Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974)

The 1974 amendment could not have been done in a more democratic manner. It was strictly in keeping with the same democratic principles that Jinnah envisaged and the author espouses. Nor did ZAB keel over by any pressure of the religious parties as HP states, but in fact tried his best to moderate the outcome. It was all above board and on record.

The public sentiment against mirzaees began with their belligerence exhibited after (1) the Islamic summit in Feb 1974 (during which pamphlets were distributed by opponents re mirzaee claim to khilafat); (2) the anti-Pakistan propaganda initiated by mirzaee machinery in the international press subsequent to the World Muslim Organisation`s unanimous decision (in which 140 Muslim organisations took part) at Makkah in April 1974, that ``Qadianism which calls itself a sect of Islam is a subversive movement against Islam and the Islamic world``; and came to a head with (3) the Rabwah incident of 29 May 1974.

In the Rabwah incident, fifty students from Nishter Medical College, Multan passing through Rabwah on an excursion trip were attacked and badly beaten up leaving 13 in critical condition. The Punjab Government under Hanif Ramay had set up the Justice Samdani Commission to investigate but the demonstrations continued. The demonstrators were blaming Mirza Nasir for directly instigating the attack while the mirzaees were blaming PPP.

Due to public pressure, the Government placed the entire matter before the National Assembly. One resolution was tabled by the then Law Minister, Abdul Hafeez Pirzada, while the other resolution was sponsored by the opposition and moved by Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani, the then Secretary, Parliamentary group of the Opposition.

Both resolutions were referred by the National Assembly to the `Whole House Special Committee` comprising of leaders of various groups in the Assembly.

Mirza Nasir Ahmad Qadiani, head of Qadiani group and Sadruddin, Amir of Lahori group requested the Committee to hear them in defense. The Committee accepted their request and asked them to explain fully their point of view. Mirza Nasir submitted a written explanation of about 200 pages and was examined and cross-examined by Yahya Bukhtiar, the then Attorney General(AG) of Pakistan.

According to later interviews of the then Speaker of the National Assembly Sahibzada Farooq Ali, there was absolutely no pressure from the (Peoples) party on them and Bhutto and other members of Assembly believed Qadianis were an educated class and would put forth sound arguments in support of their position. However, Mirza Nasir Ahmad gave extremely ridiculous arguments and created a poor impression. During the cross examinations, he miserably failed to present his point of view.

As for the Lahori Jamaat, Sahibzada said:

``We were under the impression that unlike Qadianis, Lahore section of Ahmadiyyat could possibly be saved from being declared a non-Muslim minority as they did not believe in the prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. But when Sadruddin, the aged leader of Lahore Jamaat presented his point of view to the House it became evident that each Ahmadiyya sect upheld dangerous and confused ideas. During the discussion when we asked the opinion of the House, majority of MNAs strongly maintained that Lahore Jamaat deserved to be declared a non-Muslim minority in the first instance. We did try to save them but there was no scope for it. It transpired that there was little doctrinal differences between the two groups, the real difference was political in nature. It was also felt that Sadruddin himself greatly desired that Lahore Jamaat should be declared non-Muslim minority. He was convinced that his arguments run contrary to his point of view.`` (Sahibzada Farooq Ali`s interview, Jang Magazine, cited in Ahmadiyya Movement, British-Jewsih Connection by Bashir Ahmad)

The Committee accordingly submitted its unanimous verdict.

The above account establishes beyond doubt that it was mass public pressure following the Rabwah incident, and not any mullah pressure, which resulted in a due parliamentary process instituted by ZAB to constitutionally resolve the Qadiani problem in Pakistan 1974.

...dreams of rainbow nationalism are sustained despite the occasional hits.

mantolives #56 Thanks for providing some figures that were quite interesting. I am not denying that muslims in east panjab suffered in larger numbers than the hindus and sikhs in what is now Pakistan. (as you know, my own family was among those who had to flee for their lives from east panjab in 1947).

However, as Pakistanis we should be concerned with wrongs done in Pakistan to hindus and sikhs who lived here before 1947, and I think Pakistan should take some steps to officially recognize this great injustice that was done even as Pakistan was formed. Whether or not the Indian government reciprocates is immaterial, since that is not our responsibility as Pakistanis.

As for jang, while I dont always agree with him, I will say that he is right in a sense in saying that ``Jinnah`s Pakistan`` died when Pakistan was formed as a result of this injustice to hindus and sikhs, if one believes (as you and I do) that Pakistan was meant to be a state where justice prevails.

So, one cannot simply dismiss what jang says by saying he is lying (and you would know from my post interactions that I never hold back from calling a lie if I see one). We can of course say that ``jinnah`s Pakistan died`` is too strong a term - since that would mean the future is hopeless when in fact nothing could be farther from the truth. I strongly believe that Pakistan will steadily move in the direction of becoming a more just state, that islamic-fascism is doomed to be a footnote in Pakistan history (like the kali-worshipping ``thugs`` of India), and that the grass roots Pakistani culture is strong and robust and will ultimately prevail and Pakistan will emerge as the most vibrant society in the region which is the place where it rightfully belongs.

Pakistan died in 1948 itself because it could only ``attract`` 5.5 million Muslims out of a total population of 70 million Muslims from India.........

The Muslims who chose to remain behind in India have to be commended for their foresight,
despite the rhetoric of Jinnah and the antics of Nehru and his chamchas............

Would appreciate Mantolives views on the first point.........

#47 by dost-mittar,

Good post Dost. But tahmed32 won`t be convinced. Many people here mistake the beat from their iPods for the pulse of the people.

As for me, I believe the last category of your statement to be correct. Pakistan is only ``now`` being born as per its original vision as laid down in its Objectives Resolution.

dost-mittar jee: if you think you understand Pakistan based on chowk interactions and online newspapers, then with all due respect sir I would submit that you understand the media and internet dynamics even less than you understand Pakistanis. Thus, to take one example: it is a well known phenomenon that the most timid souls in real life become obnoxious internet warriors as they live out their suppressed desires from the safety of th keyboard.

Similarly, for the media as they say, ``man bites dog`` is news while ``dog bites man`` is not news. While the jay thakerays of India may read a newspaper article titled ``man bites dog`` and use that to affirm their belief that Pakistanis do in fact bite dogs , you ought to know better than to think you understand a country by reading newspapers or watching TV. :-)

Re: # 80, Folio,

I agree with you. In fact, I wrote these posts with Paki perspective in mind. Sadly, they don`t want to understand. All of them barring a few engage in all type of divisive discussions.

Did I write sadly?

Samar

Re: # 84

It did not have to attract them. IOt was our job to kick them out.

We did not and hence all this BS.

Sanatani

Also with a Muhajir majority in Pak it would have been fun to watch the Pisser e Zameen take on the Muhajirs it would have been the peadophile murderer rapists arabia allover again after J`s death

... add-on...#81

It was only ironical that Masood Mehmud, a mirzaee, was retained as Head Federal Security Force by ZAB who later became instrumental in his benefactors` judicial murder through false testimony turning state witness to save his own skin, and then fled to USA where he died in ignominy.

Re: # 84

It did not have to attract them. IOt was our job to kick them out.

Come Sanatani, we were never good in this ``Kicking`` stuff....:)))

My point is the TNT was supposed to provide a seperate nation for Muslims from India....and less than 10% took the bait.........

Speaks volumes on this novel concept unleashed on the sbb-continent........

Prakash

Pakistan should not have come into being - MAJ and Nehru did the ``who will chicken first`` grand stand. No one did.

Now that it is there, and taking MAJ`s arguments to their logical conclusions, Pakistan should be there as it stands for it negates the very essence of what Zeemini and others say about the great Islamic Ummah!. In fact pakistan should become a part of the Kingdom of Saudi, and inetgrate with the arabs fully and toally. Immersing itself into the very ethos, pathos and bathos that is arabia.

#91 according to the resident UK chowkie (ally - on UP), the guy who tried to bomb tourist London were Pakistanis! I am sure Mantolives would have been happier if they were said to be from the greater Ummah as I mentioned below!

just incase some says ``proof``, here is the interact from Ally:


#2 by ally on June 29, 2007 5:48am PT
yes it is them again arjun... our building has only one entrance open and super duper security going on right now!!!

what a fuckin maseebat... cant these pakis do anything else other than give other maseebat...

What it needs is another Messiah with the power to raise the dead.

We need to be our own messiahs... stop waiting and start living!!!

iron mask

if its not been confirmed... you can say with certainty it was al-queda or one of their groups that did this... the IRA have gone away, there is no other major terrorist threat, it really can only be these ppl as they are the reason UK is on high terror alert constantly now...

#94 ally, stop preaching against Islam!

Do you want to be apostated by Echoboom, Zeemini and Masadi tub-thumpers all?

No wait a minute, you are already one in their eyes, unless zeemini is a shirt-lifter as well now that would be irony or irony itself