Fox off!

Nadeem Sahib, {``The honeymoon is over, and the post-honeymoon period usually constitutes a seriousness and thought that has nothing to do with blood-soaked pictures put on a loop or talk-shows that can even give Jerry Springer an inferiority complex.
``}

Nadeem Bhai,
Now that you mention Jerry Springer, I think that Pakistan can really benefit by discussing ALL of our serious issues on a program that emulates the Jerry Springer Show. Jerry Springer has really helped the mental health of numerous Americans by trivializing homosexuality, lesbianism, racism, marriage, divorce, incest, infidelity, and jealousy. In some ways, this approach could be rather healthy.

Re: # 31 NFP

[Waisey, the word bhaandpan I think is good enough to shake people into becoming aware, don`t you think?]

Agreed.

shake(sometimes shock) people into becoming aware of the `Bhaand`s` (psuedo)intellectual level.

don`t you think?

These 24x7 channels are still evolving in India and Pakistan. These foreign channels are hardly role models for us except in the areas of presentation modes & technology.

CNN is not good for any analysis on any intl issue. They are essentially an American channel with American viewpoint on all issues across the board.

Indian news channels are disgusting. They cant distinguish btw `national` news and local i.e Delhi news. Perhaps they dont understand the vastness of India@. 1. If it rains well in Delhi they report it to the national viewers 2. Interviewers talk more than interviewees. 3. Mouth talks ahead of their thoughts (they just shoot their mouths; never thoughtful).

Not many quality newsmen in India (in the mould of Dan Rather, not yet) :-(.

@ Taiwan refused visas to Chinese-looking ppl in India. National media shud demonstrate there are Chinese-looking ppl in India as well. Unfortunately national media orgs look for Punjabi-looking gaals and boyz.

These 24x7 channels are still evolving in India and Pakistan. Those foreign channels (CNN, Fox etc) are hardly role models for us except in the areas of presentation modes & technology.

Fox is beneath contempt. CNN is not good for any analysis on any intl issue. They are essentially American channels with American viewpoint on all issues across the board.

Indian news channels are disgusting. They cant distinguish btw `national` news and `local` i.e Delhi news. Perhaps they dont understand the vastness of India@. 1. If it rains well in Delhi they report it to the national viewers 2. Interviewers talk more than interviewees. 3. Mouth talks ahead of their thoughts (they just shoot their mouths; never thoughtful).

Not many quality newsmen in India in the mould of Dan Rather, not yet. :-(.

@ Taiwan refused visas to Chinese-looking ppl in India. National media shud demonstrate that there are Chinese-looking ppl in India as well. Unfortunately national media orgs look for Punjabi-looking gaals and boyz.

#26 by baaghiraja

Your riveting defense of MQM is unfortunate. Any one who claims to have a little bit of liberal or progressive political blood in his veins would not have written what you wrote about MQM.
“It`s a planted word that has nothing to do with what the MQM is all about.”

Duh! I remember some time way back in the eighties or in the early nineties on a visit to Karachi, one progressive tried to compare Pir sahib of choori sharif with GM Syed and I almost killed that progressive mohajir. Yes! GM Syed showed parochial tendencies but he never preached violence and his parochialism was the result of years of frustration and maltreatment by the army and other political bosses in Pakistan.

Of course, you have to be Benito plus a socialist to be truly a fascist and Pir sahib of Agra does not even understand many threads of socialism and has no idea who Benito was. So I can agree with you that MQM is not a fascist party or Pir matherchod is not a fascist. I would instead recommend that he be called serial murderer and his party MQM, the followers of thug sect that gained notoriety for robbing and killing people using hankies and were either the followers or the forerunners of Robinhood type of gangsters.

There is nothing complex in Karachi that you bring up every time when you run out of arguments.

Show me why you think “Karachi is a complex city with complex politics.” I would certainly like to learn this from a learned liberal who is willing to condone MQM under the nonsensical pretext that Karachi is complex.

HP
I gave a reason behind my using the word planted. Where do you think this word fascist for the MQM came from? Certainly not from the party`s (albeit not very peaceful) deeds, but from the agencies who`ve always had influence over what some journalists write or say. This is not a wishy-washy conspiracy theory that I was talking about. I was quoting a fact I was an eye-witness of.
Of course, I have no problem condemning the MQM. I was one of first ones (in Karachi, along with Zafar Abbas), in the early 90s to do so. But as one gets involved more and more in understanding who is what and why in the political landscape of Karachi, he/she realizes that it is rather naive to be so emotionally dismissive about the forces that run this city. Because this dismissive stance is not always ones own; in other words, on most occasions than not, it is usually a projected reality emphasized by not very sincere and truthful ``patriots.``

And another thing. Zafar Abbas got beaten by some MQM members in 1992 and I was constantly threatened. But does that make MQM “fascist?” No. Because ever since 1979, there have been more attacks and threats on journalists by the Jamaat-e-Islami and its student wing compared to MQM`s record in this respect. Does that make the Jamaat fascist? No. All I meant was that terms like “fascist” cannot be used so carelessly. Because if MQM is fascist, than according to my experience as a student activist and journalist, so are almost all political parties in Pakistan.
I find calling MQM fascist a terrible over-simplification of an issue that far more complex.

#8 Even on Chowk, I have seldom seen anyone as pretentious and pseudo as NFP. And that other thing who does that program on TV views..news...whatever... he is even worse.... I saw a column by him in the News, daily, where his introduction said ``the writer is a former Rhodes Scholar....`` . Gosh !

Unoriginal, third rate wanna be Intellectual (?) upstarts ! But the fact that is even more grave than that these people exist is that most people seem to think they are some cool piece of S _ _ t.

Thank you, Wasif. I love you too.

Re: # 39

`` I find calling MQM fascist a terrible over-simplification of an issue that far more complex ``


I will agree to that.

Re: # 39

`` I find calling MQM fascist a terrible over-simplification of an issue that far more complex ``


I will agree to that.

Here is the deal.

News is the same on all channels. What is different is the editorial/opinion on this news.
Your abiity to extract the information is the key.

If not then:
(a)If you are a right-wing GOP man then FOX News it is
(b)If you are moderately right wing CNN is for you
(c)If you think in terms of ``Rule Britannia`` andits subtle variations BBC is for you
(d)If you are a centrist mug - then you are a mug and you have to assimilate all the channels and find the middle ground for yourself
(e)If you are a lefty - then WTF are doing with NEWS channels they are all a part of a vast ``capitalist conspiracy`` and you believe in believe the exact opposite of the news
(f) if you donot want to ``consume news`` and have a life watch Sas-Bahu or whatever

QUOTE OF THE DAY

``Hum aitraaf karte haiN keh inn dehshatgard qasaaiyon ko hum nay bhi doodh pilaaya hoa hay``

...... Khawaja Asif ML(N) at the joint conference between Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif.