Allama Iqbal- Is he still relevant?

As expected - the Indians went wild all by themselves

What was not predicted- mainly because it went without saying- was Maulana Atif`s repetitive invocations against me.

Forget me... I am nobody. Even Imran Khan himself has changed his views so many times and admitted it frankly. Wasn`t he Musharraf`s biggest supporter only five short years ago? If the great Khan can change his views on numerous issues.. so can I. The very fact that I have left all my ilogs up despite change of views shows that I am accepting that maybe I was wrong then... or maybe I am wrong now.

To me this shows evolution. Only rigid people with a lack of thinking ability remain wedded to their old positions. If anything then this should show the strength of conviction that I have in ideas that I have stuck by unwaveringly... because I question every single one of my stances every single day I am lucky enough to breathe.

#106 {``He also suffers from a superiority (`I am right`) complex. I find it useful and hopefully educational to others to puncture his bubble. Some Punjabis (and I say this in all seriousness, being one myself) are full of themselves. Fortunately, in India, we are a minority, and not taken very seriously.``}

PewResearch Sahib,
I apologize for any shotgun effect from my daily battles with the most avowed mohajir hater on Chowk. I do not hold ALL Punjabis responsible for his actions - just a few of his cohorts like Zeemax, Akber, Urinaluly, and bubba. I support you in your efforts to exfoliate this plague. good luck. please donate his hide to the folks making the fine chappals in South India.

#108, Chacha Chaar Sau Khabees:
You may think that calling me ``rodent man`` is funny. All you are doing is reminding my fellow Urdu-speaking mohajirs that you are using Bezamir`s favorite racist and hateful term ``chooha`` for us. The same word was used by your idol, Gen. Bawaseer Lulla BuRbuR. Go ahead and convince all of us that you are a bigoted, racist, hypocritical paindoo.

#109 by rashid_s

Tu faqat allaahu allaahu allaahu!

He said that about sufis, but apparently without much success.

Only a well read Lawyer can do justice to what may appear to many as conflicting thoughts and argue in favour of his client who was by all accounts a complex personality.
Anybody, let alone a poet-philosopher like Iqbal who had the courage to extricate humanity from the clutches of ritual worship-- Tu faqat allaahu allaahu allaahu!
and prick the ribs of the Church, is a hero of mine:-
Thanks Yasser.
Rashid

Q: When pandit-hate-pew is in trouble, who`s he gonna call?

A: Rodent Man!!

Re: # 108 Tahmed32
You are digging a deeper hole with each such pronouncement and confirming your status as the Chowk village idiot! You hypocrite!
CIAO

Bala would try every `dhoti` and this is one reason he ended up so confused in his philosophy. As it is, any renowned philosopher has a thousand books written against his ideas - the level of criticism is a good indicator of how original a person`s ideas are. Interestingly, there is not a single book critiquing Bala`s philosophy. This may be due to a lack of scholastic culture in Pakistan - or it could be that Bala`s really not a philosopher at all.

Dr. Mubarak Ali was mentioned in the article. Dr. Mubarak Ali`s `History on Trial` states that nearly all Indo-Muslim literature that stressed non-Indian Muslims as heroes and looked to the Hijaz and Ottoman and Arabia as a source for inspiration was a product of active British persecution. The British persecuted anyone - particularly after 1857 - who tried to highlight the heroes of India - and since Muslims were the main power-weilders - who were mainly Muslims. Fearing another 1857, the colonial powers actively encouraged Indian Muslims to seek comfort in the desert outposts of Arabia and the falling citadels of the Ottoman Empire. So you have Sir Syed Ahmed Khan writing `The Loyal Mohamadans`. Ghalib`s `khatuut` are also often apologetic in nature and reflect a fear among the Muslim community.

In the same light, can we see SIR Allama Iqbal`s poetry with an infusion of non-Indian Muslim heroism, an extension of the British propoganda machine? Since SIR BALA did wear his knighthood with considerable honor, this question has merit.

Yasser,

Iqbal was a poet. Therefore, he ought to be considered exempt from such trivial, ordinary, and practical considerations as rules of logic, making sense, being consistent, etc.

Even more, he must be considered absolutely exempt from...

...being RELEVANT!

By definition, poets are never relevant and forever are! If that sounds inconsistent...

...then you have it!

PewResearch {`` Tahmed, ...I`ll discuss matters of substance when you are able to rise above petty matters.``}

Pew Janab,
The senile old Chacha Paindoo will not rise above mediocrity in his lifetime, short as it is. The man chooses to pontificate on Islamic matters with the venom and passion of a newly-circumscribed Muslim Pope. Yet, when it comes to compassion for fellow Muslims, the hypocrite is about as generous as the tightest baniya - and I am not necessarily referring to his rectum either, which is about as loose as the morals of the Paki Punju inhabitants of Hira Mandi. In summary, Chacha Chaar Sau Bees is devoted to licking the unwashed TP-rubbed white bums of his gora masters in left, right, left, right, pajama dheela topi tight manner. :)

Re: # 104 Salim

Tahmed is a hypocrite and a bundle of contradictions. These characteristics overwhelm whatever positive aspects he has in his personality. His kind are very dangerous, because they have an IQ high enough to influence others, but not high enough to sift through the good and the bad. As a result, their influence tends to be generally bad. He also suffers from a superiority (`I am right`) complex. I find it useful and hopefully educational to others to puncture his bubble. Some Punjabis (and I say this in all seriousness, being one myself) are full of themselves. Fortunately, in India, we are a minority, and not taken very seriously.

Zeemax #99 So, what you are saying is that the sequence of events was - the destruction of the American cultural center in Islamabad, which brought rushdie to the attention of the persian mullahs, who issued the fatwa to kill him. While this is I assume the correct chronology of events, the fact remains that the reason rushdie is world famous is because of that fatwa, not because of the attack on the American cultural center (which even had forgotten about).

as for pepe le pew, he is no doubt doing scholarly research to prove that India is the land of the free and massive poverty, dalits, and burning brides, and female infanticide are only ISI propaganda. :-)

Re: # 102 Tahmed

I thought that you were done with me! And my nick still gives you hernia. Ha! Ha! Ha!
I`ll discuss matters of substance when you are able to rise above petty matters.

pew-research-but-actually-pandit-hate: what part of ``worry about the filth in hindu society`` before pontificating on the ills of muslim society dont you understand?

tahmed32,

But tahmed, what I find amusing is that this pukeresearch is even willing to make ME an ally against you ... LoL ... Haha ....

#88 by tahmed32,

Agreed except for the last line.

I was just pointing to that you don`t know facts when you said the `Iranian jahil Mullahs` started it all. Actually it was the US cultural centre gutting in Islamabad which brought the matter to the attention of the Iranians and they acted officially in issuing the fatwa ... not just street protests.