Rafi Aamer July 12, 2007
#9 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 1:06:51 pm
Sohail and neembu,
Thanks. I am glad you liked it.
Rafi Aamer
Thanks. I am glad you liked it.
Rafi Aamer
#10 Posted by stuka on July 12, 2007 1:18:29 pm
Rafi Amer:
I`ll be honest. I enjoyed the story and was taken in by the end. Till I read Echobbom`s comment...
``
I do not mind Zebras being Zebras refusing to be tamed...but they should not smoke hash
while accepting pet-food from their parents. ``
You have to be intellectually honest and admit that Echoboom`s comment is right on the money and it does rob Shazi of sympathy.
I`ll be honest. I enjoyed the story and was taken in by the end. Till I read Echobbom`s comment...
``
I do not mind Zebras being Zebras refusing to be tamed...but they should not smoke hash
while accepting pet-food from their parents. ``
You have to be intellectually honest and admit that Echoboom`s comment is right on the money and it does rob Shazi of sympathy.
#11 Posted by MaulaJutt on July 12, 2007 1:22:03 pm
Rafi Sahib,
Excellent peace of writing. Ending was great good job and please keep it up.
Question so which character would you think was the zebra and who was the horse?
I would say shazi was the zebra and you were the horse? am I right.
Excellent peace of writing. Ending was great good job and please keep it up.
Question so which character would you think was the zebra and who was the horse?
I would say shazi was the zebra and you were the horse? am I right.
#12 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 12, 2007 1:22:12 pm
This is like Shahab meets Ashfaq meets Banu Qudsia meets AN Qasmi meets Munnu Bhai all rolled into one. I don`t like it. There is no story here, it is more like a cliched character sketch peppered with obligatory details of the narrator. But for chowk standards - it`s definitely one of the tops. Please, keep writing.
#13 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 1:35:14 pm
Re: # 11 by MaulaJutt
Thanks. And you are right.
Thanks. And you are right.
#14 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 1:41:41 pm
Re: # 12
Just for the sake of discussion, do you think this is really cliched? I found the nuances of the protectiveness of Shazi`s friends to be fairly accurate. Also, good discussion of addiction, depression and how these aspects are enabled by his fam who dont seem to know how to address Shazi`s issues. This enablement, codependency, whatever you want to call it, would be totally acceptable if Shazi did all the ``right`` things for his parents.
Just for the sake of discussion, do you think this is really cliched? I found the nuances of the protectiveness of Shazi`s friends to be fairly accurate. Also, good discussion of addiction, depression and how these aspects are enabled by his fam who dont seem to know how to address Shazi`s issues. This enablement, codependency, whatever you want to call it, would be totally acceptable if Shazi did all the ``right`` things for his parents.
#15 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 1:42:56 pm
Re: # 10 by stuka.
Thanks for your honest feedback.
Echoboom`s observation is based on an assumption, one which I had addressed in the first draft but then removed it. In a short story, which is already too long to be qualified as a short one, I didn`t have room enough to cover every possible base. The pet-food thing was one of those bases.
Thanks again for the feedback.
Rafi
Thanks for your honest feedback.
Echoboom`s observation is based on an assumption, one which I had addressed in the first draft but then removed it. In a short story, which is already too long to be qualified as a short one, I didn`t have room enough to cover every possible base. The pet-food thing was one of those bases.
Thanks again for the feedback.
Rafi
#16 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 1:46:20 pm
Re: # 12 by Raw Dust
Thanks for your feedback. This was my very first attempt at fiction and I intend to follow your advice of keep writing. Who knows, I might one day succeed to unroll and separate all the people you have mentioned. :)
Rafi
Thanks for your feedback. This was my very first attempt at fiction and I intend to follow your advice of keep writing. Who knows, I might one day succeed to unroll and separate all the people you have mentioned. :)
Rafi
#17 Posted by mooli on July 12, 2007 1:55:10 pm
Re: # 14
Neembu,
I have smoked charas and continue to do so whenever I go back home for medicinal purposes, I dont see any harm in smoking ``malanga de booti``. Its not a hard core ``dawai``, Marijuana is a lot more potent than charas.
Rafi Sahib,
Congratulations!!! on a great story. Brought back memories of college days, bribing the registrar, eating samosas, smoking, chasing girls..... I miss pakistan. Great job. keep it up.
Neembu,
I have smoked charas and continue to do so whenever I go back home for medicinal purposes, I dont see any harm in smoking ``malanga de booti``. Its not a hard core ``dawai``, Marijuana is a lot more potent than charas.
Rafi Sahib,
Congratulations!!! on a great story. Brought back memories of college days, bribing the registrar, eating samosas, smoking, chasing girls..... I miss pakistan. Great job. keep it up.
#18 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 2:11:01 pm
Re: # 17
agreed that for those who dont struggle with addiction that weed, liquor, etc. is not a big deal.
stuka did bring up a good point (i really hate admitting it) and that is when does addiction become a problem for the extended familial system? also, mental illness can develop in later life or be the underlying issue in addiction to which i`m sure dr. sohail will attest. the fam would rather see him as a ``failure`` or a ``rebel``...my reading is that it may be all these factors.
agreed that for those who dont struggle with addiction that weed, liquor, etc. is not a big deal.
stuka did bring up a good point (i really hate admitting it) and that is when does addiction become a problem for the extended familial system? also, mental illness can develop in later life or be the underlying issue in addiction to which i`m sure dr. sohail will attest. the fam would rather see him as a ``failure`` or a ``rebel``...my reading is that it may be all these factors.
#19 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 12, 2007 2:17:28 pm
re #14
I said cliched cos I`d come across Shazzy character a few times before. The ideal ``Loser`` who comes from a unique place preferably grew up in a not so closely knit family, financially in the flux, he opts for the ``Arts`` major (humanities: MA) enroute to a life as a clerical-underling scraping the bottom hole of the class-hierarchy.
Qayyum from Raja Gidh was one such character, Ashfaq Ahmed and Qasmi`s short stories are littered with these specimen which is not to say they aren`t good. It is just that this guy`s been done before and a heck of a lot better.
rafi_aamer: Sure. For the first time writing this is very very well-done.! Brought me a lot of good memories. (I can`t write two lines properly just so you know.)
I said cliched cos I`d come across Shazzy character a few times before. The ideal ``Loser`` who comes from a unique place preferably grew up in a not so closely knit family, financially in the flux, he opts for the ``Arts`` major (humanities: MA) enroute to a life as a clerical-underling scraping the bottom hole of the class-hierarchy.
Qayyum from Raja Gidh was one such character, Ashfaq Ahmed and Qasmi`s short stories are littered with these specimen which is not to say they aren`t good. It is just that this guy`s been done before and a heck of a lot better.
rafi_aamer: Sure. For the first time writing this is very very well-done.! Brought me a lot of good memories. (I can`t write two lines properly just so you know.)
#20 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 2:49:10 pm
Re: # 19
raw_dust, don`t tell me you are in the sciences...
raw_dust, don`t tell me you are in the sciences...
#21 Posted by bongdongs on July 12, 2007 3:01:19 pm
I`m sure we all could see the Rafi`s and Shazi`s we know in this story.
My congratulations, very nicely written Rafi-bhai.
My congratulations, very nicely written Rafi-bhai.
#22 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 12, 2007 3:06:42 pm
#20
And you have no idea what I am talking about. How long does it take you to get personal, have you ever time-watched yourself smartass?
And you have no idea what I am talking about. How long does it take you to get personal, have you ever time-watched yourself smartass?
#23 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 5:50:06 pm
Re: # 22
Raw_Dust, that comment was not directed at you personally. However, is the following any less of a generalization of an entire sphere of intellectual inquiry?
``..The ideal ``Loser`` who comes from a unique place preferably grew up in a not so closely knit family, financially in the flux, he opts for the ``Arts`` major (humanities: MA) enroute to a life as a clerical-underling scraping the bottom hole of the class-hierarchy...``
Raw_Dust, that comment was not directed at you personally. However, is the following any less of a generalization of an entire sphere of intellectual inquiry?
``..The ideal ``Loser`` who comes from a unique place preferably grew up in a not so closely knit family, financially in the flux, he opts for the ``Arts`` major (humanities: MA) enroute to a life as a clerical-underling scraping the bottom hole of the class-hierarchy...``
#24 Posted by okhla99 on July 12, 2007 7:33:37 pm
Kudos to the author.
The beauty of his writing lies in the details. Ordinary people and events. Lovely detailing. Thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
Keep up the good work.
The beauty of his writing lies in the details. Ordinary people and events. Lovely detailing. Thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
Keep up the good work.
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