Fox off!

Nadeem, have you switched to Khabarnama on PTV as the most authentic news source? The graphic content on public television channels should be moderated, but censorship beyond that steps on the freedom of expression. Ultimately, given all choices, the viewers need to make the call on what they want to watch. The state of affairs in Pakistan is not ``normal`` these days and that is reflected in the media (both local and international). Unfortunately, it just seems to be getting worse, as Musharraf is trying to cling to power by all means while his honeymoon with the US is approaching its logical end.

Re: # 65

tahmed32

Ahmed Rashid to me is the best authority on Afghanistan, tribal areas and central Asian politics. When Ahmed Rashid speaks he has experience, contacts and political insight that many others lack, it was his books that exposed the taliban and Al Qaeda when many writers and intellectuals were hailing Taliban as the only solution. Thanku for posting his article, greatly appreciated.

Bells are ringing for Musharraf who lost support of the influential secular intellectuals who defended his takeover hoping for a change to be utterly disappointed.

Brilliant, informative article in the Washington Post by Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid.

Musharraf`s Double Game to Cling to Power

Excerpts:

Game 1: The Musharraf-Cheney Connection

...Current and past US Officials tell me that Pakistan policy is essentially being run from Cheney`s office. The vice president, they say, is close to Musharraf and refuses to brook any U.S. criticism of him. This all fits; in recent months, I`m told, Pakistani opposition politicians visiting Washington have been ushered in to meet Cheney`s aides, rather than taken to the State Department.

With Cheney in charge and Rice in eclipse, rumblings of alarm can be heard at the Defense Department and the CIA. While neither agency is usually directly concerned with decision-making on Pakistan, both boast officers with far greater expertise than the White House and State Department crew. These officers, many of whom have served in Islamabad or Kabul, understand the double game that Musharraf has played -- helping the United States go after al-Qaeda while letting his intelligence services help the Taliban claw their way back in Afghanistan. The Pentagon and the CIA have been privately expressing concern about the lack of an alternative to blind support for Musharraf. Ironically, both departments have historically supported military rulers in Pakistan. They seem to have learned their lesson. ...

Game 2: The Musharraf-Mullah Connection

the Taliban and al-Qaeda are now deeply entrenched in the tribal border belt adjacent to Afghanistan. These groups gained political legitimacy last year when Musharraf signed a series of dubious peace deals with the Pakistani Taliban. They are now coming down from the mountains to spread their radical ideology in towns and cities by burning down DVD and TV shops, insisting that young men grow beards, forcibly recruiting schoolboys for the jihad and terrifying girls so that they won`t attend school. The military has refused to put a brake on their extremism.

Musharraf promised the international community that he would purge pro-Taliban elements from his security services and convinced the Bush administration that his philosophy of ``enlightened moderation`` was the only way to fend off Islamic extremism. But Pakistan today is the center of global Islamic terrorism, with Osama bin Laden and Taliban leader Mohammad Omar probably living here.

Instead of confronting this threat, the army has focused on keeping Musharraf in power -- negotiating with extremists, letting radical Islamic students set up a base in Islamabad and so forth. Meanwhile, to spook the West into continuing to support him, Musharraf continues to grossly exaggerate the strength of the Islamic parties that he warns might take over his nuclear-armed country. In fact, the United States would be far safer if it pushed for a truly representative Pakistani government that could marginalize the jihadists, rather than placing all its eggs in Musharraf`s basket.

Reproduced under is the article that the AH editors of CHOWK censored as they have censored many of my previous articles. These idiot editors on Chowk of which the major one is Mohammad Gill (the writer of pseudo-plagiarized BS), have mastered, like the US media, the art of drowning relevant discussion by either outright censorship or bombardment with BS. Read the article under and judge for yourselves whether it should have been published or not:

FACTIONALISM, SOCIAL MOVEMENT STRUCUTRE AND SOCIAL CHANGE by M. Asadi

Re: # 68

HP,

This is not the first time Ahmed Rashid has criticized the current setup, he has always been a vocal opponent to the administrations duplicity. I fail to understand why you take offence to his opinion afterall thats what u have been parroting is nt it?

In your opinion Ahmed Rashid is a parrot and stenographer, thats your prerogative but in my opinion thats one solitary, negligible opinion of a demented meglomaniac.

#66 by rf786

I don’t blame you for your lack of knowledge. Ahmed Rashid has been carrying water for the US State dept and the CIA for a long time. There is nothing he writes which is hidden or is news for people who understand and follow the game that is played in our part of the world.

This is a known fact that the Pak army has special relationship with the Pentagon. State dept or the CIA have very little input in what goes on in Pakistan. At times Pakistan becomes the soccer ball when CIA, state dept and the Pentagon collide with each other in establishing US foreign policy goals. There is no denying that Pakistan army and musharaf were supported by both Rumsfeld and Cheney during the last six or seven years. Even before that, it was pentagon which always kept its communication and good relations with Pakistan going even during the darkest days of Pakistan-US relations in the 90s. Since Rumsfeld is now gone, Cheney is Pakistan army’s main supporter in the US establishment. So what Ahmed Rashid wrote is not something new. He is just stating the obvious.

Watch the recent proceedings in Pakistan and realize how little control Pakistanis have over their own country. Richard Boucher, The CIA-State dept guy goes to Pakistan and attempted to impress upon the Pakistan politicians that US supports change in Pakistan. Musharaf refuses to meet him. Immediately, Negroponte shows up. He is Cheney’s man and Musharaf is glad to meet him. His visit is followed by Admiral Fallen to reassure the Pak army that the Pentagon will not let the army down in the proposed new set up in Pakistan. CIA and the State dept take offense and Condi summons Pak foreign minister to Washington and he is already there.

Just a few weeks ago both General Ihsan ul Haque, the chairman of the joint chiefs and Ehsan Saleem Hayat, the army`s vice chief of staff, were in Washington and they spent time with Negroponte and Cheney.

“According to the ex-Pakistani official, both men were recently in Washington, sounding out senior officials: ``They didn`t come to Washington for a Burger King meal.`` A State Department official confirms that ul-Haq met in May with Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte, but could not say the same for Hayat.”

Here is my post on this issue on another blog:

Nothing moves in Pakistan w/o the US approval, especially of Pentagon.

CIA and the State dept are going after Musharaf for sometime now but he always had Pentagon’s support and that is what matters in the current Pakistan. CIA or the State dept, no matter what they say about Musharaf, will not be able to remove him.

Musharaf lost his biggest ally Rumsfeld. Cheney is still there but it seems that Gates is not really interested in Musharaf. So we may see some change.

However, they still have to find a solution as to how to transfer power.

Ehsan ul-Haq, the chairman of the joint chiefs is unimportant. He cannot replace Musharaf. Number 2 man in Pakistan is Ehsan Saleem Hayat, the army`s vice chief of staff. But as long as he is the deputy, he will not be able to remove Musharaf.

The best option is to force Musharaf to not run for the post of President again and resign his Chief of the Army Staff position thus allowing the current Vice Chief to strike a deal with the politicians, especially Benazir Bhutto and her allies.
Posted by: HP
Date: June 11, 2007 11:10 PM

Ahmed Rashid is a parrot and a stenographer.

rf/HP: I dont know much about ahmed rashid, and that does not matter since it is the article that I found informative and quite credible. So, I agree with rf that HP is out of line in his uncalled for personal attacks on rashid.

HP - Please dont make generalizations like ``nothing moves in Pakistan unless the US says so``. An entire mountain moved in Chagai due to explosion of nuclear bombs built by Pakistan over a period of decades despite strong US opposition. By pointing to the US, you are merely taking responsibility for the internal political mess in Pakistan as well the mullah violence in Afghanistan and Kashmi away from where it properly belongs - the Pakistani military generals.

Tahmed,

``HP - Please dont make generalizations like ``nothing moves in Pakistan unless the US says so``.

The context was clear. It was about politics and regime change in Pakistan.

I wrote about Cheney`s connection with Musharaf on June 11th and Rashid wrote that on the 15th. So what was the secret or new information he revealed?

Dr. Aysha had to leave Pakistan for documenting known facts about the Pak army. Rashid writes much more about the Pak army`s involvement with Taliban and as I understand, he is still in Pakistan.
His articles in various publications and his books represent a certain pov which is associated with the CIA and the State dept pov in Pakistani affairs.

While commenting on politics, one should at least try to understand who is saying what and where they come from. I said it before and I will say it again Rashid is carrying water for the CIA.

There are many in Pakistan who have lived on CIA`s dole and that include many Generals and journalists in the past and some may be now.

Interviews conducted in selected parts of Karachi aren`t exactly the best way of gauging public opinion in a city with more than 10 million souls. The same question will evoke a different answer in Sohrab Goth shopping markets, than in Azizabad, Boat Basin and Malir.

Secondly, people are maturer than most generals and pseudo-intellectuals would like us to believe. The human mind is capable of receiving thousands of images/soundbytes every day, and deciding which ones to ``store`` and which ones to ``delete``.

Media should be allowed to cover the truth, even if the coverage appears raw and insensitive to a few. At least that prevents conspiracy theories and vicious rumours from spreading.

Re: # 84 Chennai

It actually gets better than Cabinet minister Haq`s statement. The lower house National Assembly and the assemblies of Punjab NWFP, and Sindh provinces denounced the knighthood Monday, while the Foreign Ministry vowed to formally convey the sentiments of Pakistanis to the British government. “This house strongly condemns the decision to confer the title of Sir on Salman Rushdie, who is hated in the Muslim world for his blasphemous book The Satanic Verses,” the NWFP resolution said. Pakistan`s foreign ministry has joined in with a spokesman saying, `Salman Rushdie has tried to insult and malign Muslims,`` regarding ``the insensitive decision``. I now fully understand what champion Paki alpha male Tahmed means when he calls me a `Pakistan-hater`. You see simple assertions evoke the wildest of reactions from Cabinet ministers down to Chowk posters.

Re: # 81

Good for Pakistan. It is on its way in fulfilling the dream Mr Gin-ahh had for its citizens.I have no doubt Pakistan will be the world largest exporter soon.........

Of suicide bombers, Jehadists and so on........

Way to go........Pure Land?

Re: # 79 Chennai

Here is a Romairesque measure of that progress: annual growth rate=50%! That is indeed uplifting!

Re: # 73

Well, you must be pleased. Pakistan was ranked 8 in 2006 and now has progressed to 12. In a few thousand years it will reach ``sustainable status``

Congratulations, Pakis!
You guys just missed making the Top 10 of the 2007 Failed States Index by the thickness of the hair on your beards. You ranked 12, outclassing Sudan, Zimbabwe and Chad, but bested by North Korea, Bangladesh (rank 16) and Myanmar! A few more years of El Presidente Musharraf may take you over the top (if you know what I mean!)

India was ranked 110.

Re: # 74 Tahmed

Thanks for the compliments! Appreciate it! I did think that I was providing some new, hot-off-the-press information. The Failed State Index is a brand new index that I had never heard off before.
CIAO

Re: # 74 Tahmed32

I also realized that in your `discussion` with HP, I am irrelevant. However, you chose to pay me some compliments to burnish your Paki credentials and `improve` your credibility with HP and others by making personal attacks (no, observations!), but ignoring the substance of the Failed States Index research. You also sidestepped HP`s assertions. And you still get hernia by reading my nick! I find that immensely satisfying!
CIAO

HP #71 but did you realize that all US officials dealing with Pakistan are new to Pakistan? i didnt. This has nothing to do with pov.

While commenting on politics, one should at least try to understand who is saying what and where they come from.

I think this is the wrong focus. The focus should be in what is being said explicitly and what additional info is being unintentionally provided. E.g. - see #73 below from this freak with the pompous nick of pewresearch. Does his post tell me anything new? Not really. We all know Pakistan is going through a period of political instability and sure someone somewhere will reach the meaningless conclusion that it is a ``failed state``. So this freak tells me nothing new about Pakistan. He does tell me a lot about himself unintentionally: That there are freaks on chowk who live in a dream world of Pakistan being a failed state (as in case of this freak), or of all goras converting to Islam (the pipedream of that other freak, echoboom). But even that is nothing new any more.

So, without knowing ``who is saying what and where they come from``, one can still tell a lot just by reading what someone wrote. Thus, coming back to ahmed rashid, I found him his article to be focussed on facts rather than conjecture, and for these facts to ring true (i.e. be internally consistent as well as consistent with other info you are already aware of. Hope you see what I mean.

PS: I used your post as an example like one would refer to a lab specimen, so dont try to use the above reference to you to try and start a pompous ``discussion`` with me as you keep trying to do. My precious chowk time is not meant to be wasted on a self-important Pakistan-hating indivdiual like you.

The PS at the end of #74 is directed to pepe le pew, not HP, btw.

Hi there, friends. Here is an interesting tid-bit that I had never heard of before. From The Dawn:

US Assistant of State Secretary Richard Boucher, while addressing a meeting of leaders of Pakistan opposition parties — besides making other statements concerning Pakistan’s internal affairs — also stated that he would examine the voters’ lists issued by Election Commission.

The question arises why he is examining these lists. Can he, being a foreign national, order any changes in the lists?

MOHAMMAD RAFI
Karachi

The mystery gets deeper!

Re: # 80

Shut up Masadi. Take your weird articles to lulu.com, where they truly belong.
Can you not understand REJECTION?? Does it actually take a physical kick on your behind to make you go away??

I have already pointed out that you have been comprehensively rejected by the US school which got you deported, the Pakistani college which saw your true colors and finally by Chowk editors. Ordnary Chowkies like me had recognized your true Zero-potential long back.

Abb hutt jaa !!!
Hawaa aane de bhai !!!

Read the article on Social Movement Structure that Mohammad Gill and other Chowk Editors censored and didn`t publish, because they want to hide things that might benefit humanity, all they are interested in is publishing their pseudo-plagirized, thoughtless, tape-recorder-esque (their brains, the finished products of colonial education designed for the ``inferiors`` and the colonized mindset, can only reproduce stuff that is rote-memorized, in other words their brains function as mere tape recorders that spit out in more or less similar words what they have read in other places, there is no connection of concepts, no original thought and no critical analysis even as there is consistent worship of all things Western by them) articles.

Chowk readers take back the site that belongs to you and not these ignorant AHs.

Hello, Friends:
Paki Cabinet minister mesmerises the world with his deep understanding of root cause analysis. He also explains why homicide bombings are acceptable. Fully grown, champion Paki muslim males like Tahmed (#74), on the other hand, believes that this is a passing fever of `political instability`, not a symptom of a larger and more serious, deadly disease called `moralcompassmisalignitis`.
Speaking about Sir Salman Rushdie, Pakistani Cabinet Minister Mr. Mohammed Ijaz ul-Haq said, `If someone exploded a bomb on his body, he would be right to do so unless the British government apologizes and withdraws the `sir` title``.
He was joined by the Islamic Republic of Iran in offering a similar condemnation.

okhla writes <<< Does it actually take a physical kick on your behind to make you go away?? >>>

No, it will take something more, a jdam probably. I am not going away AH. I will be there to challenge the BS of your kind, supporter of dictators and US hegemony, slaves of the white man. Be afraid, be very afraid because I am not going away, regardless of your lies about rejection and deportation-NONE of which is true...

Re: # 88 Masadi

``...despite the appearance of strong US opposition...``

Excellent point!