even in news.

Ten times more killings have taken place in Kashmir than in west bank.

Rapes by isrealis in west bank zero.

Thousands of isrealis soldiers refused to serve in the west bank, media and human rights groups have access all the time.

i think most of the ppeople who are a part of this trip are only looking for answers. i am also sure thhat most of them are pprepared to know thatt their loved ones are no more.

but not knowing the truth and more importantly being kept in the dark is by far the worst torture than can be infllicted on people.

this includes incidents in either side of kashmir, pakistan, india and the POW issue.

In long-standing struggles, individual acts/incidents cant be discussed for meaningful conclusions on the issues involved.

I too sent angry emails 2 the Prime Minister (www.pmindia.nic.in) whenever I read abt the excesses in Kashmir by the security forces. I dont accept HR violations as something passable. But what they show on PTV is repetition of the same old video clips with the commentator`s voice in echo, as if there is a `heavenly comment` (by God/Al-Lah) on Kashmir. Btw, on all other news stories, PTV does not give an echo-effect commentary.

Occupied Kashmir - as what they talk in Pak media - is not in the same league as occupied West Bank.

Sopore has always been the centre of a rabid anti India movement in the valley. Even in the peaceful period from `71 to `89, anti-India feeling was always very high in this apple town where separatist elements held sway. Army vehicles had strict instructions to avoid the town, so all army convoys from Srinagar to Drugmulla, Kupwara and other areas were diverted to proceed via Baramulla.
No massacres of unarmed civilians can be condoned, but if it was in Sopore, there must be more to it that what the TIME magazine says of the incident.

#7 by aslam644 on June 4, 2007 1:16pm PT
warachy

didn`t you know 80.000 kashmiris have been killed thousands of innocent young men have been picked up by indian army and never seen again, what about them.

Aslam,

Those 80,000 (or whatever the atcual figure is) include the persons killed by the jihadi brothers from PAK (PoK or Azad Kashmir). So u guyz take that 80K to bolster ur argument and the same figure is used by VHP to bolster their arument that Jihadis killed 80,000 Hindus.

So, lets have some perspective here. As Jang said PoW issue and struggle in Kashmir are two different issues here. Secondly I am not sure if India held ur PoWs on our side. Comparing PoW issues btw India and Pakistan wud be right.

If u want to discuss Kashmir. Lets do it.

She has posted her pic here before, so I don`t think she will mind me saying she is in the blue salwar kameez in front.And I see she is holding up a pic of herself as a child with her family, including her father before he was captured.
All that she is asking is to know what happened. Most of us cannot even comprehend the loss her family has suffered, but we can respect her efforts.

which one is ms. Waraich. And why are they demonstrating in front of the Karachi Jail? Are they not allowed to go in? I see the picture but no news.

Ms. Waraich could you please update us here.

If you don`t mind Aslam may I ask in what light do you view i) the common Balochi militants, and ii) unarmed common Balochis killed in Musharraf`s recent bloody campaign against Bugti?

Were the aforementioned terrorists? Separatists? Freedom fighters? Or, simply a nuisance?

khamy

With aslam bhai and his well-funded troops already engaged in a far greater collective jihad, there`s no point confusing man, woman, and God. So, instead of asking her to turn her into another jihadi, why don`t you just offer ms waraich your good wishes? That will be a signal of sincerity.

ms. waraich...
good luck and may god help you in this jihad to find your loved ones...amen!

arre...somebody put the nipple bback intoo aslam`s mouth.

so aslam we disagree ..you think missing kashmiri case is the same as PoW, i think there is a difference. i made my case why i think its different, you seem to make a case of equivalency on moral ground disregarding ``jihad`` element in it and highlting currently more PC azadi terminology. i think both cases are very different due to the jihad element which is against the world-order reliant on geneva convention type shyte.

Very good posts, aslam644 sahib. Many Indians possess so little understanding and have so few moral anchors that they are liable to lurch - like thaali ke baingan - from one extreme to the other. Thanks for reminding them of the basic constants.

Re: # 23
Jan 6, ‘93 when 57 people were massacred in Sopur
Ghulam Muhammad
(from greaterkashmir.com)
Sopur, Jan 5: Massacre of 57 unarmed civilians in Sopur town 14 years back is one of the few massacres that got a few columns of space in prestigious TIME magazine. The magazine described the massacre, and the protests that ensued thus:
“Perhaps there is a special corner in hell reserved for troopers who fire their weapons indiscriminately into a crowd of unarmed civilians. That, at least, must have been the hope of every resident who defied an army-enforced curfew in the Kashmiri town of Sopur to protest a massacre that left 55 people dead and scores injured.”
“It was India’s latest blow in a three-year campaign to crush the predominantly Muslim state’s bid for independence. In retaliation for the killing of one soldier, paramilitary forces rampaged through Sopur’s market setting buildings ablaze and shooting bystanders. The Indian government pronounced the event “unfortunate” and claimed that an ammunition dump had been hit by gunfire, setting off fires that killed most of the victims.”
The magazine had titled the news report (on January 18, 1993) “Blood tide rising: Indian forces carry out one of the worst massacres in Kashmir’s history.”
In the reconstructed Iqbal Market it is hard to find the traces of the carnage the Border Security Force troopers carried out on January 6, 1993, killing 57 persons, most of them roasted alive in shops, buses, and houses. The troopers set about 100 houses and 300 shops on fire after dousing them with gunpowder, the local residents recall.
It was the chilly morning of January 6, 1993 when militants attacked the troopers of BSF at Baba Younis Lane near the Sopur town’s main street, killing two of them. The militants also took away the rifles of the slain troopers. The troopers went berserk and opened indiscriminate fire on unarmed civilians and set on fire markets, mainly Iqbal Market, and Women’s Degree College.
The local residents regard the incident as one of the worst massacres in the history of Kashmir.
“I cannot forget that horrendous incident till I am alive; the troops were on rampage; I lost two relatives in the incident,” said Ali Muhammad, an eyewitness and survivor of the carnage. “I wonder can doomsday be worse,” he says.
The mayhem continued for more than 2 hours with people—helpless and hopeless—watching the devastation from a distance. None from the civil administration or Fire Service Department came to the rescue of the hapless people. Only the valor and heroism of the local populace made its appearance, helping each other. In one hour, the locals recovered the dead bodies of more than 50 civilians and miraculously rescued many more.
Some fifteen civilians who tired to rescue their brethren were also shot dead by the troopers, said Abdul Majid, a survivor. Ghulam Nabi Bhat of New Light Hotel shouldered 11 dead bodies and before he could carry the 12th, he too was shot dead.
For three days people rummaged the debris for dead bodies. Strong protests rocked the town for many days continuously. Many charities came up but soon vanished. The insurance companies refused to give any compensation to the victims. The victims knocked the doors of government offices but to no avail.
“The massacre would haunt us as long as we are alive,” said Muhammad Abbas of Sopur.

Re: # 21
if you ask the kashmiris they would tell you it`s a war of liberation `azadi` as they call it.

killing unarmed civilians is far more immoral and unethical.

atleast the soldiers know what they letting themselves in for, kashmiris have no such choice.

BTW did you know over 100 unarmed kashmiris civilians men,women were mowed down by the indian army.

Gentlemen,

I know you all love to gaali nikalofy and all that but you know even when you write it in Roman Urdu, we can read and understand it, so can you please respect the writer of this article if not the rest of us, and tone it down a bit?

Thanks! :)

aslam, i will attempt to indicate what is the difference. the PoW was a uniformed officer, involved in a war with warring parties signatories of Geneva convention etc. kashmiris missing are involved in a jihadi insurgency and are answerable to god and will be given justice by god himself personally. in the PoW case, an attempt is being made to find justice in human terms (no god involvement). so, when indian forces do extra-judicial killings and torture, they should be held responsible (and sometimes are if you read news) but many of these missing and dead folks do happen under a jihad.. its at a different plane.

changing destiny lol

Re: # 17
dumbo there you go again.
people who suffer personal loss they are the very people who would and understand the suffering of others sometimes these people change the course of history.

Re: # 17
Ok I`m sorry I insulted you without provocation, I`m in combat mode from unplugged but you have to admit that your comments were insensitive

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Re: # 8
that is my exact point idiot. those kashmiris are someone`s father, brother, husband as well aren`t they

Re: # 8
what the fukk has it got to do with you idiot let him respond who it`s adressed to.

Re: # 7
Are you some kind of an idiot. This is her father she`s talking about, this has fukk all to do with politics for her.

warachy

didn`t you know 80.000 kashmiris have been killed thousands of innocent young men have been picked up by indian army and never seen again, what about them.

are some lives more worth than others?

#5 dilliwala,

Simmi is Maj. Waraich`s daughter.

Maj. Waraich (from Patiala) was taken POW in 1971.

Are you related to Cap Wariach from Patiala?
Anyways, I have my sympathies with you. I hope that Pakistanis release and in fact help these relatives to trace them. If they are dead then at least prove it to these people.

Base do on what I have read about Indi/Paki jails. Indian Jails are much better than Paki jails. In India they had a Jail reform not too long ago under Kiran Bedi(IPS) and since then there is lot of awareness among Prison keepers.

Paki Jails are basically torture chamber where the ideology is to make the prisoners suffer till they loose mental balance or die. I hope that I am wrong.

Good luck Ms Wariach.

This is beyond horrific. I hope your loved ones are united with you before long.

I hope you find your loved ones, this is so sad, please kep us updated

Lots of best wishes
A

I wish you luck, Dr.!!!

I really do hope that you find some of the missing people during this visit.

This definitely is a humanitarian issue & my best wishes are for all families on both sides of the border to be able to find their dear ones.

Regards,

I lack any knowledge of what goes on in Indian prisons, aside from what is depicted in Bollywood. But I do know Pakistani prisons are hell-holes. A cousin of my dad, a poor but very hard working man suddenly became enraged and violent for one reason or another about ten years ago. He beat his wife, and beat relatives who tried to stop him. Finally some young cousins of mine over-powered him and gifted him to the local police authorities, for he had badly injured my phuphu. I don`t know why he became violent that day, but what happened after that was definitely hell. He spent 3-4 years in Multan jail. I saw him several being brought to the court house located near my school. He didn`t recognize any of us. He was unshaved, filthy, smelly, and completely out of the world around him. When he was finally released he walked all the way to Pakpatan from Multan. That`s the last we heard of him about 4-5 years ago.

Hopefully you are united with the loved ones that you`re looking for..