Allama Iqbal- Is he still relevant?

#77 Forget about Hamidm - let`s talk about you.

First, you think you are a muslim, but are unable to free yourself from the casteist brahmin mindset when you refer to ``masih`` as if people are greater or lesser human beings depending on their profession.

Second, you think I equate Mullahism with Islam (under the nick Hamidm) and equate Mullahism with Jehaliyat and the opposite of Islam (under the nick Tahmed). Please enlighten me on why you think any individual would spend his time deliberately contradicting himself?

Manto first of all great write up. But allama is only relevant to anyone who can read. When more people are literate this will be a more relevant question.

#74 atif ji

With all due respect, I do not agree with you on this stand against Manto.

I still remember I used to criticize Imran Khan a lot in the past, but, with time I progressively realized Imran Khan is the only leader that pakistanis can trust...Only, if they are not hijacked by other proven corrupt retard politicians.............They are so much retards that I feel shame to call them politicians....they are everything,but, politicians,..they do not know any abcs of politics, their politics start with corruption and end with corruption............

But, on the other hand , Imran Khan`s politics starts with fairness and ends with fairness......and that`s the main reason some Pakistanis call Imran Khan an immatured politician....b/c sadly in Pakistan only masters and PHD in corruption is the badge of honor and qualification to be considered a matured Politician.......

Anyone who is not corrupt according to set Pakistani standards, Pakistani population won`t accept him/her their politician.........LOL

And it is clear now, why Pakistan is down the drain and still #1 corrupt country in the world...Isn`t it sad? For an idealist fool like me, yes it is......

When any nation start taking corruption as the norm for it`s society and when corruption culture becomes the part and parcel of Pakistani culture then we can well imagine what could be the reason for Pakistan to be down the drain...............


Manto has every right to change his mind any time, when he feels like with valid reasoning and I think Manto has quite a valid reason to change his mind for Imran Khan.............

atif jii

You are nullifying the process of evolution here......we humans change our thoughs for others under the same process and that`s the vital process in the progress of human progeny..If, we stop thinking and get stuck with our same old worn out views then, we are actually opposing Iqbal`s ideology.............


Manto`s metamorphosis upon this Imran Khan`s issue is under the same evolution.......which is quite encouraging and progressive.....

It is totally contrary to MQWM Mafia`s rotten old ghetto style views where they only backup their own racial slurs and where they wish to divide and rule.....where they do not consider themselves Pakistani, they only view themselves as certain miserable group of people who have had been suffering @ the hands of all other ethnicities and now they only wish one thing and that`s revenge, their stand is to take revenge from anyone who speaks the truth and who tries to oppose their cruel agenda...............of killing innocent poor Pakistani Karachiits..........


Anyway, no matter what your own personal issues with Manto are, please, try NOT to sabotage our national interest @ the chaotic times....If, we consider ourselves patriotic Pakistanis, then we have to forget our personal grudges and we should resolve them for the one voice of democracy in Pakistan.....

All of Pakistanis should be united on this issue of establishment of democracy in Pakistan...with the help of our leader Imran Khan............

I can only see Imran Khan`s picture fit in to this poetry......

Imran Khan Zinda bad......

atif #74 So - all this proves is that manto is capable of changing his mind over time as more facts become available. Thus, there is no question that Imran Khan gave a ``fitting reply`` to the outrages of May 12, and for that he deserves credit. And manto is quite right in recognizing this.

This proves manto is smart. Unlike some chowk duds I could mention whose minds are shaped by the losers that raised them and are incapable of changing their views on anything.

Re: # 75

Please tell me that Hamid Masih is on ur list of DUDs otherwise i would be forced to accept the notion that u r but his alter ego

I suggest that before manto analyzes another personality, he himself should volunteer to undergo a personality test to determine his stability.

Following are Manto`s 2 ilogs on Imran Khan. One written in dead of winter in 2005, the other written in dead of summer in 2007. Please notice the GIANT u-turn in manto`s ``analysis`` of Imran...

December 1, 2005
[...But one side of Imran Khan has progressively gone fundo and no one can deny this. He does condone if not support terror against Israel and the west... his head-shaking goofy-smile as he encourages the worst form of persecution mania against the west .. all are just too much for any one person to take. What people like Imran Khan do is fuel an unrealistic anti-imperialism and a weird form Islamic populism... he denounces the western education system in Pakistan as ``ooont-e-bey-mahar``.. and speaks of the virtues of the tribal Jirga system over the British legal system in place etc etc -- promotes weird misogynist views about women ... ]

June 13, 2007
[... Imran Khan is a staunch Pakistani nationalist and a believer in Two Nation Theory (though it means something totally different than what Indians want it to mean) ... whose faith in Islam is stronger than any man I know but who does not wear that faith on his sleeve and does not resort to ``singing`` the Quran in public... Let me say this... if decency means moral uprightness of character and incorruptibility... then like Jinnah before him... Imran Khan has no peer not in just in Pakistan but in all of South Asia ]

#62 zeemax: is the timing of the iranian fatwa important?

There we go again..........the Pakis slugging it out amongst themselves on a non-issue........

the next Prez of pakistan will be decided by Bushy.....period.......no amount of raving, ranting & wishful thinking is gonna change that..........

Bushy the brave has also taken Altaf Hussain the fearless into consideration.......

get a life guys........before its too late.........and the dole from USA stops.........

btw i dont mean to offend anyone but arjun is such a prat that he needs to be reminded of some home truths.

`comparisons only the muslims/pakis buy` -- bollocks! if you read papers like the london guardian and the independent you would see that they condemn hindu terrorism as strongly as sny other terrorism.

because of that half-naked fakir [thanks hamidm] gandhu, sorry, gandhi, and some horny gurus like maharishi ganesh or whatever [the one with 100 rolls royces] who told gullible rich westerners in the 60s and 70s that enlightenment was via getting stoned and having orgies, people in the west have this false impression of hinduism as a peace loving religion.

also it is all about real-politick. if the hinduis actually threatened western interests you could bet your bottom dollar that they would be demonised as much as muslims overall are becoming even though no muslim party when in power has committed atrocities like the shiv sainiks did to muslims in gujarat. after all these same terrorist wahabistas were being lauded as freedom fighters and mujahideen by the very same media when they were fighting the soviets.

so you might be able to fool the innocent and trusting people of the naive west who don`t know your lulli-kat saffron realities but you cannot fool us cos we lived side by side with you for 1000 years. sayings such as `bughal mein choRee munh mein Ram Ram` didn`t just come out of nowhere.

Re: # 69

``also it is all about real-politick. if the hinduis actually threatened western interests you could bet your bottom dollar that they would be demonised as much as muslims overall are becoming even though no muslim party when in power has committed atrocities like the shiv sainiks did to muslims in gujarat.

Really.......never knew that the Shiv Sena was in power in Gujarat.......

Since when...........

Pls do enlighten us.........

Re: # 72

ok i meant bjp...whichever party modi the hindu thug belongs to along with his chailas

arjun you uncircumcised phallus, when hindu fanatics burn christians alive or kill muslims it is not terrorism according to you. i dont support muslim extremists either but you are the one who is deluded. the reason hindu terrorism doesnt make the same headlines as islamic terrorism most of the time is that you guys haven`t got balls to do anything to anyone other than helpless preachers and women and children. even though it is totally unislamic, to gve your life for a cause in a suicide bomb actually takes balls. something you vegetarian hindus lack. otherwise you wouldn`t have been the whipping boys of history...you should actually thank the british who, by ruling india and overthrowing the muslim mughal rulers, gave you your first taste of freedom in about a millenium.

he`s full of it...like all pakis, he`s got an amazing ability to delude himself by making ridiculous comparisons that only muslims/pakis buy...

capt clueless tried to pull that after 9/11 too...told us the real problem in the world was hindu terrorism because of the tamil tigers...posted a bunch of material to prove it...problem was, nobody else bought it..pakis were deported in bulk and he`s now cooling his heels in canuckistan....

Arjun, now go easy on Naqsh who is a wise man, and very atypical.