Whence Then is Evil?

Re: # 240
kaal

Thank you dear! I have found the answer as I expected from you. The question now is why khuda which is a natural answer and complement of 'khud' (self) becomes Allah, a supernatural obscurantist thing, sitting in the heavens (excuse me, like Altaf Hussain in London) and sending messages through angels to selcted persons to divide humanity into believers and non-believers (here Altaf has an advantage over Him that he can use direct dialing).
I wonder if the Persians have not disowned their khuda in favour of Allah either. How thought provoking! I will have to think over it. So more later on.

Regards.

teshah ji, you are a very strange person (in a very good way, for me). I can't figure out how you must be conversing with any group of regular/normal Muslims :)

It's much easier to understand ideologies and religions - no matter how complex - than it is to figure out human beings. There is so much to learn :)

Re: # 242

Kaal ji, thank you for the flattering courtesy ! In fact I have reached the age of enlightenment when , according to Ghalib, the Great:

“Bazeecha e ittifaal he dunia mere aage
Hota he shabo roz tamaasha mere aage
Ik khel he aourange Sulemaan mere nazdeek
Ik baat he ehjaaze Mssiha mere aage”

About Ghalib’s poetry, Allama Iqbal had said that it is the most valuable heritage of Muslim culture in India, which would be understood after a century. What you call ‘the group of regular/normal Muslims’, who are devoid of any rational thinking, call him and any one who thinks like him as ‘Satra bhatra’and usually ignore him. Thanks to the internet, especially the 'chowk'that such matters could be discussed seriously with the thinking people like you.

Surprisingly, the advent of globalization and the surge of IT which should have, as a matter of course, advanced liberalism, resulted instead in the spread of religion, and that too the extremist, violent and fanatic type of Wahabi Islam resulting in rejection of Khuda, a liberal and charitable god, in favor of a revengeful Wahabist Allah.

IF there were no EVIL, would GOOD still mean anything ? And for what would you exercise your so-cherished free will?

Has any one ever wondered about the following:

If a book (the Qur’an in this situation) is meant to be from God/Allah, why do two individuals of equivalent intelligence always come up with different interpretations of the text?

There are many contradictions in the Quran; the only people unable to see them are those completely brainwashed and have lost the ability to think rationally. They come up with all sorts of historical/non-historical justifications for these such as the arabic language/literary peculiarities etc. nothing substantial or scientific; perhaps they are not aware of this concept.

There are literally billions and billions of galaxies and star systems in our “known” universe; supposedly we are talking about a creator that is well beyond the confines of any material boundaries; why would such a “person” even care about what goes on in individual hearts and minds on a teeny weeny planet! Why would he be upset about, for example, a woman showing off a bit of skin or someone not observing some ritual exactly how it was prescribed; when there are literally hundreds of such, very contradictory, rituals in Islam amongst the sects; not to quote countless other similar examples.

If the “Loh-e-Mahfouz” was the first thing created with the deeds of all living things and their fate already prescribed, what the hell is the meaning of “the free will”?!

If a ruler of my country wanted me to abide by ceratin rules, I would expect them to be laid down explicitly and clearly for all to understand. Otherwise, I would think they were unjust in prosecuting me for misgivings; why are there so many ambiguities as to what the “true Islam” is; that definition is certainly not unanimous by anyone’s standards as we all know; the interpretations are so varied and far apart at times that it is mind boggling!

According to the Quran, Allah gave his blessings to the Bani Israel but they betrayed his trust many a times, so he went off them completely and chose a different people for revival of his “Only and True Message”! Are we thinking that an omniscient and omnipotent God, with the inherent knowledge of everything, transcendent through the confines of time, made a mistake!! Then he tried to correct it by chosing arabia for his chosen messanger! How odd!!

Prayer is such a contradictory term, don’t you think. If all is already decided, does God change his mind if we were to grovel before him and grants us our desires as a reward; very confusing!!

The only answers I ever got for these as a child, and many other similar questions, was that we CANNOT work out God’s will and he is the only one who does; what the hell are we doing with our assess up in the air five times a day then!!

All of the above seem to be the desires of the needy and not fullfilled “persona” (to quote Al-Razi); Is it that we have created this “persona” is OUR OWN IMAGE rather than the other way around?

Is our “conflict” with the rest of the world sheer paranoia “they are out to get us”!! and the only reason we cannot accept this is our inherent “sense of pride” so deeply indoctrinated that we cannot listen to reason.

The reason I am talking about the Islamic context here is because that is my background and I wish to discuss the very foundations of this faith. It is all very well to hide behind the “good aspects” of Islamic history and ignore the other “less desirable” aspects, but the question is what it is all based on; without foundation, there is nothing left. I criticise any dogma based on “faith” and th other so-called faiths are no exception to this; however, I prefer people from those cultures to comment on their own cultural heritages.

Problem with being “moderate” is that moderation, whatever it might mean, harbours and nurtures extremist elemnts. Extremists to me mean people who are trying to follow their “faiths” down to the last letter. This Sufism etc have nothing to do with what Islam actually is; it is a digression from the mainstream. Sufis were always at the fringes of mainstream society and their ideas of “Sulha-e-kul” etc have nothing to do with the message of Islam; though I do admit it can make Islam a bit more palatable!

If we had all the “knowledge/Ilm” in the Quran, why would we strive for more; the whole idea of “the completeness” of “Deen/way of life” is not compatible with modernity of any kind, however that is defined. Of course we can cherry pick and find quotes to justify absolutely anything that WE WANT TO; that itself is the biggest weakness of religious dogma; interpretable with vast differences of opinions between individuals of equivalent intelligence!

Surely, they can't ALL be true!!!