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Re: # 17
Ok I`m sorry I insulted you without provocation, I`m in combat mode from unplugged but you have to admit that your comments were insensitive

Re: # 17
dumbo there you go again.
people who suffer personal loss they are the very people who would and understand the suffering of others sometimes these people change the course of history.

changing destiny lol

aslam, i will attempt to indicate what is the difference. the PoW was a uniformed officer, involved in a war with warring parties signatories of Geneva convention etc. kashmiris missing are involved in a jihadi insurgency and are answerable to god and will be given justice by god himself personally. in the PoW case, an attempt is being made to find justice in human terms (no god involvement). so, when indian forces do extra-judicial killings and torture, they should be held responsible (and sometimes are if you read news) but many of these missing and dead folks do happen under a jihad.. its at a different plane.

Gentlemen,

I know you all love to gaali nikalofy and all that but you know even when you write it in Roman Urdu, we can read and understand it, so can you please respect the writer of this article if not the rest of us, and tone it down a bit?

Thanks! :)

Re: # 21
if you ask the kashmiris they would tell you it`s a war of liberation `azadi` as they call it.

killing unarmed civilians is far more immoral and unethical.

atleast the soldiers know what they letting themselves in for, kashmiris have no such choice.

BTW did you know over 100 unarmed kashmiris civilians men,women were mowed down by the indian army.

Re: # 23
Jan 6, ‘93 when 57 people were massacred in Sopur
Ghulam Muhammad
(from greaterkashmir.com)
Sopur, Jan 5: Massacre of 57 unarmed civilians in Sopur town 14 years back is one of the few massacres that got a few columns of space in prestigious TIME magazine. The magazine described the massacre, and the protests that ensued thus:
“Perhaps there is a special corner in hell reserved for troopers who fire their weapons indiscriminately into a crowd of unarmed civilians. That, at least, must have been the hope of every resident who defied an army-enforced curfew in the Kashmiri town of Sopur to protest a massacre that left 55 people dead and scores injured.”
“It was India’s latest blow in a three-year campaign to crush the predominantly Muslim state’s bid for independence. In retaliation for the killing of one soldier, paramilitary forces rampaged through Sopur’s market setting buildings ablaze and shooting bystanders. The Indian government pronounced the event “unfortunate” and claimed that an ammunition dump had been hit by gunfire, setting off fires that killed most of the victims.”
The magazine had titled the news report (on January 18, 1993) “Blood tide rising: Indian forces carry out one of the worst massacres in Kashmir’s history.”
In the reconstructed Iqbal Market it is hard to find the traces of the carnage the Border Security Force troopers carried out on January 6, 1993, killing 57 persons, most of them roasted alive in shops, buses, and houses. The troopers set about 100 houses and 300 shops on fire after dousing them with gunpowder, the local residents recall.
It was the chilly morning of January 6, 1993 when militants attacked the troopers of BSF at Baba Younis Lane near the Sopur town’s main street, killing two of them. The militants also took away the rifles of the slain troopers. The troopers went berserk and opened indiscriminate fire on unarmed civilians and set on fire markets, mainly Iqbal Market, and Women’s Degree College.
The local residents regard the incident as one of the worst massacres in the history of Kashmir.
“I cannot forget that horrendous incident till I am alive; the troops were on rampage; I lost two relatives in the incident,” said Ali Muhammad, an eyewitness and survivor of the carnage. “I wonder can doomsday be worse,” he says.
The mayhem continued for more than 2 hours with people—helpless and hopeless—watching the devastation from a distance. None from the civil administration or Fire Service Department came to the rescue of the hapless people. Only the valor and heroism of the local populace made its appearance, helping each other. In one hour, the locals recovered the dead bodies of more than 50 civilians and miraculously rescued many more.
Some fifteen civilians who tired to rescue their brethren were also shot dead by the troopers, said Abdul Majid, a survivor. Ghulam Nabi Bhat of New Light Hotel shouldered 11 dead bodies and before he could carry the 12th, he too was shot dead.
For three days people rummaged the debris for dead bodies. Strong protests rocked the town for many days continuously. Many charities came up but soon vanished. The insurance companies refused to give any compensation to the victims. The victims knocked the doors of government offices but to no avail.
“The massacre would haunt us as long as we are alive,” said Muhammad Abbas of Sopur.

Very good posts, aslam644 sahib. Many Indians possess so little understanding and have so few moral anchors that they are liable to lurch - like thaali ke baingan - from one extreme to the other. Thanks for reminding them of the basic constants.

so aslam we disagree ..you think missing kashmiri case is the same as PoW, i think there is a difference. i made my case why i think its different, you seem to make a case of equivalency on moral ground disregarding ``jihad`` element in it and highlting currently more PC azadi terminology. i think both cases are very different due to the jihad element which is against the world-order reliant on geneva convention type shyte.

arre...somebody put the nipple bback intoo aslam`s mouth.

ms. waraich...
good luck and may god help you in this jihad to find your loved ones...amen!

khamy

With aslam bhai and his well-funded troops already engaged in a far greater collective jihad, there`s no point confusing man, woman, and God. So, instead of asking her to turn her into another jihadi, why don`t you just offer ms waraich your good wishes? That will be a signal of sincerity.

If you don`t mind Aslam may I ask in what light do you view i) the common Balochi militants, and ii) unarmed common Balochis killed in Musharraf`s recent bloody campaign against Bugti?

Were the aforementioned terrorists? Separatists? Freedom fighters? Or, simply a nuisance?

which one is ms. Waraich. And why are they demonstrating in front of the Karachi Jail? Are they not allowed to go in? I see the picture but no news.

Ms. Waraich could you please update us here.

She has posted her pic here before, so I don`t think she will mind me saying she is in the blue salwar kameez in front.And I see she is holding up a pic of herself as a child with her family, including her father before he was captured.
All that she is asking is to know what happened. Most of us cannot even comprehend the loss her family has suffered, but we can respect her efforts.