Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974)

However... CMP would have saved lives... and ultimately resulted in a Pakistan and India...


Yeah yeah, there is no question about the later part. Only that it would be a ``moth eaten Hindustan`` instead of the ``moth eaten Pakistan``.. Sorry, the Congress leaders are too smart for that.

:-)

You started the issue of CMP... now stick to the facts. Pakistanis are better off without any union with India... is a fact. However... CMP would have saved lives... and ultimately resulted in a Pakistan and India... but considerably hostile South Asia... with a lot more cooperation.


Is that a typo??.. or maybe the truth came out unwittingly, like how Jinnah`s actions (even though unintended) helped India ..

:-)

Re: # 1172

Repeating it several times would not make this lie become any more the truth than your lie about the princes.

Looks like there is a Tsunami of support for Jinnah`s ``Bharat ratna``. I`m all for ``bharat maha ratna`` / a special lifetime achievement award to Jinnah for his tremendous service to India.

Let`s also pray for the welfare of Ahmedis in Pakistan so that Mantolives can attain some peace and stop blaming everything on Gandhi/Nehru/Congress..

:-)

Masanamuthu,

Lets be clear about the facts... you stopped - as you did on the earlier board- because your lie about the Princes having more seats under CMP was caught.

The ``rest in peace Pakistan`` article is not intended for people like you. It is not a statement of regret. Even the dead Pakistan is better for people like me and my father`s community than India ... or even United India. So please leave that aside.

You started the issue of CMP... now stick to the facts. Pakistanis are better off without any union with India... is a fact. However... CMP would have saved lives... and ultimately resulted in a Pakistan and India... but considerably hostile South Asia... with a lot more cooperation.

Re: # 1169
``Wonder why these professions were beneath the Muslims! What professions were
worthy of Muslims then? Ruling? There were no muslims farmers, blacksmiths, labourers,
cobblers etc. then?``

The other options were.........Butchers...........Peons........Incense holder blowing smoke, one step above begging.......Fighting for & over Allah.......all types of grunt jobs.......biriyani cooks.........film comedians and so on............

``has forced Muslims into professions that they considered beneath them... like Banking, money lending ... commerce etc. ``

Wonder why these professions were beneath the Muslims! What professions were
worthy of Muslims then? Ruling? There were no muslims farmers, blacksmiths, labourers,
cobblers etc. then?

#1158 by Mantolives on July 9, 2007 6:33am PT


Thanks to the partition, India stays away from the global jihadi breeding ground label and ahmedis get to drive maybachs(cough cough)..

sounds like a win-win...

Ref Mantolives #1155

[Ofcourse... Muslims did not lose out... as Mohar naively puts it. Muslims of Pakistan were the greatest beneficiaries of partition... without partition we would have remained a backward agriculturalist/ martial community... it the rigors of creating a nation state that has forced Muslims into professions that they considered beneath them... like Banking, money lending ... commerce etc. ]

Yasser, dear boy, you left out suicide bombing in that list.

Of course there is no need to specifically mention throat-slitting which has been the specialty of Muslims ever since Islam was born.

As a sign of our gratitude to MAJ, his house in Mumbai must be made a memorial with a large plaque stating ``Saviour of India``...........His speech ``Pakistan`s in the bag`` must be replayed over & over...........

The Day he died must be a day of national mourning.........however we must not take this too far by closing all booze shops......... that would be insulting him.........

I think only Ratna is not enough, how about Bharat Maharatna?
A brand new category of award, only for him.

Mohar:

Yep, both parties are happy with what has happened, if not how it happened... paradoxically they ``blame`` the folks who actually made it happen, instead of actually praising them, as suggested by masan... :)


:-), I take it that you support the position of awarding ``Bharat Ratna`` to Jinnah for his service to India..

I`d not like to indulge in cyclical discussions that serve no point. So I`d stop with the CMP discussions. I have made my point pretty clear that Congress/Nehru did the right thing by rejecting the ``disgusting`` CMP that is completely unjust to the non-Muslims and and beneficial ONLY to the Muslims and the Princes and not a single Indian in this board opposed it. That`ll suffice for me.

The acceptance of Cabinet Mission Plan in 1946 would have ultimately led to three independent progressive, prosperous and peaceful republics in South Asia working together for the greater good of humanity... instead of three poverty stricken hell holes... in which India is not the least but the most poverty stricken whether you like to admit it or not


Ok.. But I thought you are the one who wrote ``Rest in Peace, Pakistan``. :-)

I along with many others can empathise with the situation of Ahmadis in Pakistan now. But we can`t do much.. We agree that CMP would have worked out better for Muslims and Ahmadis, but sorry it is too bad for the non-Muslims and the Congress leaders are pretty smart for taking that bait. Good luck and sincere wishes on your efforts to improve the situation of Ahmadis now..

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Mohar mian,

I can safely say -as I have said again and again- and this is the view of every Ahmadi I know atleast... that we thank God we got Pakistan and not the Cabinet Mission Plan.
As for your statement that it would have led to bloodshed... historians don`t share your point of view.

Pakistan would have ultimately been created.. but through a broader framework and less haste by the departing British rulers who wanted to deliver a death blow to Jinnah and Pakistan for souring their end.

The acceptance of Cabinet Mission Plan in 1946 would have ultimately led to three independent progressive, prosperous and peaceful republics in South Asia working together for the greater good of humanity... instead of three poverty stricken hell holes... in which India is not the least but the most poverty stricken whether you like to admit it or not.

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(1. its own centralised conception)

Pakistan appears to be even more centralised.

My answer: While I`d like to see it de-centralised... that argument is not a counter to the point. As things stand ... muslims said that they were a nation and India should be recognised as a multi-national homeland.


( 2. unnatural division of Punjab and Bengal 3.)

``Back to the debate whether it is OK to partition a country but not a state. ``

The country was an artificial unity imposed by British rule. Provinces were linguistic unit with considerable homogeneity. Besides the election was won on the basis of re-constitution of constituent units...

Re: # 1158

CMP would have led to more booldshed, possible civil war and unmanageable fragmentation of the land... and it would have difficult for hindus to be ruler of the land...