Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974)

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IN THE NAME OF ALLAH,THE MOST MERCIFUL THE MOST COMPASSIONATE


All praise is to ALLAH, the one prayer for and peace on the one after whom no prophet shall ever come as well as on his family, his companions and their followers, till the Day of Judgment.
The second half of the nineteenth century is of great significance in the history of Islam. During this period the forces antagonistic to Islam brought into being two sects who tried their utmost to mislead the Muslims under the label of Islam. These sects exerted all their energies in achieving the age-old desire of the enemies of Islam to wean aspirations and worship-Mecca and Madina-so as to restrain them with in the boundaries of their own countries. The purpose was to cut off the strong ties and connections bindings hundred of millions of Muslims-ties, which made the dwellers of deserts of Hijaz and Nejd, of the heights of the Himalayas and valleys of Kashmir feel and share one another’s pain and sorrows.
Out of such creations of the anti-Islamic forces was one Qadiyanism, a British agency and the second Bahaism, a joint venture of Russo-British imperialism.
The purpose of Qadiyanism was just this and nothing else. It was brought into being and reared by anti-Islamic and anti-Muslim forces. All such forces helped the Qadiyanis through material and other means. Huge funds were made available to them. During their regime British placed them in high offices in Government, gave their children educational stipends and provided them with all possible conveniences. The Hindus took up their cause through pen, press and platform. The Jews provided them with arguments and literature against the accepted principles and fundamentals beliefs of Islam, (however unrealistic and bristle these may have been). Even now international Jewry is fully helping the Qadiyani centers in Africa through the Qadiyani mission in Israel. All agencies and forces enemical to the prophet extended full help to the Qadiyanis in popping them and propagating their cause. Their soul aim was to break the Muslims bond of fealty to their Leader, the prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) whose very name causes creeps of fear in the hearts of the Non-Muslims and whose awe causes, as if an earthquake, in the fortress of anti-Muslim forces, even though he met his LORD nearly fourteen centuries back, due to his leaving and luminous teachings his Ummah even in this state of decline and decay is like a fish-bone choking the threats of the criminally minded and Muslim-bailers. The very idea of their resurgence is enough to bring sleepless nights to their agnostists, the polytheists and the anti-theists. They realize that they cannot live in peace of their own-desire and description unless they finish off the eternal teachings, which even today are capable of reviewing the decadent individuals and nations. They as a second alternative, think that if they cannot ends without at least changing and corrupting their meanings and purposefulness. The best course in their view is to help and succour such mislead religious groups as the Qadiyanis.

It is in this vein that Dr. Shankar Das, a well know Hindu addressed his Hindu brethren in the following words:

“The most crucial question before the country at this juncture is: how to achieve the spirit of nationalism in India. Sometimes bargaining mutual treaties and pacts are entered into with the Muslims. Sometimes resorts are taken to bribery to win them over. At other times, parts of their religious affair are made a politics and a political unity is sought to be achieved. But none of these methods succeeds. The Indian Muslims considered themselves a separate nation. They sing the praises of Arabian Prophet day in and day out. If they could they would change the name of India into Arabia… In this gloom, and despair the Indian nationalists patriots see only one ray of light and that friendly vision is the Ahmadiya movement. The larger the number of Muslims inclining towards Qadiyanism, they will consider Qadiyan as their Mecca and in the end will become nationalists and lovers of India. Only the growth of Qadiyani movement amongst the Muslims can end Arabians culture and pan Islamism. Let us then study the Qadiyani movement from the nationalism point of view.”

From the land of the Punjab rises a man Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani. He appeals to the Muslims:

“I am the prophet about whose advent the QURRAN speaks. Gather you under my banner, for, if you do not, God will not forgive you on the day of Resurrection and you will be placed in hell.”

Without entering the truth or the falsehood of this claim, I only wish to bring out what changes take place in a Muslims before he becomes a Qadiyani. A Qadiyani’s articles of faith are:

From time to time God creates a man for the guidance of the people. This man is the prophet of his times.
God had commissioned Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) to Arabia during the days of their moral degradation.
After Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), God felt the necessity of sending another prophet and He commissioned the Mirza to guide the Muslims.

My nationalist brethren will ask: what have these articles of faith got to do with Indian nationalism? The answer is; just as an conversion of a Hindu to Islam, his faith and belief in Rama, Karishna the Vedas, the Gita and the Ramayana are transferred into faith in the QURRAN and the holiness of Arabia similarly on conversion of a Muslim to Qadiyanism his whole point of view undergoes a transformation. His faith in Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) declines. Besides, whereas the seat of Caliphate for him used to be in Arabia or Turkey, it shifts to Qadiyani; Mecca and Medina become only traditionally holy cities. And Qadiyani whether he lie in Arabia, Turkey, Iran or any corner of the world, turns his face towards Qadiyan for spiritual peace. The land of Qadiyan for him is land of salvation. In this lies the secret of the superiority of India. Ever Qadiyani will have love for India in his heart as Qadiyan is in India, the founder of the Qadiyani was an Indian and all his successors who are guiding this sect at the present juncture are Indians…. That is the only why Muslims view the Qadiyani movements with suspicion. They know that Qadiyanism is enemical to the Arabian civilization and Islam.

During the Khilafat movement also the Ahmadis did not side with the Muslims, for, they wished to established the Caliphate in the Qadiyan rather in Turkey or Arabia. Howsoever disappointing this may be for the common Muslims who are always dreaming of pan-Islamism and pan-Arabiaism, but it surely is very pleasing for a nationalis.

When the poet of the east, Dr. Iqbal wrote a very detailed and logical article against the Qadiyanis proving logically that they are ex-communicable from the Muslim millat, the first man to lift his pen against the article was the famed Hindu leader, Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru. Who wrote several articles in confirmation, favor and defense of the Qadiyanis. So far so, that when, after this, on 29th of May 1936, Pandit Jawahr Lal Nehru came to Lahore the Qadiyani volunteers gave him a formal reception and saluted him. When this was criticized, the Qadiyani Caliph Mirza Mahmood, said in reply:

“In the recent past, Pandit Jawaher Lal Nehru refuted the articles written by Dr. Iqbal to prove that the Ahmadis were outside the fold of Muslims and very effectively proved that the Doctor’s criticism of Qadiyanism and the question of ex-communication of Ahmadis was both unreasonable and against this own earlier attitude. So when such a person comes to province as a guest, his reception on behalf of Qadiyanis is an extremely good gesture.”

Dr. Iqbal while refuting the arguments of Nehru in favor of Qadiyanism analyzed the reasons for Nehru’s support. He wrote:

“I am inclined to think that my statement on Qadiyanism-no more than a mere exposition of a religious doctrine on modern lines-has embarrassed both the Pandit and the Qadiyanis, perhaps because both inwardly resent, for different reasons, the prospects of Muslim political and religious solidarity particularly in India. It is obvious that the Indian nationalist, whose political idealism has practically killed his sense for fact, is intolerant of the birth of a desire for self-determination in the heart of North-West Indian Islam. He thinks, wrongly in my opinion, that the only way to Indian nationalism lies in a total suppression of the cultural entities of the country through the interaction of which alone India can evolve a rich and enduring culture. A nationalism achieved by such methods can mean nothing but mutual bitterness and even oppression. It is equally obvious that the Qadiyanis, too, feel nervous by the political awakening of the Indian Muslims, because they feel that the rise in political prestige of the Indian Muslims is sure to defeat their designs to crave our from the Ummat of the Arabian prophet a new ummat for the Indian prophet. It is no small surprise to me that my effort to impress on the Indian Muslims the extreme necessity of internal cohesion in the present critical movement of their history in India; and my warning them against the forces of disintegration, masquerading as Reformist movements, should have given the pandit as occasion to sympathize with such forces.”

When a movement like Qadiyanism came into existence it was evident that all anti-Islam would support and defend it. They helped the Qadiyanis actively. The British imperialism furnished it even with some individuals so that they may shape and strengthen it. Majority of such persons was from the employees of the British imperialism or of those who had been granted estates for their desertion of the nation and Islamic cause, whose very religion was the seeking of favor from and bootlicking of imperialism. This is a fact and even the founder of Qadiyanis has admitted it:

“The majority of people who have joined my sect are those who are either holding eminent posts with the British Court, or the goodly rich men, their servants and friends or businessmen, lawyers or those educated in the modern way or of such famous scholars, servants and noblemen who have either served the British Government in the past or are serving it at present or their relations or friends who accepted the influence of their elders and the weekly holders of the office of the caretakers of some religious orders. In short this is a party which is the protégé, of the British Government from who it has earned good name and who Is worthy of the Government’s favor. Or it consists of people who are related to me or are among my servants. Besides them is a large number of ulama who have brought home to thousands of hearts the munificence of the Government.”

As far as Jewish help and support is concerned, Mirza Mubarak Ahmad, grandson of the Qadiyani prophet has himself acknowledged in his book OUR FOREIGN MISSIONS VIDE PP. 79-80 in the following words:

“The Ahmadiyya mission in Israel is situated in Haifa at Mount Karmal. We have a mosque there, a mission house, a library, a book depot and a school. The mission also brings out a montly, entitled AL-BUSHRA, which is sent out to thirty different countries accessible though medium of Arabic. Many works of the promised Messiah have been translated into Arabic through this mission.
In many ways this Ahmadiyya mission has been deeply affected by the partition of what formerly was called Palestine. The small number of Muslims left in Israel derives a great deal of strength from the presence of our mission, which never misses a chance of being of service to them. Some time ago, our missionary had an interview with the Mayor of Haifa, when during the discussion on many points, he offered to build for us a school at Kababeer, a village near Haifa, where we have a strong and well established Ahmadiyya community of Palestinian Arabs. He also promised that he would come to see your missionary at Kababeer, which he did later, accompanied by four notables from Haifa. He was duly received by members of community and by the students of our school, a meeting having been held to welcome the guests. Before his return he entered his impressions in the Visitors’ Book
Another small incident, which would give readers some idea of the position our mission in Israel occupies, is that in 1956 when our missionary, choudhry Muhammad Sharif, returned to the headquarters of the Movement of Pakistan, the president of Israel sent word that he (our missionary) should see him before embarking on the journey back, Choudhry Muhammad Sharif utilized the opportunity to present a copy of the German translation of the HOLY QURRAN to the President, which he gladly accepted. This interview and what transpired at it was widely reported in the Israeli Press, and a brief account was also broadcast on the radio.”

These reasons led me to take an intensive study of almost the entire Qadiyani literature during my student days and I contributed several articles on the subject in Indo-Pak magazines of Urdu, when in 1964, God provided me with the opportunity of joining the Islamic University at Medina, I was greatly surprised to know from the African students in particular and pilgrims and visitors from other countries in general that the Qadiyanis were creating means for misleading the people of Africa particularly, by declaring themselves to be Muslims. Unfortunately no comprehensive book is available in the Africans or the Arab countries, which could acquaint their inhabitants with the beliefs and actions of the Qadiyanis. So in obedience to the wishes of friends, the desires of the teachers of the Islamic University of Medina and to fulfill this need, I started writing articles in Arabic on Qadiyanism. I made it a point that nothing should be written which is unsupported by evidence or logic and all quotations must be duly supported with complete references to the sources.

These articles were published in different Arabic magazines from time to time. Ultimately a publisher from Medina collected them and published them in the form of a book in 1967. God be thanked that the result was extremely gratifying and the book was in great demand particularly in Africa. During the same period some African friends gave expression to the desirability of an English translation of the book, which will increase its utility in view of the fact that English is more widely spoken and understood in Africa than Arabic.

In 1969 when I returned to Pakistan, my friends here felt the same need. The book is accordingly being presented in English. I admit that due to my other occupational activities I have not had time to add to the original although I did feel such an urge and necessity. But I do hope that even this attempt will not prove to be less useful in understanding the real truth about the Qadiyanism. So far as I know till today, there is no book in English on the subject, which is as detailed and well reasoned. I shall attempt the rest of the subject of discussion regarding Qadiyanism which have been off and on appearing in Urdu in my monthly magazine, “All-Hadith”, may be published in book form.

Something is important to elaborate:

Wherever I have given any question followed by its source to be a Qadiyani daily or magazine, I have copied from the book Qadiyani Mazhab by professor Muhammad Ilyas Burny which is available in the hands of all and sundry and has seen numerous editions. No Qadiyani has dared find any mistake or omission in its source material or its quotations. Thus it is reliable in the eyes of both the Muslims and the Qadiyanis as far as quotations are concerned.
The books mentioned and pages, which I have referred to, are mostly the first editions. It is a habit with the Qadiyanis that with every fresh edition they go and changes the pages of their books. This is not on account of challenge of the press- but due to necessity felt by them. For example, in the chapter ”Qadiyanism and the belief of the promised Messiah”, quotation from the Qadiyani pretender (that Christ, Peace Be Upon Him, will over-take Anti-Christ at the page of mofassil village of Jerusalem known as Lud (Lydda) and will kill him) is found in Ghulam Ahmad’s book Izalatulaahom at the page 220 of the first edition. But the Qadiyanis has reproduced this text at page 91 in the second edition. The difference is evident.

Similarly, the Qadiyani liar, abusing Shaikhul Islam Sanaullah of Amritsar says: “O the son of wind, o traitor as will be mentioned in the chapter. “The Qadiyani prophet in the history.” This abuse is found in his book at page 43 of the first edition of his book Ijaz-I-Ahmadi. But in the 2nd edition they have put it at page 77.”

In this very chapter it has been mentioned that the pretender wrote:

“That the prophet of ALLAH asked about the Day of Resurrection, when will it occur?
He replied: Doomsday will occur within a hundred years for all the sons of Adam.”

This was copied from page 257 of his book Izalatul-auham. In the second edition however, they have put it at page 104.

There are numerous such instances. Likewise I have retained the names of the Qadiyani books, as they are where they carry meanings in Arabic. I have however, arabicised some of the names as the original ones do not carry any meanings in Arabic. As example is Ghulam of Ahamd’s book Kashti-I-Nooh. In Urdu the meanings of “Kashti” is the same as that for “Safinah” in Arabic. That explains whenever I’ve mentioned this book I’ve written Safinah-I-Nooh.

Similar is the case of his book Aina-I-Kamalat-I-Islam, “Aina” is equivalent of “Miah”. So I’ve mentioned Mirato-Kamalat-I-Islam and in place of “Aeena-I-Sadaqat Miratussidq a book by Ghulam Ahmad’s son Mahmood Ahmad. Similarly Jang-I-Muqaddas of Ghulam Ahmad has been transcribed as Alharbul-Muqaddas and Ek Ghalti ka Izala as Izalato-Ghaltah also by Ghulam”

Some people might say that I’ve cast aside all terms and titles of courtesy and respect for Ghulam Ahmad and his followers much against the habit of the “Ahl-I-Hadith” who are normally very respectful even towards their opponents.

My reply is: indeed respect is and valid for one’s adversaries in opinion and faith. Sometimes it even reaches the bounds of duty. But respect need not be shown to one who is an apostate, who lashes out with his tongue on the prophets and messenger of Gods, who abuses the Caliphs and sympathizers of the Prophet, his sons and his kind companions, who derogates from the honor of the leader of the prophets and himself claims prophet hood. Not only that for such persons showing no respect is proper but is irreligious for the Muslims to respect them. The Prophet himself, addressing people like these said:

“From Muhammad, the prophet of God to Musailma, the imposter.”

“And we have in the prophet, the paragon of virtues” The QURRAN.

As to abuse or rebuke-God forbid that we may do so to anyone- may he be the Anti-Christ indeed like Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani was. This is because the prophet said:

“A believer should neither castigate nor curse” Tirmidhi.



this wasn`t reading by me but i took it from a book ..... hope you won`t mind reading it neither won`t mind it

I know that this article will attract a lot of attacks from all sides ... which I personally take as the validation of my point of view... but before that I want to put up a simple disclaimer..

In my personal religious view- which has evolved over time- I am quite clear that Ahmaddiya faith is simply an off-shoot of the sunni paganism which was invented in the early period of Islam by the children of Ummaya in order to usurp power ... in my estimate Ahmadis are as misguided as 80% of the rest of the Islamic world...

However... I will stand by their right to call themselves whatever they please as I will for the rights of a sunni pagan to call himself a Muslim, despite my complete antipathy for such paganism.

Masadi,

Zaban sambhal kay baat karo... I know tumhe kisi nay tameez nahi sikhai.

I have nothing to do with Chowk or Chowk staff or its editorial policies. I therefore suggest that you apologise immediately for your abusive language.

Consider: The cornerstone of Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah and Muslim League`s struggle to achieve Pakistan was that a permanent majority should not, by sheer numerical weight, be allowed to dominate a permanent minority


That ``cornerstone`` is when muslims are in the minority...

wherever muslims are in the minority, they raise a stink(and more) about their right not being protected...and countries where muslims are in the majority..well, think saudi arabia...nuff said...

Yasser,

Relevant article, one which may lead to a meaningful discussion; but I must ask re #2: was it necessary to describe Ahmadi beliefs as something rooted in misguided sunni paganism aimed at usurping power invented by children of Ummaya from early Islamic history? That is a mouthful and begs to be elaborated upon … or omitted altogether. So I remain unsure of the place of your personal views in this discussion, as they come across more as demeaning and derogatory, without serving a meaningful purpose. Thanks, but no, thanks.

If demise of Pakistan continues to be caused by self-righteous Muslims, then I hope you too will join in. Welcome to the party; hope you’ll stick around for awhile.

Re: # 6 rf mian

YLH`s theory of permanent majority and minority is absurd and against common sense... as pointed out by posts below...

YLH

{The cornerstone of Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah and Muslim League`s struggle to achieve Pakistan was that a permanent majority should not, by sheer numerical weight, be allowed to dominate a permanent minority}

Absolutely beautiful, pure and simple liberal democracy. Thanks.

Dear Sattar,

If you take out the one issue on the interpretation of ``Khatim`` ... Ahmadis are for all practical purposes Sunnis following the Hanafi School of Islamic law...

My personal religious beliefs should not be an issue ... for you or for Urstruly or any other interactor... what matters is that I stand for everyone`s right to profess as they please.

The meaningful discussion ought to be around this single point alone ... or else it is as meaningless as the god awful debate about whether Jesus is dead or alive.

Is religion the sole criteron (sp?) for majority/minority decision?
A state/nation/city/country is divided into all kinds of majorities/minorities.
Why not apply ethnicity/language/sect/colour and so on?
Once you start dividing people using one criterion, there is no end to it.

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Shishapa is exactly right... what you have been writing in your multiple articles here is just your confusion and lack of understanding of very simple facts... you keep beating around the bush, invent theories, change your minds a bunch of times... In short - you still don`t get it... :)

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That pakistan died in 1974,or 1971 or whenever was not a surprise to anyone... In fact, even the impostor, as you call it, that continues to exist is a big deal in itself... shows the rare committment of a very fractitious and paranoid people to keep going despite all absurdities that militates against their cohesion... I will give pakis that much, but it remains to be seen for how long...

Mian shishapa,

I on the other hand have been favoring using all distinctions together to bring a sense of overlapping identities...

Since you participated on my article ``Citizenship and Ethnicity in Pakistan`` ... one would imagine you would know that I already addressed that issue...

Or maybe you just don`t like to read the article before commenting.

[...Absurdities abound...]

It took you this long to figure this out, huh?...

Absurdity start from the very beginning, from the cornerstone theory of of ``tyranny of majority`` that you are throwing around... hinuds and moslems were hardly homogenous in any sense of the word - so to brand them as ``permanent majority`` and ``permanent minority`` is the biggest Absurdity and stupidity to begin with... It was pegion-holing at its worst, it was complete lack of common-sense, because of the multiple fractures that runs thru these communities spread across vast landscapes of the sub-contient... and that too when the so-called ``permanent minority`` were almost one-third of the population...

What you realized today is exactly what has been foretold in 1947 and immediately after... That pakistan was not an sustainable entity, the concepts and theories are based on which it was being created is simply untenable and patently absurd...

Only thing the subcontinent needed was sustainable development, free-wheeling democracy and fundamental rigths to all... it didn`t need identity politics, there was no need to invent ``permanent`` scare-crows where none existed... there was no need to invent paranoid theories of ``domination`` where nothing was even remotely possible...

By doing so - Mahomed Jinnah unwittingly handed over power to the forces he was opposed to... in retrospect, he wasn`t really that smart a man... he was a man who was most comfortable with hinuds who he demonized while least comfortable with mullahs and fanatic abduls which he he ended up living with...

It ended up creating lands where muslims are never at peace with each other... and gave perfect opportunity for hinuds to dominate the sub-continent...

So yes, Absurdities abound...

Re: # 13 sattar

Well said... this is yet another example of absurdity and stupidity expressed by YLH...

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(((Minor but critical point: The word is “khatam” … and not “khatim”. Note the subtle difference, which is at the root of bulk of misunderstanding. And I can cite reference after reference to support my viewpoint on this. Not only that, I can comfortably argue in favor of continuation of prophethood from a Quranic viewpoint on basis of reason. But do you really want to start this debate? I don’t think so. So let’s not open this can of worms when it is neither the time, nor the place for it))))))

Sattar mian how many times do you want us to discuss this load of rubbish?I have seen the refrences that you have shown here but never did you bother to explain how do they support the continuation of Prophethood. I have requested you number of times to enlighten our dark souls with the `common usage` of the word `khatam` i.e. the meaning of the term prevailing in the time of Prophet[pbuh] and along with that.... a single unequivocal verse of the Quran which supports the crap of Qadianism.???Enough of this language game already....follow zeemax`s islam...get a life....in the hereafter.

Waisay BTW the person who claims to show the path to others MUST himself be able to see with both eyes.don`t you think?

I can sense the presence of abu_safwaan around. Nikil patli gali se..aur izaat bacha apni bhi aur HALF fried(kacha) messenger ki bhi.

Yasser (#7),

Minor but critical point: The word is “khatam” … and not “khatim”. Note the subtle difference, which is at the root of bulk of misunderstanding. And I can cite reference after reference to support my viewpoint on this. Not only that, I can comfortably argue in favor of continuation of prophethood from a Quranic viewpoint on basis of reason. But do you really want to start this debate? I don’t think so. So let’s not open this can of worms when it is neither the time, nor the place for it.

If you think that difference in interpretation of one word (which remains highly debatable by any standard, to say the least) makes Ahmadi-Muslim belief part of a power-usurping paganism, it says a lot about your own narrow take on Islam. Like I said, thanks, but no thanks. I can do without such narrow-minded self-righteousness. And spare me this “Hanafi School of Islamic Law” stuff … it makes you sound dangerously like Naqshbandi.

And finally, it is very naïve of you to unnecessarily make derogatory comments about Ahmadi-Muslim beliefs, while insisting that your personal views are not an issue. Imagine Lyndon Johnson supporting equal rights for African-Americans, and ending his speech by insisting that personally he has nothing but disdain for blacks. Pardon me, but that’s a load of crap. If your personal view is irrelevant, then learn to keep a lid on it.