Rafi Aamer June 10, 2007
#27 Posted by Naqshbandi on June 10, 2007 3:04:04 pm
Tere azaad bandon ki na yeh duniya na woh duniya
Yahaan marnay kii pabandi, wahaan jeenay ki pabandi!
Do aalam se karta hai begaana dil ko
Ajab cheez hai, lazzat e aashna`ee!
(I wonder if he wrote that after one of his meetings with Atiya? It also can be interpreted in a Sufi sense).
Yahaan marnay kii pabandi, wahaan jeenay ki pabandi!
Do aalam se karta hai begaana dil ko
Ajab cheez hai, lazzat e aashna`ee!
(I wonder if he wrote that after one of his meetings with Atiya? It also can be interpreted in a Sufi sense).
#26 Posted by Naqshbandi on June 10, 2007 3:01:41 pm
not to mention the greatest Farsi poet in the classical mode since probably Mawlana Jami.
Not bad for a single person eh? A great, great man. His human flaws make him even more endearing.
As for his Persian book Javidnamah it is one of the greatest masterpieces of world literature on a par with anything by Goethe, Shakespeare, Dante or Rumi (for example). It was also brilliantly translated by Arberry. If I had the money to personally republish that translation as part of the Oxford World Classics series I would.
Not bad for a single person eh? A great, great man. His human flaws make him even more endearing.
As for his Persian book Javidnamah it is one of the greatest masterpieces of world literature on a par with anything by Goethe, Shakespeare, Dante or Rumi (for example). It was also brilliantly translated by Arberry. If I had the money to personally republish that translation as part of the Oxford World Classics series I would.
#25 Posted by Naqshbandi on June 10, 2007 2:57:34 pm
he was also the most original muslim thinker since the middle ages...and a great devotee of the Messenger, especially in his latter years where his persian verse pining for Madina leaves tears in one`s eyes.
``Abru-ye ma zi naam e Mustafa ast``
``Abru-ye ma zi naam e Mustafa ast``
#24 Posted by KaalChakra on June 10, 2007 2:06:40 pm
Personal lives are just that - stories of human interest (which, as in this case, can be great). Agree with colonel and hamzaad. Iqbal was a great poet who accomplished much. Enough to earn a huge amount of genuine respect for his positive contributions.
#23 Posted by emthree1 on June 10, 2007 2:00:25 pm
ghusse meN aa ke maiN ne kaha apni saas se
kucch der merii biibii ka piichha bhii chooR de
beTii ke saath maaN mujhe tasliim hai magar
lekin kabhii kabhii ise tanha bhii chooR de
On a serious note, though, there is a verse of Iqbal, that together with one by Faiz, has stood me in good stead in moments of despair. I post both these below:
nahiiN hai na-ummiid Iqbal apnii kasht-e-viiraaN se
zara nam ho to yeh mitti baRi zar-Khez hai saaqii
dil na-ummiid to nahiiN, na-kaam hii to hai
laMbii hai gham kii shaam, magar shaam hii to hai
kucch der merii biibii ka piichha bhii chooR de
beTii ke saath maaN mujhe tasliim hai magar
lekin kabhii kabhii ise tanha bhii chooR de
On a serious note, though, there is a verse of Iqbal, that together with one by Faiz, has stood me in good stead in moments of despair. I post both these below:
nahiiN hai na-ummiid Iqbal apnii kasht-e-viiraaN se
zara nam ho to yeh mitti baRi zar-Khez hai saaqii
dil na-ummiid to nahiiN, na-kaam hii to hai
laMbii hai gham kii shaam, magar shaam hii to hai
#22 Posted by freethinker on June 10, 2007 1:42:08 pm
Salim-Chauhan: #21
Unfortunately, you garbled two beautiful verses of Ghalib together into one and ascribed it to Iqbal. The correct verses are as follows:
Tum shahr mein ho, tau hamai`n kya gham? jabb uthai`n gay
Lay a`ai`nay gay bazar say ja kar dil-o-jaa`n aur
Hain aur bhee duniya mein sukhnwar bahut achhay
Kahtay hain keh Ghalib ka haiy andaz-e-baya`n aur.
With regards,
Mohammad Gill
Unfortunately, you garbled two beautiful verses of Ghalib together into one and ascribed it to Iqbal. The correct verses are as follows:
Tum shahr mein ho, tau hamai`n kya gham? jabb uthai`n gay
Lay a`ai`nay gay bazar say ja kar dil-o-jaa`n aur
Hain aur bhee duniya mein sukhnwar bahut achhay
Kahtay hain keh Ghalib ka haiy andaz-e-baya`n aur.
With regards,
Mohammad Gill
#21 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on June 10, 2007 1:09:09 pm
Kehtay heN ke Iqbal ka hey adaaz-e-bayan aur
Le aaeNgay bazaar se hum jaa ke dilo jaan aur :)
Le aaeNgay bazaar se hum jaa ke dilo jaan aur :)
#20 Posted by neembu on June 10, 2007 12:58:42 pm
Re: # 19
Kaka,
Kindly refrain from making ridiculous comments.
Kaka,
Kindly refrain from making ridiculous comments.
#19 Posted by hamzaad on June 10, 2007 12:10:41 pm
Re: # 17
neembu,
Kindly post your response without that assumption.
neembu,
Kindly post your response without that assumption.
#18 Posted by hamzaad on June 10, 2007 12:09:41 pm
Brother echoboom,
Could you email this tortuous piece to President Khatami just as he tortured us with his long winded schpiel about Iqbal?
Could you email this tortuous piece to President Khatami just as he tortured us with his long winded schpiel about Iqbal?
#16 Posted by hamzaad on June 10, 2007 12:04:35 pm
Re: # 14
Let`s agree that evidence about Sardar Begum having fun is very thin and the evidence about Iqbal having fun is also very thin.
Let`s also agree that even if Sardar Begum was a playa`, its all good and if Iqbal was a drinker, it all good!
However, neembu.. you can never know how great of a poet he was. Lousy philosopher but great, great poet.
Let`s agree that evidence about Sardar Begum having fun is very thin and the evidence about Iqbal having fun is also very thin.
Let`s also agree that even if Sardar Begum was a playa`, its all good and if Iqbal was a drinker, it all good!
However, neembu.. you can never know how great of a poet he was. Lousy philosopher but great, great poet.
#15 Posted by drsohail on June 10, 2007 11:46:50 am
Re: # 10
dear freethinker....thanks for your compliments. Rafi has done a wonderful job in
translating the article. When I read it in Toronto in Urdu it created an uproar as the lovers
and disciples of Iqbal who made him a saint....rehmatullahalaih....were offended. I wanted
to show him as a human being will all his vulnerabilities.
I also remember one evening when Habib Jalib was visiting Toronto and in a party different
people were commenting on Iqbal`s philosophy and poetry
...one said he was a nationalist
....the other said he was a socialist
....the third said he was a muslim scholar
...the fourth said Pakistan was his dream
when I asked Habib Jalib`s opinion he smiled and said...Iqbal ki shairy parchoon ki dokaan
thi (Iqbal`s poetry was a retail store not a speciality store).
For the greatness of Iqbal, Ghalib and Tagore is that in spite of their personal struggles
they rose above them in art and created wonderful poetry and we cherish their
masterpieces.
sincerely sohail
dear freethinker....thanks for your compliments. Rafi has done a wonderful job in
translating the article. When I read it in Toronto in Urdu it created an uproar as the lovers
and disciples of Iqbal who made him a saint....rehmatullahalaih....were offended. I wanted
to show him as a human being will all his vulnerabilities.
I also remember one evening when Habib Jalib was visiting Toronto and in a party different
people were commenting on Iqbal`s philosophy and poetry
...one said he was a nationalist
....the other said he was a socialist
....the third said he was a muslim scholar
...the fourth said Pakistan was his dream
when I asked Habib Jalib`s opinion he smiled and said...Iqbal ki shairy parchoon ki dokaan
thi (Iqbal`s poetry was a retail store not a speciality store).
For the greatness of Iqbal, Ghalib and Tagore is that in spite of their personal struggles
they rose above them in art and created wonderful poetry and we cherish their
masterpieces.
sincerely sohail
#14 Posted by neembu on June 10, 2007 10:49:53 am
Re: # 13
Would that this expectation of evidence also be accorded Sardar Begum...but a woman`s reputation seems to be easily impugned.
Would that this expectation of evidence also be accorded Sardar Begum...but a woman`s reputation seems to be easily impugned.
#13 Posted by Naqshbandi on June 10, 2007 10:45:41 am
the evidence for his drinking is very thin neembu.
#12 Posted by neembu on June 10, 2007 10:36:10 am
Does anyone find it ironic that while Iqbal lamented the lack of free will in his life, he still managed to drink, contemplate suicide, marry, leave, divorce, remarry, etc. several women who had considerably less agency than himself?
No?
No?
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