Allama Iqbal- Is he still relevant?

#77 Forget about Hamidm - let`s talk about you.

First, you think you are a muslim, but are unable to free yourself from the casteist brahmin mindset when you refer to ``masih`` as if people are greater or lesser human beings depending on their profession.

Second, you think I equate Mullahism with Islam (under the nick Hamidm) and equate Mullahism with Jehaliyat and the opposite of Islam (under the nick Tahmed). Please enlighten me on why you think any individual would spend his time deliberately contradicting himself?

zeena #79 ``Manto has every right to change his mind any time, ``

Of course zeena dear, manto has every right to change his mind any time and as often as he wishes...and BY GOD he exercises that option with frenzied frequency. But if he is going to change his mind this often, why doesnt he just wait until he has made up his mind?

Yes, evolution of thought is important and one should adjust to changing circumstances. But consider the following example:

Imagine you go to a doctor for headache. He tells you to take Advil. You go the next day with same headache and he ``evolves`` his prescription by telling you to take an injection. By third day, he has adjusted to the fact that he was wrong the first two days and therefore ``evolves`` into suggesting that you get a head surgery done on you. Would you believe him, even if you laud his capacity to ``evolve`` and learn from his mistakes?

Manto, by his own admission, is a trained economist and a trained lawyer. He cannot be lauded for learning from his mistake after his incompetence sends a man to gallows. And he sent Imran`s reputation to gallows by when he lawyerly argued on December 1st 2005 (as quoted in #74) that Imran was a ``terrorist``, ``goofy``, and ``misogynist``...

#78 Zeena {``Imran Khan Zina bad...... ``}

Zeena,
Finally, you see the light. This is exactly what we have been saying. Any way ``Deer aayad drust aayad. `` :)

#69 by Naqshbandi on June 23, 2007 10:30am PT



`comparisons only the muslims/pakis buy` -- bollocks! if you read papers like the london guardian and the independent


HAHA...that`s all you`v got? Al-guardian...

heck...even the british government is exclusively focusing on islamofascists like your brothers when it says it`s fighting terrorism...

and when the US government made it a requirement for foreigners/aliens to register, guess which islamic country made it to the list before indonesia, the largest muslim country or India, the land with an equal number of muslims....

#82 atif ji
LOL...you gave me an example of medical decision making for Headache.......

Well, to tell you the truth, this example itself has lost it`s validity, when you are asking me, that if, my doctor changes his deccision so frequently , will I trust him so oftenly?

For your example, Yes, I will trust my doctor more when he comes up with new and more improved evidenced based medical decision for my headache work up.....

And in real world, this happens daily, always a competent doctor start treating headache with the simplest method first.........and progressively go to upper level , if, headache doesn`t improve...means ...if, next day, my headache doesn`t improve, ofcourse my doctor has every right to change his decision to an alternative method of treatment and patients appreciate doctor`s improved paln of treatment.......

Remember, if one drug doesn`t work or, if, doctor changes his plan to treat frequently , that`s more admirable , than to get stuck with the same old rotten plan with no chances of cure...meicine is a very rapidly changing field of practice.......and that`s the best example that you gave in this context.....but, dearie this example is working against your own view....

Medicine is evolutionary process and sameway, human mind is.....

If, Manto is saying something in favour of Imran Khan now and said something against him in the past, that`s not a valid reason to humiliate manto....Rather I will encourage manto to come up with new ideology more often.....

We don`t need stagnant water...we need fresh srping water..............

#85 by Zeena on June 23, 2007 6:37pm PT


always a competent doctor start treating headache with the simplest method first


retards like you need to go to a proctologist for brain surgery....

#73 by tahmed32

zeemax: is the timing of the iranian fatwa important?

My #62 was to correct your false assertion in your #59 i.e. ``It is these jahil irani mullahs, who by issuing the fatwa, gave this bore so much prominence. if they had not done so, no one would have heard of rushdie...``

In fact, it was your `jahil` students of Quaid-e-Azam Uni of Islamabad who gave rushdie so much prominence by completely gutting the US Cultural Center in Islamabad. The Iranian fatwa came later.

As a further matter of fact, the very first protests were in India.

But facts have never been your forte`. :~)

#87 zeemax: If there had been no iranian fatwa against Rushdie, he would have been just another mediocre, little known writer, competing for attention on chowk with Hamidm (and Hamidm would have beaten him flat out).

It was the iranian fatwa that made him world famous. Without the fatwa, the burning of the US Cultural Center (regardless of whether it took place before or after the fatwa) would have been seen by the world as merely another example of lawlessness in a third world country, and no one would have bothered to inquire about the pretext used this time to destroy property.

Re: # 88 Tahmed32

``...If there had been no iranian fatwa against Rushdie, he would have been just another mediocre, little known writer...``

Tahmed is a village idiot who does not know his facts. Period. Zeemax, you got Tahmed32 cornered this time. Here is a part of Rushdie`s chronology.

Rushdie won the Booker Prize in 1981 for his novel Midnight`s Children. The fatwa did not come until 1988. In case you didn`t know, the winner of the Booker Prize is generally assured of international renown and success. It is also a mark of distinction for authors to be nominated for the Booker longlist or selected for inclusion in the shortlist. In 1993, the Booker of Bookers Prize was awarded to Salman Rushdie for Midnight`s Children (the 1981 winner), as the best novel to win the award in the first 25 years of its existence.

But, in keeping with you chauvinistic, pompous, alpha male, Punjabi muslim, attitude, your observations come as no surprise.

#89 pepe le pew: the fact that i refuse to have ``discussions`` with a self-important twit like you makes me a wise man, not the village idiot. :-)

Re: # 90 Tahmed

Who cares about a discussion? More important: bare the facts for all to see. Let them decide whether you qualify as one or not!

#91 you care about the discussions. i had to tell you twice to f.o. before you stopped addressing posts to me.

Re: # 92 Tahmed

I don`t care what you think, except about exposing your pompous ignorance. You obviously knew nothing about the Booker Prize (a well read person would not made the gaffe that you did). A discussion with you will be illuminating for you, but not for me.

pew-man: new pew-off to some indian board and worry about the filth in hindu society. instead of pretending to be an american research organization commenting from mt. olympus on the ills of muslim society.

#93 a man who takes on the name of a research organization is in no position to call anyone pompous.

pew-man: enough time wasted with you. last post to you, until i decide it is time to tell you to pew-off once again.