Ras Siddiqui June 28, 2007
#40 Posted by hamidm2 on July 1, 2007 4:13:51 pm
Re: # 39
kulharee,
..... since samina is not replying ............ i love begum nawazish ali - she is like a breath of fresh ............
kulharee,
..... since samina is not replying ............ i love begum nawazish ali - she is like a breath of fresh ............
#38 Posted by hamidm2 on July 1, 2007 6:30:49 am
saminsha,
........ honestly, i tried to read the article but it just seems to be the usual sharptonian hand wringing and moaning over yet another non-issue ......... as far as i can see, mrs pearl is not really black and neither is halle berry or tiger woods (the best thai golfer in the world) ......... on the other hand, justice thomas and bill cosby are definitely black even though you might think otherwise ..............
..... unless race was fundamental to the plot of the movie, why does it matter ?............ since i haven`t seen the film i don`t know what you mean by the `relevance of the erasure of race` .......... african americans have many real issues that they need to address instead of wasting their time on who plays tawana brawley and rodney king in the movies ......... by the way, would you be happier if nicole richie had played mrs pearl.. or isn`t she black enough ?........
p.s. i want brad pitt to play me in the movies
#37 Posted by neembu on July 1, 2007 4:34:31 am
Re: # 33
hello hamid sahib. have you read the article?
It seems to me comments that serve to close down discussion rather than encourage participants to think thoughtfully are usually the refuge of the lazy. I know that some desis like to think of themselves as white, but I`m not one of them and the relevance of the erasure of race in this film exists on several levels. I`m sure in the blockbuster film adaption of Chowk.com, you`ll want to be played by Sir Ben Kingsley or even Aasif Maandvi and not Brad Pitt...as I know Arjun will be played by Kal Penn. :)
hello hamid sahib. have you read the article?
It seems to me comments that serve to close down discussion rather than encourage participants to think thoughtfully are usually the refuge of the lazy. I know that some desis like to think of themselves as white, but I`m not one of them and the relevance of the erasure of race in this film exists on several levels. I`m sure in the blockbuster film adaption of Chowk.com, you`ll want to be played by Sir Ben Kingsley or even Aasif Maandvi and not Brad Pitt...as I know Arjun will be played by Kal Penn. :)
#36 Posted by zeemax on June 30, 2007 7:55:47 pm
Ras,
It`s just another formula tear jerker .... pregnant mom-to-be ends up in a hostile and primitive land looking for her noble journalist husband abducted by forces of evil ... reminds me of another lemon (not neembu) called Flight 77 where the plot on cue flashed back to the pilot`s infant son every 5 minutes while the proud father was busy battling pirates in the air ... wow.
It`s just another formula tear jerker .... pregnant mom-to-be ends up in a hostile and primitive land looking for her noble journalist husband abducted by forces of evil ... reminds me of another lemon (not neembu) called Flight 77 where the plot on cue flashed back to the pilot`s infant son every 5 minutes while the proud father was busy battling pirates in the air ... wow.
#35 Posted by mohar11 on June 30, 2007 6:56:45 pm
Re: # 33
[...halle berry would have been okay too, i would still want to see her naked ........ ]
Then watch ``monster ball`` ...
[...halle berry would have been okay too, i would still want to see her naked ........ ]
Then watch ``monster ball`` ...
#34 Posted by Ras on June 30, 2007 6:36:29 pm
RE: #20 by Love2love
I do not have your email address anymore.
This movie is really ``The Mariane Pearl Story``
as far as I could gather. It is getting killed at
the box office here in the USA and on that note
I have to partially agree with hamidm2.
(I cannot agree with him fully because I write
and post under my own name on CHOWK).
Ras
#33 Posted by hamidm2 on June 30, 2007 4:11:47 pm
Re: # 32
ms saminsha,
........... i see that everyone has their own little axe to grind but i think you are getting a little silly about this `blackface` thing ........... would the movie have been any better if halle berry had played that role? ............ get off it !
p.s. as far as i am concerned, halle berry would have been okay too, i would still want to see her naked ........
ms saminsha,
........... i see that everyone has their own little axe to grind but i think you are getting a little silly about this `blackface` thing ........... would the movie have been any better if halle berry had played that role? ............ get off it !
p.s. as far as i am concerned, halle berry would have been okay too, i would still want to see her naked ........
#32 Posted by neembu on June 30, 2007 2:53:49 pm
Re: # 29
Dear Ras,
My apologies for non topic related comments on your board. I read your review and appreciated your insights particularly on the Karachi of the film and the city in reality. Some of the academic listserv discussions about the film have explored another erasure- of Marianne Pearl`s African identity through the story being represented by the Jolie/Pitt team. I`ve posted an article on my ilog that presents the different perspectives on this issue.
Dear Ras,
My apologies for non topic related comments on your board. I read your review and appreciated your insights particularly on the Karachi of the film and the city in reality. Some of the academic listserv discussions about the film have explored another erasure- of Marianne Pearl`s African identity through the story being represented by the Jolie/Pitt team. I`ve posted an article on my ilog that presents the different perspectives on this issue.
#31 Posted by hamidm2 on June 30, 2007 10:01:28 am
Re: # 29
ras mian,
........ even though i am a big movie buff, i have no intention of seeing this film .......... the trailer was rather sappy and watching one angelina jolie movie is like watching another - inspite of the dark hair and scruffy look, she is still angelina and all you want is to see her naked ! ................ and as far as the chowk crowd is concerned, it is old news for us that has been rehashed over and over again ........ i am sure it is an okay film but if i want to see yet another ``triumph of the human spirit`` movie i will go see braveheart again - mel gibson was a great actor before he started drinking and became a muslim .......... the movie would have been more interesting if it had focused on the life of sheikh omar saeed to give us some insight into what turns a public school man into a cold blooded killer .........
.......... think i`ll wait till it comes out on dvd ......
ras mian,
........ even though i am a big movie buff, i have no intention of seeing this film .......... the trailer was rather sappy and watching one angelina jolie movie is like watching another - inspite of the dark hair and scruffy look, she is still angelina and all you want is to see her naked ! ................ and as far as the chowk crowd is concerned, it is old news for us that has been rehashed over and over again ........ i am sure it is an okay film but if i want to see yet another ``triumph of the human spirit`` movie i will go see braveheart again - mel gibson was a great actor before he started drinking and became a muslim .......... the movie would have been more interesting if it had focused on the life of sheikh omar saeed to give us some insight into what turns a public school man into a cold blooded killer .........
.......... think i`ll wait till it comes out on dvd ......
#29 Posted by Ras on June 30, 2007 8:32:46 am
A Look back to the subject matter to what I had written on CHOWK in 2002
in ``Lessons From The Pearl Murder`` at
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00001258&channel=chaathouse&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1
It brought back quite a few bad memories.
Now Lemon and the 2nd reincarnation of Arjun have been busy talking
to each other on this board and it appears that others want to follow in their footsteps.
This was a very sad movie, one that should cause both anger and
much reflection in viewers.
It appears that this review has reached quite a number of readers
via a number of media outlets and some (even from the cast)
have not been happy with what I wrote about it.
In any case
I was hoping that other CHOWK readers who have seen it
would add their views instead of creating other topics for
discussion here.
If you have seen ``A Mighty Heart`` what did you really think of it?
Ras
#28 Posted by hamidm2 on June 30, 2007 8:15:07 am
Re: # 27
zee,
neither was sheikh omar saeed - lse alumnus and daniel pearl`s murderer ........... or so he claimed ............ the people of uk are fully justified in being a wary of the people who live in their midst, are the benficiaries of the welfare system, and wage war against them .............
... anyway, congratulations on your new car ...........you must admit, as much as you hate it, living in the west does have some advantages - i love my cavalier too ......
zee,
neither was sheikh omar saeed - lse alumnus and daniel pearl`s murderer ........... or so he claimed ............ the people of uk are fully justified in being a wary of the people who live in their midst, are the benficiaries of the welfare system, and wage war against them .............
... anyway, congratulations on your new car ...........you must admit, as much as you hate it, living in the west does have some advantages - i love my cavalier too ......
#27 Posted by zeemax on June 30, 2007 8:01:22 am
#26 by hamidm2,
I`m neither a beneficiary of UK nor wish its destruction. However as long as they wage war, other people will respond in kind ...
I`m neither a beneficiary of UK nor wish its destruction. However as long as they wage war, other people will respond in kind ...
#26 Posted by hamidm2 on June 30, 2007 7:52:32 am
Re: # 25
zeemax,
..... burgundy, maroon .. what would i know ... i drive a `97 chevy cavalier .... alhamdolillah! ......... but it really strikes me odd that a man who is obviously a beneficiary of the system in uk would wish for its destruction - is this what they call the masadi complex ?
zeemax,
..... burgundy, maroon .. what would i know ... i drive a `97 chevy cavalier .... alhamdolillah! ......... but it really strikes me odd that a man who is obviously a beneficiary of the system in uk would wish for its destruction - is this what they call the masadi complex ?
#25 Posted by zeemax on June 30, 2007 7:48:57 am
#24 by hamidm2,
Did it look like one to you?
And `Burgundy`, not `Maroon` you ganwaar ... :)
Did it look like one to you?
And `Burgundy`, not `Maroon` you ganwaar ... :)
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