Daughters of Hajar

If women can perform HAJ , along side Men .
If women can prey along side Men , in the Masjid-e-nabwi.
the holiest of the holy places.
why not in other mosques, surely they are not holier then the masjid-e-nabwi..!! or are they..??
Do they have different Rules , for different mosques...??
that a contradiction , isn`t it...cutting deep into the validity of their OWN religion.

One can argue, Masjid-e-Nabwi is different..!!

I ask what or which thing changes....!!

Does Allah Changes..??
or does the Qibla changes...?
Or the Namaz changes...??
or Islam itself changes there ...??

gill sahib,

........... we know that you mean well, but what was the point of this article ? ......... asra nomani does not need this kind of publicity - she is a dead woman walking; it is only a matter of time before some jihadi, inspired by thought leaders like echoboom and other cave dwellers, makes good on the threats ......... here is reality:

Pakistanis executed for adultery

A woman and three men were shot dead in a public execution in a Pakistani village after tribal elders found them guilty of adultery, officials said. The death sentences were ordered by a jirga (council) of elders in the Khyber agency area on the Afghan border.

Re: # 3

hamidm2

I have the same concerns, but here lies the conundrum, where and when does the moderate and liberal voices start expressing their views? Extremists or traditionalists do not wish to cede any debate, thus the threat of carrying out fatwas of execution. This is more of a political question than anything else with official sponsorship from the centre of extremism ie Soodi Urabia and Eye-Ran.

Theological debate has to be decentralized, internationalized and taken to western Universities through religious doctorates. More importantly, muslim states must start sharing authority and responsibility with their citizens as equals so they too feel a stake in the system, right now we have elite minorities trying to hold on to power by pandering to the religious lobbies. This cannot produce enlightened moderation, only heightened premature ejaculation.

Re: # 1Aquires

You are right. I agree with you.In islam women have the right to pray in the Mosque.

Re: # 1

All of them are valid questions; the first source to find the answer to these questions is the Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself. In the absence of his guidance we can formulate our way of doing things but when we have clear guidance from him then there is no ifs, ands, or buts.

As far as women going to msosques is concerned, there is no prohibition on that as some of the most conservative Muslim women do go to mosques in every Muslim society. However, there is a certain decorum that must be maintained inside the mosque. Women must have separate enter and exit doors. While praying, adult men must fill up the first ranks, followed by children, and then women in the back of children leaving one rank empty. Men are charged with leading the prayer. But if there is a congregation where no man is capable of leading prayers then a woman can and should, since praying in a group is prefferd over praying alone.

Now I do not understand where is ambiguity in that. If we question why this arrangement is prescribed by Holy Prophet (pbuh) with an intent to refuse to obey it then we might very well question why pray at all.

Philosopher,

Going through your ilog, I became aware of your loss recently. Plz accept my condolences. May Allah bless the soul of your brother and give you the patience.

Re: # 4rf786

Theological debate has to be decentralized, internationalized and taken to western Universities through religious doctorates]

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Why do we have to take the theological debates to westren universities?If you think that contemporary westren philosophical movements have any intellectual credibility or any of those movements is able to provide the methodology to ,what you call,`decentralize` the theological debates than you yourself need to go to any westren university to `decentralize` your single brain cell so that it may be able to see things in a multidimensional way.
Analysing religio-theological system by an absolutly independent methodology is to commit the same fallacy that muslim world has been commiting for 1200 years by applying greek logic on religion.
when we talk about religio-theological issue we present a separate and independent epistemological dimension,which can sythesise with other epistemological dimensions but can not be analysed by taking any of them as the ultimate criterion unless we develop that epistemology on absolutly certain basis.

Re: # 7Urstruly

Thanx.May Allah bless you.

I personally believe that muslim women seeking equality should not start with being considered equal in spiritual issues, but seek equality in general life. The equality in mosque will follow. Some of the issues to be considered are abolition of polygamy or an equal acceptance of bigamy, equal inheritance rights, acceptance is all fields to work alongside men, and so on. Meanwhile the best the women can do is to abandon the faith that treats them like goats, and stay away from it until it changes from within.

The problem is Asra`s ``CREDIT RATING`` or credibility.

It is not a gender issue, it is not an Islamic issue.

It is a cultural issue.

Would you:
Hire & appoint a Chowkidar..recommended by a person who is a known thief.
Put someone in a position of Trust ( money, secret or dispensing justice etc) who has been known to openly flout & jeer at the constituition , been a tax-evader, or is often seen in the company of drunks, gamblers, or louts like Humped-Dumped2 here.

She has flouted, jeered at basic tenets of Islam. She has aided and abetted & been seen pretty comfortable with those who have no love lost for Islam.

and worst of all, she has tried her best, though unsuccessfully, to bring a bad name to her illustrious ancestor [ though later on it was discovered that she is no relation; it was just
another conning technique in her arsenal)

Who would listen to a person with such a horrible track record?


and Mr. Gill has no credibility either. His track record is not to understand or appreciate Islam & Muslims..but to consistently berate & spite them.

Who would listen to a person with such a horrible track record?

philosopher:
I am sorry to hear the sad news of the death of your brother. May he rest in peace.
Mohammad Gill

Re: # 12freethinker

Thank you very much sir.May God bless you.

#10

Meanwhile the best the women can do is to abandon the faith that treats them like goats, and stay away from it until it changes from within.

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You see how culturally entrenched it is! Why should women abandon the ``goat-faith``. DO you not find it necessary to abandon this goat-faith?

Or do you really enjoy being the progeny of the Satyr....the half-human half-goat brought into this world by the Virgin-Queen, circa 1860 ish?

Re: Philosopher,
``when we talk about religio-theological issue we present a separate and independent epistemological dimension,which can sythesise with other epistemological dimensions but can not be analysed by taking any of them as the ultimate criterion unless we develop that epistemology on absolutly certain basis. ``

So, how do we select one epistemological dimension over another?

Is she the same Asra who

Quickly divorced her pakistani husband


Went on tour with Daniel Pearl and got him killed in Pakstan by endangering his life

Bore an illegitimate child from a servant in karachi intentionally to come back with baby as if to use someone for sperm donation?

She has a friend in Amina Meer another of her like who supports abortion EVEN `late term` abortion about which even the most proponent of all have reservation