Allama Iqbal- Is he still relevant?

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Dear teshah,


With all due respect...I don`t know who this ``Our`` is that you speak for... I am definitely not part of this ``our``. You may go on saying this but know that today people like you are less than a few hundred thousand... and even most of them don`t share your conception.

In any event ...your ``Watan`` Hindustan- as one state- was - whether you like it or not- a British creation ... unless you mean the geographical entity called the Indian subcontinent...

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Oh dear Manto! You are mixing up `Watan` and `State` and `geographical` and `idealogical` entities. Just think, Bengali Muslims who were in the fore-front of the Paki Movement have shed their subjectivism and reverted to their `Desh`, an objective reality. Today ask a Bihari in Bangladesh about his motherland he would definitely say `Pakistan` and rightly so because when he was born there was no Bangladesh. If they insist calling former West Pakistan as Pakistan or New Pakistan, as Bhutto used to call it, let them do so but it is no longer the Quaide Azam`s Pakistan, a Two-Nation wala Pakistan. The fact is that there was no Paky nation to clamour for Pakistan as Bengalies did for Bengladesh who discarded West Pakistan because they had come to hate the very name of Pakistan. Oh! I forgot! The only paky thing in the residual Pakistan, in fact, is the Pak fouj, and so for that matter a rightful claiment to rule the country. So why not call it now as `Foujistan` or `Mushistan`?

Excuse me this harangue as `Aaj dard kuchh dil mein sawa hota he`. I saw Quaide Azam as a young boy and had followed his chariot in a `jalloos`. But today I see him hanged alone on a dune in front of my home on Shahraae Islamabad. Often tears flood to my eyes when I see that great man sad and lonely, hanged on a scaffold where the traffic zooms past him nonchalantly.

Regards

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``I saw Quaide Azam as a young boy and had followed his chariot in a `jalloos`. But today I see him hanged alone on a dune in front of my home on Shahraae Islamabad. Often tears flood to my eyes when I see that great man sad and lonely, hanged on a scaffold where the traffic zooms past him nonchalantly. ``

It is time then to rescue him...

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Mantolives

Thank you dear for your suggestion. But it is for the young-ones to rescue him. Hopefully I see some glimpse of him in Imran Khan. May God help him.

Iqbal is relevant today and would remain so, if for nothing else, then his `Taranah-e-Hindi` which says `` Hindi hein ham watan he Hindostan hamaara, ham bulbalein hein iski yih gulsitaan hamara``.

Our `watan` is, no doubt, still Hindostan, despite the fact that it has been divided into states of `Bharat`, `Pakistan`, `Bangladesh`, etc., etc.

Iqbal is relevant today and would remain so, if for nothing else, then his `Taranah-e-Hindi` which says `` Hindi hein ham watan he Hindostan hamaara, ham bulbalein hein iski yih gulsitaan hamara``.

Our `watan` is, no doubt, still Hindostan, despite the fact that it has been divided into states of `Bharat`, `Pakistan`, `Bangladesh`, etc., etc.

#88 by tahmed32 on June 24, 2007 4:59am PT
#87 zeemax: If there had been no iranian fatwa against Rushdie, he would have been just another mediocre, little known writer, competing for attention on chowk with Hamidm (and Hamidm would have beaten him flat out).

TAhmed, u are dead wrong on this ojne. Salman Rushdie was very well known in the 80s itself due to two novels; Midnight`s Children and Shame.

As expected - the Indians went wild all by themselves

What was not predicted- mainly because it went without saying- was Maulana Atif`s repetitive invocations against me.

Forget me... I am nobody. Even Imran Khan himself has changed his views so many times and admitted it frankly. Wasn`t he Musharraf`s biggest supporter only five short years ago? If the great Khan can change his views on numerous issues.. so can I. The very fact that I have left all my ilogs up despite change of views shows that I am accepting that maybe I was wrong then... or maybe I am wrong now.

To me this shows evolution. Only rigid people with a lack of thinking ability remain wedded to their old positions. If anything then this should show the strength of conviction that I have in ideas that I have stuck by unwaveringly... because I question every single one of my stances every single day I am lucky enough to breathe.

#106 {``He also suffers from a superiority (`I am right`) complex. I find it useful and hopefully educational to others to puncture his bubble. Some Punjabis (and I say this in all seriousness, being one myself) are full of themselves. Fortunately, in India, we are a minority, and not taken very seriously.``}

PewResearch Sahib,
I apologize for any shotgun effect from my daily battles with the most avowed mohajir hater on Chowk. I do not hold ALL Punjabis responsible for his actions - just a few of his cohorts like Zeemax, Akber, Urinaluly, and bubba. I support you in your efforts to exfoliate this plague. good luck. please donate his hide to the folks making the fine chappals in South India.

#108, Chacha Chaar Sau Khabees:
You may think that calling me ``rodent man`` is funny. All you are doing is reminding my fellow Urdu-speaking mohajirs that you are using Bezamir`s favorite racist and hateful term ``chooha`` for us. The same word was used by your idol, Gen. Bawaseer Lulla BuRbuR. Go ahead and convince all of us that you are a bigoted, racist, hypocritical paindoo.

#109 by rashid_s

Tu faqat allaahu allaahu allaahu!

He said that about sufis, but apparently without much success.

Only a well read Lawyer can do justice to what may appear to many as conflicting thoughts and argue in favour of his client who was by all accounts a complex personality.
Anybody, let alone a poet-philosopher like Iqbal who had the courage to extricate humanity from the clutches of ritual worship-- Tu faqat allaahu allaahu allaahu!
and prick the ribs of the Church, is a hero of mine:-
Thanks Yasser.
Rashid

Q: When pandit-hate-pew is in trouble, who`s he gonna call?

A: Rodent Man!!

Re: # 108 Tahmed32
You are digging a deeper hole with each such pronouncement and confirming your status as the Chowk village idiot! You hypocrite!
CIAO

Bala would try every `dhoti` and this is one reason he ended up so confused in his philosophy. As it is, any renowned philosopher has a thousand books written against his ideas - the level of criticism is a good indicator of how original a person`s ideas are. Interestingly, there is not a single book critiquing Bala`s philosophy. This may be due to a lack of scholastic culture in Pakistan - or it could be that Bala`s really not a philosopher at all.

Dr. Mubarak Ali was mentioned in the article. Dr. Mubarak Ali`s `History on Trial` states that nearly all Indo-Muslim literature that stressed non-Indian Muslims as heroes and looked to the Hijaz and Ottoman and Arabia as a source for inspiration was a product of active British persecution. The British persecuted anyone - particularly after 1857 - who tried to highlight the heroes of India - and since Muslims were the main power-weilders - who were mainly Muslims. Fearing another 1857, the colonial powers actively encouraged Indian Muslims to seek comfort in the desert outposts of Arabia and the falling citadels of the Ottoman Empire. So you have Sir Syed Ahmed Khan writing `The Loyal Mohamadans`. Ghalib`s `khatuut` are also often apologetic in nature and reflect a fear among the Muslim community.

In the same light, can we see SIR Allama Iqbal`s poetry with an infusion of non-Indian Muslim heroism, an extension of the British propoganda machine? Since SIR BALA did wear his knighthood with considerable honor, this question has merit.