The Silent Majority Speaks

As an Indian , i feel that Pakistan army has a country and pakistanis to get served by , rather than a country and pakistanis to serve . Army is bigger than the nation !!! Pakistan does not need any ``dushman`` in India... only the Pak Army needs India to stay powerful in Pakistan..Think about it.

Pakistan as we know it is doomed. Punjab Univeristy is protecting the plagiarizing faculty from Physics department. Lawyers are ``outlawed`` and Judges are being Judged! Dande-Waliyan of Lal Masjid are terrorizing the Mush regime right in Isloo. Altaf Bhai is on a killing spree - remote controlled from London of course. Imran is prevented from traveling within Pakistan. People of Pakistan have no where to turn to, we all know that BB and Nawaz are ``expired medicines``.
All I can do is to invest in Karachi Stock Market -

Pakis...congrats...you`ve really made history...For the first time in the world, the cops have cracked the skulls of lawyers and the people have come down on the side of the lawyers...

nice article,but now i think the civil society should stop talking of these high ranked red collar military officers involved in civil matters.bcoz now the game has moved to another level, first get these SOBEDAARS and HAWALDAARS out of civil institutions.
Just imagine that in Punjab a JCO,sobedaar and hawaaldar has been given the responsibility to rade publically owned schools and hospitals to check the performance of Teachers and Doctors.

A Lie,
Complaining against oppression, injustice, hegemony, rape, looting, and murder does sound like a ``broken record.`` Some people are already sick of the Holocaust - but it doesn`t stop those who want to make sure that such misdeeds are NEVER repeated again. NEVER AGAIN, KOPEK!

Imran,

You raised some very good points but what fears me the most is who will be the one to take his place. We have had enough with all the crappy political leaders and I don`t see any hope for a better change.
God Bless Pakistan formed in the name of Islam with worst followers as the nation.

Under what law is the Chief of Army Staff addressing a meeting of a political party?

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=8350

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/jun-2007/7/index3.php


This is a blatant violation of his oath.

Re: # 42 abu_something_bin_mohmand_bin_gopinath

Sure dude, let`s have Go-mata burgers - I know the best joint... but only if you have bacon on it... can you handle that? I guess not...

See - that`s the problem... you are just a lowly convert, product of rape and lust of some smelly barbarians with a bedouin book up his a$$... even though centuries have past since, you are still afraid to let go... you are still holding on to that book... and dreaming some day you will be considered a bedouin...

But you will remain what you are - weak converted hinud... :)

slimey

u sound like a broken record... give it up already!!!

1. Pakistan Army is run with public money.



2. From the most junior foot soldier to the Chief of Army Staff, all personnel of Pakistan Army are salaried government employees.



3. Pakistan Army is one of many departments of the Ministry of Defence, headed by the Minister of Defence



4. Being a department of the government, Pakistan Army is not above criticism. There is nothing `holy` or `sacred` about Pakistan Army.



5. In all civilised countries, Parliament has the right to know how public money is spent. However, Pakistan Army has never given an account of its expenditures to anyone. No Pakistani general has ever appeared before the Public Accounts Committee.




6. Oath of Office of members of Pakistan Army



Article 244, Third Schedule, Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan



(In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful)

I,

---

, do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan and uphold the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which embodies the will of the people, that I will not engage myself in any political activities whatsoever and that I will honestly and faithfully serve Pakistan in the Pakistan Army as required by and under the law.



May Allah Almighty help me and guide me (A`meen)



7. When the Army is called out to help the civil administration in times of natural calamities or law and order situations, it is not an act of charity (ihsan); the Army simply does its duty for which it is paid. Every national Army in every country does the same. Moreover, Pakistan Army does not help the civil administration free of charge; it gets extra payment for its services.



8. Pakistan Army has never won a war.



9. Despite being a political party in all but name, and despite ruling the country, directly and indirectly, for much of its existence, Pakistan Army has never won an election.



10. Pakistan Army has conquered Pakistan 4 times.

abu safwan saheb...
either you are related to safwan shah, the owner of this site or you are related to general musharraf saheb because anyone else would have been banned for fucking ``chowk guide lines`` by now but you continue to conquer all that you survey...your behaviour on chowk and your put-downs of the lowly hindoos proves your superior genes and immaculate upbringing...iqbal prolly had you in mind when he wrote about the mard-e-momin...

nigaheN mard-e-momin se badal jaati haiN taqdeeraiN

#44 by muqaddam on June 6, 2007 9:59am PT

abu_goatbrain`s great-great-great grandmother should be entitled to a canadian visa and a million $$..unless she liked it...

Re: # 45
Further, one does not have to tell you what the progeny out of wedlock is called- haraam ki aulaad or if you do not understand Hindustani, it is baas tard, what would like to be called?

Re: # 44

The only reason they slept with ur DADI JAAN is because she begged them, can u blame her? Have u seen your grandpa Ramparsad Pkhyutrewqasdafhjklapurjaran, lets just say that bhindi and gobhi is no Afferdijiac, maybe if yo all started eating beef instead of worshipping it u might even grow a ball n ur women wont come running towards us for orgasms. We turn most of them down becuase of obvious BO and ugly issues yo all have but every now n again u gotta do some charity.

Re: # 43
Mr Ghazanavi`s left ball, if you go back tracing your lineage, more likely than not you will learn that you are the product of the rape of some hapless Hindu woman ( who would be your great great great great great great grand mother) by the marauding raiders who you claim to represent. So just take it easy with claiming to be Ghazanavi`s kinsman and have your system analysed for cow urine content and be happy with your Hindu origins, you will be at peace with yourself.

Re: # 34

I represent Mehmood ghaznavi who u guys still have nightmares about, before lecturing me on manners, stop shakingg ur head its disturbing

Re: # 36
abbayy mohroo, where is my Gao-mata burger and feel free to grab a lass of cow-piss for ur self as well. dumb azz bhindiss..

Re: # 32
n u learned that wisdom by addressing the mirror didnt ya einstein?

#24 by chennai on June 5, 2007 6:46pm PT
#20 by Salim_Chauhan
{``Salim, Is it true that these stranded Pakis in B`desh no longer wish to come back to Pakistan and prefer being B`deshis.........
What is the official response of the GOP to their plight..........``}

Chennai Sahib,
People make up all sorts of flimsy and hypocrtical excuses to justify their own unjust, cruel, and racist actions. After 35 years of being ``stranded`` in Bangladesh, and with the continuing poverty, disease, and depravation, it`s possible that in a few more generations, these unfortunate people will not even know what Pakistan is. Then the self-righteous, racist, bigots like Tahmed420 will proclaim ``See these Biharis don`t even know what Pakistan is - how do you expect us to take them?`` :)

The offical GoP response is dead silence on this open/shut case. Saudi Arabia even offered to pay for the costs of their repatriation, but the shameless Punjaibis refused to allow their return. Some officials call them ``Biharis,`` others call them ``Bangladeshi citizens.`` This is the biggest shame on Pakistan`s much blighted face - probably the ONLY 3rd class nation that refuses to readmit its own citizens after losing a cowardly-fought war.

majumdar #28, {``The earthquake part was uncalled for. How were the poor kids who died in the earthquakes responsible for the tragedy of 1971, including what is continuing till today- the Bihari issue. ``}

Majumdar,
Sir, you are absolutely right. That was uncalled for. I just wanted to remind the self-righteous Paki Punjus here that there is a God - and, whether we like it or not, He does punish the transgressors in strange ways. By not allowing 300,000 dark-skinned Pakistanis ``stranded`` in BD, the Paki Punju estabishment may have earned God`s wrath at the expense of innocent, but lighter-skinned people who may be dearer to Paki Punju hearts. Sad, but possibly true.

#35 by narmi on June 6, 2007 3:20am PT


Mutual self respect is very important.


Why do I need to respect a bunch of people who support islamic terrorism...islamic terrorism that is a threat to the whole world....why do I need to respect a bunch of people who have shown a propensity for islamic jihad and getting busted regularly in the process?

Re: # 35

Response of the day!

lets try to learn how to respect each other...

I found this a very sensible post after the initial one by Folio.

Good article by Imran. I feel that most of the writings are lost to the responses that go off the mark and become full of hate.

regards,

Re: # 30

Uh oh - somebody put a torch up abu`s a$$.... :) ... the converted paki is jumping like freak... abusing his own hinud great-great-grand mom, in the hope that somehow that turns him into a bedouin... :)

Dear Friends (from both sides of the border), Keep the conversation healthy and refrain from critisizing each other in a way that sentiments are hurt! This is a forum for open minds and contructive discussions, let us keep it that way. Mutual self respect is very important. Destiny has made us neigbours, we can make the neigbourhood friendly.....
take care all of you.

#30 by abu_safwaan

Abu, I really hope you dont represent the mindset of most Pakis, your post was just filth, indicative of what fills your brain..........

Go man, meet some decent people, get a decent life and then start interacting........

Re: # 22

Folio sahib,

my response was supposed to be a light banter, nothing more or less, but judging by the responses that may have been rather injudicious on my part. Seems we as neighbours still have a long way to travel b4 we can start enjoying each other`s company.

And trust me, I was not trying to put anything in anyone`s mouth :{)

Poster of #30 is like shit. If you throw a stone in shit, only shit will fly back at you.

Re: # 19

arjun jee,

there is a thing called nuclear fallout, but then again the following story has more relevance in your case.

Unrepentant ‘Dr. Death’ still favors right to die
By John Springer

Updated: 11:20 a.m. ET June 5, 2007
Eight years in prison hasn’t changed physician-assisted suicide advocate Jack Kevorkian’s opinion that legislatures can prohibit doctors from helping chronically ill patients end their lives, but no man-made rule can ever take away a person’s “natural right” to decide whether they wish to live or die.

“It is one of our natural rights that we are born with, the right to control the circumstances of one’s own death,” Kevorkian, 79, told TODAY’s Ann Curry on Tuesday during his first live television interview since being released from a Michigan prison last week.

“It can’t be controlled by external forces and be a right,” he told Curry. “The law can block your use of it. That doesn’t mean they destroy the right.”

Re: # 24
chennai mooliramtharanpulasiputharan

``we Indians dont want men wearing upturned nappies``

I think u just dissed ur prime minister.

Of all the women that should be wearing tent, lord knows its hinjoo women, who the fcuk wants to look at ms. inida mayawati and what was the name of that bald headed freak? I m telling u tell ur mums n flatchested nauseating sisters to wear a tent for our sake, cause we wanna savour ur beef God and when ur women appear without a tent ur God comes out in form of puke, aint a pretty picture

Re: # 14

ally,

my apologies for including you with our honorable neighbours. I agree and pray with u for Pakistan to remain in the same shape and form, as for the Generals, in Pakistan`s entire history there has never been a constitutional change in Govts, will that change going forward, maybe, maybe not, but u r right one sud hope for the best.

Salimbhai,

(You get what you deserve - first military dictatorships, then ``democratically`` elected looters, and one earthquake after another. )

The earthquake part was uncalled for. How were the poor kids who died in the earthquakes responsible for the tragedy of 1971, including what is continuing till today- the Bihari issue.

Regards

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#20 by Salim_Chauhan

Salim, Is it true that these stranded Pakis in B`desh no longer wish to come back to Pakistan and prefer being B`deshis.........

What is the official response of the GOP to their plight..........

#13 by rf786

Dear rf786, more than nuclear toxins, we Indians dont want men wearing upturned nappies on their head and women walking in black tents into India............

What is happening in pakistan is pure entertainment........Hollywood style....tne climax is on........gotta go........

Radio Frequency 786,

Nobody is having fun at ur expense, dear. It`s ur misconception.

As usual, u are putting words into our mouths. Sorry said this :-(

#1 rf786 {``Civil society in Pakistan is limited to Karachi, Lahore, Pindi, Islamabad beyond these major urban cities, rest of the country is dominated by baradri, tribal, feudal structures that do not allow any form of civil polity.``}

Bismillah Bhai,
Please remove Lahore and Pindi from your list of civil places in Pakistan. Based on their behavior on Chowk, the Paindoos from these places are far more backward than the Gujjars of GujraaNwala.

{``Full credit goes to the Political government of the time for successfully negotiating the release of over 90,000 military prisoners of war from India. Let us forget about the shameful act of surrender that was performed by one of the most advanced armed forces of the Islamic world in modern history, but let us learn some lessons from the lowest point of our history! ``}

Imran Sahib,
An even more shameful and lower point of our history was when the GoP negotiated the release of 90,000 cowards and left hundreds of thousands of ``stranded`` Pakis in Bangladesh to suffer for the sins and crimes of these cowards. The shameful deed continues to this day, when after 35 years, these ``stranded`` Pakis and their children and even grandchildren continue to suffer and rot in refugee camps. You get what you deserve - first military dictatorships, then ``democratically`` elected looters, and one earthquake after another. When a nation discards its own citizens because they are dark-skinned ``Biharis,`` Allah taketh away other citizens who may be lighter-skinned ``Punjus, Pathans, and Kashmiris`` If the Paki army could perform savagery in East Pakistan, why should it not perform savagery at home? What goes around comes around.

#17 by rf786 on June 5, 2007 8:22am PT

yeah pal..the nuke waste will form a river and flow into India...sure

fact of the matter is that the paki army - or it`s top brass at least - love moolah more than allah...and the jihadis are fighting for allah...either way, the moolah v/s allah battle is good for India anyway it goes...if the jihadis win, the rest of the world will come down on pakiland..if the paki army wins - for a change - the jihadis will start a civil war...

The list of 109 appointments obviously is in addition to the hundreds of lucrative appointments within the armed forces like station commanders, garrison, sub area and area commanders where army brass is lording it over the civilians.
With so much of loot, no wonder Mushy has got his miltry constituency backing him to the hilt.
Pakistan is caught between two devils, mullahs on the one side, wanting their writ to run across the daily life of the citizen and the miltry on the other, having tasted blood in form of loot from the nation`s coffers, wanting to continue ruling the country, both conveniently raising the bogey of India and dangers to Islam to keep the citizen`s quest for freedom under check.
Nothing short of a revolution can change the state of affairs in Pakistan

Re: # 15

arjun jee,

thakur, shaantee yaar. Please read the message again, u have completly misunderstood the meaning.

``splintered`` neighbour can only mean a country that has splintered or broken into pieces and, leaking nuclear toxins implies they have either lost control of their nuclear facilities or they have been destroyed that again will not remain quarrantied to the west, nuclear meltdown is never isolated. Hund sumaj ayee ke naheen?

I have said this before.

Other countries have armies, Pakistani Army has a country, they almost had two but the Afghan’s got away.

Faruk

#13 by rf786 on June 5, 2007 6:20am PT


India does not want a splintered neighbour bleeding with nuclear toxins


Why not? you think the US will just stand by and watch if the jihadis get the nukes? and do you think india won`t retaliate if the jihadis use nukes?

If the jihadis take over, that`ll be really bad for the interests for current and retired top brass of the paki military...so they`ll do what needs to be done to keep the jihadis at bay...

Pakis duking it out with pakis is a great scenario for India..I`m stocking up on buffalo wings and beer....

rf786

I too am a Pakistani like you and also dont want a splintered pak!!! also dont want the Generals in power...

Folio, ally. devkant, chennai

yaar,
hope u guys r having fun at our (pakis) expense, just remember one thing, India does not want a splintered neighbour bleeding with nuclear toxins. Just had to add something from our perspective, hund thay bhund pfhatee hueee hai..

The celabration of Defence Day by/in Pakistan is another attempt to spend ur money 4 the self-aggrandisement of the Army.

#9 by chennai on June 5, 2007 4:04am PT

Chennai,

Lol.

That`s not feasible. MQM kept a seat 4 him in Karachi in the future Parliament of United South Asia. B2B affinity (Bihari2Bihari) ;-)

Lalu indeed done a great job for the railways.

Ally,

The defence ppl are well entrenched on the civil side - the wrong side.

The celabration of Defence Day by/in Pakistan is another attempt to spend ur money 4 the self-aggrandisement by the Army. This article is an evidence as to how deep this rot gone gone into.

Simply put, this is the Patronage Network that`s being developed is wide and deep. There are no easy ways to cut this whole network.

I said it b4. Gather ppl in crores that surround the GHQ, National Assembly and other vital state installations. Let the General declare retirement.

(Btw, dont guillotine him and his family like they it in French Revolution).

Croatians did it (Orange Revolution). Phippinos did it (to remove Estarda). Nepalese did it recently.

Pakistanis are emotional like we Indians are. They gather in lakhs to protest against some silly cartoons but not for the `real` issues. May be that`s how we philosophise abt Pakistan and her fate. :-(

#2 by Folio

Folio, my contribution as an Indian would be to get Lallu Prasad Yadav to run Pakistan for a minimum period of 10 years, with complete autonomy and freedom!

We would then see a completely ``turned around`` Pakistan not exporting high quality Jehadism but importing good old values from you know who.........

#7

as can be seen by all, the Pakistan army officers are not that much different from their Indian counterparts! Now imagine India being ruled by them!!! God Forbid!!!

`#6 by ally on June 5, 2007 3:43am PT
#3 not a bad idea, tho in reality we dont want them there in the first place...`

ally....no country wants its military beyond the barracks, except when it is required. however, in pakistan`s case the military is everywhere except in the barracks. so if u have to live with it, might as well get them to it properly rather than making a mess out of it.

as an after thought, i have met some officers of the indian amy, i must confess that except for fighting, they are almost good for nothing.

#3 not a bad idea, tho in reality we dont want them there in the first place...

from todays paper

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007 06 05 story_5-6-2007_pg7_17

EU ban on PIA airbuses may last till November

KARACHI: The ban on Pakistan International Airline’s (PIA) aircrafts from flying to European countries may last for another six months, as no positive development could be made during talks held in Brussels last week between Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and International Civil Aviation Authority (ICAA) and European Union’s Air Safety Commission officials.

The ICAA and EU’s safety commission made it clear during the talks that no compromise would be made on safety standards. The EU barred PIA airbuses from flying to European countries because of safety concerns in June 2006 and asked the airline’s management to improve the safety standard. According to sources, the ICCA and EU safety commission officials told the CAA delegation that a safety commission delegation would visit Pakistan next month to see the measures being taken by PIA’s administration to improve safety in its fleet. online

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Also see

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007 06 05 story_5-6-2007_pg1_10

and

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007 06 05 story_5-6-2007_pg1_1

Musharraf gags media

* PEMRA allowed to seal channels, suspend licences, make new rules without informing parliament
* Council of Complaints withdrawn
* Fine for violation of rules increased tenfold

By Zulfiqar Ghuman

As well as these direct army ppl in civil jobs, there are many civil appointees who are not supposed to be there but carry favour with Mush and crew... eg. Tarik Kirmani (ex-petroleum guy) chairman PIA, PIA is now banned from flying to Europe except for its new planes... so he has been replaced by some other twit who has no idea about the industry!!!

There are many others too... Army should go back to the baracks and leave running of the country to civil society....

#2 would be helpful if all your country men thought like that!

`They are not allowed to assume such roles and they are not trained for these non -military roles. `

your thoughts are very noble indeed, but it seems that the military of your country enjoys playing god. so the best way out of this mess could be that all military personal of your country rising beyond the rank of a major must clear a full time MBA course in case his services are required in business fields and he wants to coontinue being the in military.

my above thoughts are only inline with the reality of your country.

A good expose` by the author.
Yesterday the book Military Inc now this article.

We as Indians have this moral responsibility to help Pakistanis, in whichever meagre way possible, to help them come out this unending General saga.

rf786, well said.

Dear writer,

Very good article, one can only hope and pray that civil society in Pakistan whatever is left of it can assert itself.

Civil society in Pakistan is limited to Karachi, Lahore, Pindi, Islamabad beyond these major urban cities, rest of the country is dominated by baradri, tribal, feudal structures that do not allow any form of civil polity. Even the major urban cities are subject to feudal mindsets and military (militant) controls, therefore Iam not sure where civil society can make a difference, if the recent popular wave seen for the CJP is an example, well this will be a one time event that can very easily be reversed through military or religious edicts.

Still, good article and noble ideas, wish u well.