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#91 Posted by razaraja on October 4, 2007 11:03:03 am
I think coverage should be judged by its actual effect. For many CJ's extensive coverage was one of the major reasons behind putting Government on the backfoot and making 20th July's verdict possible. This may not mean much to individuals who think that the entire issue is irrelevant but a lot to those who participated in that movement.
Many a times our "judgement" is based on whether we like the issue which is being covered or think that the issue is relevant to the current problems. Moreover our judgement is also based on whether media's presentation of the issue endorses our viewpoint or not. If media is presenting our version than charges of over sensationalism are less likely to take place. Though media does sensationalize but its actual extent is severly disputable.
Many a times our "judgement" is based on whether we like the issue which is being covered or think that the issue is relevant to the current problems. Moreover our judgement is also based on whether media's presentation of the issue endorses our viewpoint or not. If media is presenting our version than charges of over sensationalism are less likely to take place. Though media does sensationalize but its actual extent is severly disputable.
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#89 Posted by masadi on June 20, 2007 1:23:41 am
HP <<< While commenting on politics, one should at least try to understand who is saying what and where they come from. >>>
Great point, tahmed does not understand it because you have insinuated that the objects of his unconditional worship ``might`` have an agenda and might not be spending tens of billions annually in hidden budgets for ``civilization`` and ``democracy`` promotion. While instructing me to learn about the Soviet/Afghan war, he pointed me to the book Charlie Wilson`s War, written by US official bs promoter, 60-minutes producer George Crile, just as he is point others on here to Ahmed Rashid.
One of the reviewers of the book commented about Charlie Wilson`s War on Amazon.com `` The direction of one sided, pro-government ``journalism`` which serves as one of the tools used to brainwash the average American. ``
Finally his end point about HP being a ``lab specimen`` and a hater of Pakistan fits right in with his religion of dehumanizing all those who don`t agree with official US bs (in the fashion practiced by his gods who have segregated and stratified society based on just such criteria), as well as translating hate for the inhumane policies of the US into hate for Pakistan, -similar methodology is employed by the US elite as they try to convince the average American that what they desire is similar to what benefits the common man on the street...
Great point, tahmed does not understand it because you have insinuated that the objects of his unconditional worship ``might`` have an agenda and might not be spending tens of billions annually in hidden budgets for ``civilization`` and ``democracy`` promotion. While instructing me to learn about the Soviet/Afghan war, he pointed me to the book Charlie Wilson`s War, written by US official bs promoter, 60-minutes producer George Crile, just as he is point others on here to Ahmed Rashid.
One of the reviewers of the book commented about Charlie Wilson`s War on Amazon.com `` The direction of one sided, pro-government ``journalism`` which serves as one of the tools used to brainwash the average American. ``
Finally his end point about HP being a ``lab specimen`` and a hater of Pakistan fits right in with his religion of dehumanizing all those who don`t agree with official US bs (in the fashion practiced by his gods who have segregated and stratified society based on just such criteria), as well as translating hate for the inhumane policies of the US into hate for Pakistan, -similar methodology is employed by the US elite as they try to convince the average American that what they desire is similar to what benefits the common man on the street...
#88 Posted by masadi on June 20, 2007 12:41:45 am
tahmed wrote <<< HP - Please dont make generalizations like ``nothing moves in Pakistan unless the US says so``. An entire mountain moved in Chagai due to explosion of nuclear bombs built by Pakistan over a period of decades despite strong US opposition >>>
Of course when this person`s gods are insulted he has to rise to the occassion to defend them using flimsy reasoning. Better stated his reason should have read thus:
An entire mountain moved in Chagai due to explosion of nuclear bombs built by Pakistan over a period of decades despite the appearance of strong US opposition. Which is quite similar to the appearance of strong US support for democracy in Pakistan. Not to mention that soon after the mountain moved, the leadership that moved the mountain was moved into exile and the institution that has historically done the bidding of the US, assumed power, whose dictator general was fully supported by the U.S elite
Of course when this person`s gods are insulted he has to rise to the occassion to defend them using flimsy reasoning. Better stated his reason should have read thus:
An entire mountain moved in Chagai due to explosion of nuclear bombs built by Pakistan over a period of decades despite the appearance of strong US opposition. Which is quite similar to the appearance of strong US support for democracy in Pakistan. Not to mention that soon after the mountain moved, the leadership that moved the mountain was moved into exile and the institution that has historically done the bidding of the US, assumed power, whose dictator general was fully supported by the U.S elite
#90 Posted by PewResearch on June 20, 2007 6:13:17 am
Re: # 88 Masadi
``...despite the appearance of strong US opposition...``
Excellent point!
``...despite the appearance of strong US opposition...``
Excellent point!
#87 Posted by masadi on June 19, 2007 10:09:22 am
okhla writes <<< Does it actually take a physical kick on your behind to make you go away?? >>>
No, it will take something more, a jdam probably. I am not going away AH. I will be there to challenge the BS of your kind, supporter of dictators and US hegemony, slaves of the white man. Be afraid, be very afraid because I am not going away, regardless of your lies about rejection and deportation-NONE of which is true...
No, it will take something more, a jdam probably. I am not going away AH. I will be there to challenge the BS of your kind, supporter of dictators and US hegemony, slaves of the white man. Be afraid, be very afraid because I am not going away, regardless of your lies about rejection and deportation-NONE of which is true...
#83 Posted by PewResearch on June 19, 2007 5:52:27 am
Hello, Friends:
Paki Cabinet minister mesmerises the world with his deep understanding of root cause analysis. He also explains why homicide bombings are acceptable. Fully grown, champion Paki muslim males like Tahmed (#74), on the other hand, believes that this is a passing fever of `political instability`, not a symptom of a larger and more serious, deadly disease called `moralcompassmisalignitis`.
Speaking about Sir Salman Rushdie, Pakistani Cabinet Minister Mr. Mohammed Ijaz ul-Haq said, `If someone exploded a bomb on his body, he would be right to do so unless the British government apologizes and withdraws the `sir` title``.
He was joined by the Islamic Republic of Iran in offering a similar condemnation.
Paki Cabinet minister mesmerises the world with his deep understanding of root cause analysis. He also explains why homicide bombings are acceptable. Fully grown, champion Paki muslim males like Tahmed (#74), on the other hand, believes that this is a passing fever of `political instability`, not a symptom of a larger and more serious, deadly disease called `moralcompassmisalignitis`.
Speaking about Sir Salman Rushdie, Pakistani Cabinet Minister Mr. Mohammed Ijaz ul-Haq said, `If someone exploded a bomb on his body, he would be right to do so unless the British government apologizes and withdraws the `sir` title``.
He was joined by the Islamic Republic of Iran in offering a similar condemnation.
#80 Posted by masadi on June 18, 2007 11:26:25 pm
Read the article on Social Movement Structure that Mohammad Gill and other Chowk Editors censored and didn`t publish, because they want to hide things that might benefit humanity, all they are interested in is publishing their pseudo-plagirized, thoughtless, tape-recorder-esque (their brains, the finished products of colonial education designed for the ``inferiors`` and the colonized mindset, can only reproduce stuff that is rote-memorized, in other words their brains function as mere tape recorders that spit out in more or less similar words what they have read in other places, there is no connection of concepts, no original thought and no critical analysis even as there is consistent worship of all things Western by them) articles.
Chowk readers take back the site that belongs to you and not these ignorant AHs.
Chowk readers take back the site that belongs to you and not these ignorant AHs.
#86 Posted by okhla99 on June 19, 2007 9:01:45 am
Re: # 80
Shut up Masadi. Take your weird articles to lulu.com, where they truly belong.
Can you not understand REJECTION?? Does it actually take a physical kick on your behind to make you go away??
I have already pointed out that you have been comprehensively rejected by the US school which got you deported, the Pakistani college which saw your true colors and finally by Chowk editors. Ordnary Chowkies like me had recognized your true Zero-potential long back.
Abb hutt jaa !!!
Hawaa aane de bhai !!!
Shut up Masadi. Take your weird articles to lulu.com, where they truly belong.
Can you not understand REJECTION?? Does it actually take a physical kick on your behind to make you go away??
I have already pointed out that you have been comprehensively rejected by the US school which got you deported, the Pakistani college which saw your true colors and finally by Chowk editors. Ordnary Chowkies like me had recognized your true Zero-potential long back.
Abb hutt jaa !!!
Hawaa aane de bhai !!!
#77 Posted by PewResearch on June 18, 2007 7:27:21 pm
Hi there, friends. Here is an interesting tid-bit that I had never heard of before. From The Dawn:
US Assistant of State Secretary Richard Boucher, while addressing a meeting of leaders of Pakistan opposition parties — besides making other statements concerning Pakistan’s internal affairs — also stated that he would examine the voters’ lists issued by Election Commission.
The question arises why he is examining these lists. Can he, being a foreign national, order any changes in the lists?
MOHAMMAD RAFI
Karachi
The mystery gets deeper!
US Assistant of State Secretary Richard Boucher, while addressing a meeting of leaders of Pakistan opposition parties — besides making other statements concerning Pakistan’s internal affairs — also stated that he would examine the voters’ lists issued by Election Commission.
The question arises why he is examining these lists. Can he, being a foreign national, order any changes in the lists?
MOHAMMAD RAFI
Karachi
The mystery gets deeper!
#75 Posted by tahmed32 on June 18, 2007 5:58:30 pm
The PS at the end of #74 is directed to pepe le pew, not HP, btw.
#74 Posted by tahmed32 on June 18, 2007 5:56:24 pm
HP #71 but did you realize that all US officials dealing with Pakistan are new to Pakistan? i didnt. This has nothing to do with pov.
While commenting on politics, one should at least try to understand who is saying what and where they come from.
I think this is the wrong focus. The focus should be in what is being said explicitly and what additional info is being unintentionally provided. E.g. - see #73 below from this freak with the pompous nick of pewresearch. Does his post tell me anything new? Not really. We all know Pakistan is going through a period of political instability and sure someone somewhere will reach the meaningless conclusion that it is a ``failed state``. So this freak tells me nothing new about Pakistan. He does tell me a lot about himself unintentionally: That there are freaks on chowk who live in a dream world of Pakistan being a failed state (as in case of this freak), or of all goras converting to Islam (the pipedream of that other freak, echoboom). But even that is nothing new any more.
So, without knowing ``who is saying what and where they come from``, one can still tell a lot just by reading what someone wrote. Thus, coming back to ahmed rashid, I found him his article to be focussed on facts rather than conjecture, and for these facts to ring true (i.e. be internally consistent as well as consistent with other info you are already aware of. Hope you see what I mean.
PS: I used your post as an example like one would refer to a lab specimen, so dont try to use the above reference to you to try and start a pompous ``discussion`` with me as you keep trying to do. My precious chowk time is not meant to be wasted on a self-important Pakistan-hating indivdiual like you.
While commenting on politics, one should at least try to understand who is saying what and where they come from.
I think this is the wrong focus. The focus should be in what is being said explicitly and what additional info is being unintentionally provided. E.g. - see #73 below from this freak with the pompous nick of pewresearch. Does his post tell me anything new? Not really. We all know Pakistan is going through a period of political instability and sure someone somewhere will reach the meaningless conclusion that it is a ``failed state``. So this freak tells me nothing new about Pakistan. He does tell me a lot about himself unintentionally: That there are freaks on chowk who live in a dream world of Pakistan being a failed state (as in case of this freak), or of all goras converting to Islam (the pipedream of that other freak, echoboom). But even that is nothing new any more.
So, without knowing ``who is saying what and where they come from``, one can still tell a lot just by reading what someone wrote. Thus, coming back to ahmed rashid, I found him his article to be focussed on facts rather than conjecture, and for these facts to ring true (i.e. be internally consistent as well as consistent with other info you are already aware of. Hope you see what I mean.
PS: I used your post as an example like one would refer to a lab specimen, so dont try to use the above reference to you to try and start a pompous ``discussion`` with me as you keep trying to do. My precious chowk time is not meant to be wasted on a self-important Pakistan-hating indivdiual like you.
#78 Posted by PewResearch on June 18, 2007 8:20:08 pm
Re: # 74 Tahmed32
I also realized that in your `discussion` with HP, I am irrelevant. However, you chose to pay me some compliments to burnish your Paki credentials and `improve` your credibility with HP and others by making personal attacks (no, observations!), but ignoring the substance of the Failed States Index research. You also sidestepped HP`s assertions. And you still get hernia by reading my nick! I find that immensely satisfying!
CIAO
I also realized that in your `discussion` with HP, I am irrelevant. However, you chose to pay me some compliments to burnish your Paki credentials and `improve` your credibility with HP and others by making personal attacks (no, observations!), but ignoring the substance of the Failed States Index research. You also sidestepped HP`s assertions. And you still get hernia by reading my nick! I find that immensely satisfying!
CIAO
#76 Posted by PewResearch on June 18, 2007 7:22:23 pm
Re: # 74 Tahmed
Thanks for the compliments! Appreciate it! I did think that I was providing some new, hot-off-the-press information. The Failed State Index is a brand new index that I had never heard off before.
CIAO
Thanks for the compliments! Appreciate it! I did think that I was providing some new, hot-off-the-press information. The Failed State Index is a brand new index that I had never heard off before.
CIAO
#73 Posted by PewResearch on June 18, 2007 2:53:00 pm
Congratulations, Pakis!
You guys just missed making the Top 10 of the 2007 Failed States Index by the thickness of the hair on your beards. You ranked 12, outclassing Sudan, Zimbabwe and Chad, but bested by North Korea, Bangladesh (rank 16) and Myanmar! A few more years of El Presidente Musharraf may take you over the top (if you know what I mean!)
India was ranked 110.
You guys just missed making the Top 10 of the 2007 Failed States Index by the thickness of the hair on your beards. You ranked 12, outclassing Sudan, Zimbabwe and Chad, but bested by North Korea, Bangladesh (rank 16) and Myanmar! A few more years of El Presidente Musharraf may take you over the top (if you know what I mean!)
India was ranked 110.
#79 Posted by Chennai on June 18, 2007 10:59:59 pm
Re: # 73
Well, you must be pleased. Pakistan was ranked 8 in 2006 and now has progressed to 12. In a few thousand years it will reach ``sustainable status``
Well, you must be pleased. Pakistan was ranked 8 in 2006 and now has progressed to 12. In a few thousand years it will reach ``sustainable status``
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