Rafi Aamer July 12, 2007
#1 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 10:33:13 am
Chowk Staff,
Thanks for publishing the story. The description that you added (``Short Story``) should have been ``A Longish Short Story`` :)
Thanks for publishing the story. The description that you added (``Short Story``) should have been ``A Longish Short Story`` :)
#3 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 10:52:25 am
Re: # 2
Echoboom:
I really don`t care what names you call me but do you think that its a decent thing to do to give the ending of the story away?
Regards,
Rafi Aamer
Echoboom:
I really don`t care what names you call me but do you think that its a decent thing to do to give the ending of the story away?
Regards,
Rafi Aamer
#2 Posted by echoboom on July 12, 2007 10:43:01 am
..............``Zebras never become pets and tools like horses.”
Fiction aside, I wait for others to comment if this is a fact.
In my opinion, the land where zebras are found are horse itself is not a prized species..and maybe not even found!
There used to be a ``Zebra`` trade-mark ink in Pakistan...during the fountain-pen era. They had a Zebra driven delivery carriage.
We always wondered whether the stripes were real or marked by ``Zebra`` ink ..to advertise the power of the ink.
Now I think , it must have been a Zebra..because it would have been quite a task to do that...besides in sun , rain, & dust it was bound to fade.
.
I do not mind Zebras being Zebras refusing to be tamed...but they should not smoke hash
while accepting pet-food from their parents.
THe westoxicated scum is truly is a con artist....he wants to be a Zebra while making an ass of himself.
Fiction aside, I wait for others to comment if this is a fact.
In my opinion, the land where zebras are found are horse itself is not a prized species..and maybe not even found!
There used to be a ``Zebra`` trade-mark ink in Pakistan...during the fountain-pen era. They had a Zebra driven delivery carriage.
We always wondered whether the stripes were real or marked by ``Zebra`` ink ..to advertise the power of the ink.
Now I think , it must have been a Zebra..because it would have been quite a task to do that...besides in sun , rain, & dust it was bound to fade.
.
I do not mind Zebras being Zebras refusing to be tamed...but they should not smoke hash
while accepting pet-food from their parents.
THe westoxicated scum is truly is a con artist....he wants to be a Zebra while making an ass of himself.
#4 Posted by echoboom on July 12, 2007 11:02:02 am
rafi-aamer:
No bad intent there & you were NOT called any names...just a tinka in your darRhee.
Once looking at the length of the story, I immediately scrolled to see the answer. Human failing suppose.....
No one would have noticed if I gave away the ending..had you yourself had not brought it to everyones notice.
No bad intent there & you were NOT called any names...just a tinka in your darRhee.
Once looking at the length of the story, I immediately scrolled to see the answer. Human failing suppose.....
No one would have noticed if I gave away the ending..had you yourself had not brought it to everyones notice.
#5 Posted by drsohail on July 12, 2007 12:52:56 pm
dear rafi....a wonderful short/long story. your analogies of horse and zebra for traditional
and creative (non-traditional) people are wonderful. creative people have to pay a price to
be non-traditional. i hope you keep on writing essays and stories and not be discouraged
by the criticism...all the best...sohail
and creative (non-traditional) people are wonderful. creative people have to pay a price to
be non-traditional. i hope you keep on writing essays and stories and not be discouraged
by the criticism...all the best...sohail
#7 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 12:54:56 pm
Re: # 6
correction: A really well written story-one of the most psychologically complex
correction: A really well written story-one of the most psychologically complex
#6 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 12:54:00 pm
A really well written story-one of the psychologically complex, well structured and emotionally present pieces to be published on Chowk. Almost perfect.
#8 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 1:05:21 pm
also, aamer sahib, you ought to start shopping this around to literary mags and publications in the US.
#9 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 1:06:51 pm
Sohail and neembu,
Thanks. I am glad you liked it.
Rafi Aamer
Thanks. I am glad you liked it.
Rafi Aamer
#13 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 1:35:14 pm
Re: # 11 by MaulaJutt
Thanks. And you are right.
Thanks. And you are right.
#15 Posted by rafi_aamer on July 12, 2007 1:42:56 pm
Re: # 10 by stuka.
Thanks for your honest feedback.
Echoboom`s observation is based on an assumption, one which I had addressed in the first draft but then removed it. In a short story, which is already too long to be qualified as a short one, I didn`t have room enough to cover every possible base. The pet-food thing was one of those bases.
Thanks again for the feedback.
Rafi
Thanks for your honest feedback.
Echoboom`s observation is based on an assumption, one which I had addressed in the first draft but then removed it. In a short story, which is already too long to be qualified as a short one, I didn`t have room enough to cover every possible base. The pet-food thing was one of those bases.
Thanks again for the feedback.
Rafi
#10 Posted by stuka on July 12, 2007 1:18:29 pm
Rafi Amer:
I`ll be honest. I enjoyed the story and was taken in by the end. Till I read Echobbom`s comment...
``
I do not mind Zebras being Zebras refusing to be tamed...but they should not smoke hash
while accepting pet-food from their parents. ``
You have to be intellectually honest and admit that Echoboom`s comment is right on the money and it does rob Shazi of sympathy.
I`ll be honest. I enjoyed the story and was taken in by the end. Till I read Echobbom`s comment...
``
I do not mind Zebras being Zebras refusing to be tamed...but they should not smoke hash
while accepting pet-food from their parents. ``
You have to be intellectually honest and admit that Echoboom`s comment is right on the money and it does rob Shazi of sympathy.
#11 Posted by MaulaJutt on July 12, 2007 1:22:03 pm
Rafi Sahib,
Excellent peace of writing. Ending was great good job and please keep it up.
Question so which character would you think was the zebra and who was the horse?
I would say shazi was the zebra and you were the horse? am I right.
Excellent peace of writing. Ending was great good job and please keep it up.
Question so which character would you think was the zebra and who was the horse?
I would say shazi was the zebra and you were the horse? am I right.
#18 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 2:11:01 pm
Re: # 17
agreed that for those who dont struggle with addiction that weed, liquor, etc. is not a big deal.
stuka did bring up a good point (i really hate admitting it) and that is when does addiction become a problem for the extended familial system? also, mental illness can develop in later life or be the underlying issue in addiction to which i`m sure dr. sohail will attest. the fam would rather see him as a ``failure`` or a ``rebel``...my reading is that it may be all these factors.
agreed that for those who dont struggle with addiction that weed, liquor, etc. is not a big deal.
stuka did bring up a good point (i really hate admitting it) and that is when does addiction become a problem for the extended familial system? also, mental illness can develop in later life or be the underlying issue in addiction to which i`m sure dr. sohail will attest. the fam would rather see him as a ``failure`` or a ``rebel``...my reading is that it may be all these factors.
#17 Posted by mooli on July 12, 2007 1:55:10 pm
Re: # 14
Neembu,
I have smoked charas and continue to do so whenever I go back home for medicinal purposes, I dont see any harm in smoking ``malanga de booti``. Its not a hard core ``dawai``, Marijuana is a lot more potent than charas.
Rafi Sahib,
Congratulations!!! on a great story. Brought back memories of college days, bribing the registrar, eating samosas, smoking, chasing girls..... I miss pakistan. Great job. keep it up.
Neembu,
I have smoked charas and continue to do so whenever I go back home for medicinal purposes, I dont see any harm in smoking ``malanga de booti``. Its not a hard core ``dawai``, Marijuana is a lot more potent than charas.
Rafi Sahib,
Congratulations!!! on a great story. Brought back memories of college days, bribing the registrar, eating samosas, smoking, chasing girls..... I miss pakistan. Great job. keep it up.
#14 Posted by neembu on July 12, 2007 1:41:41 pm
Re: # 12
Just for the sake of discussion, do you think this is really cliched? I found the nuances of the protectiveness of Shazi`s friends to be fairly accurate. Also, good discussion of addiction, depression and how these aspects are enabled by his fam who dont seem to know how to address Shazi`s issues. This enablement, codependency, whatever you want to call it, would be totally acceptable if Shazi did all the ``right`` things for his parents.
Just for the sake of discussion, do you think this is really cliched? I found the nuances of the protectiveness of Shazi`s friends to be fairly accurate. Also, good discussion of addiction, depression and how these aspects are enabled by his fam who dont seem to know how to address Shazi`s issues. This enablement, codependency, whatever you want to call it, would be totally acceptable if Shazi did all the ``right`` things for his parents.
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