What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades

Re: # 11

Dear Jayaprakash Thackerey,

Are you really a stupid/idiot or are you just acting like one? Does lying come naturally to third rate Hindu fascist like you?

I, YLH, see that it upsets you greatly that I have always stood up consistently against anti-modern fascist Mullahs and Medievalist Gandhian fascists ... and have proven again and again the similarities between the ``ideologies`` of Mullahs like Burqah Revolutionary Auntie Aziz and Racist Casteist Hindu Fascist Bigot Gandhi (who introduced Mullahs in politics in the first place)

It goes without saying all these Mullahs are the greatest enemies of Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah`s Pakistan and Pakistan`s own aspirations as a progressive and liberal welfare state which provides equal opportunities ...

These are the same Mullahs who called Jinnah ``Kafir-e-Azam`` and opposed the Pakistan Movement and called it ``Kafiristan Movement``....

Below is the historical record which makes plain how Hindu fascist racist casteist bigot Gandhi the great grandfather of Jamia Hafsa...


``There is that there is a much greater link of Gandhi to Moplahs and indeed Jamia Hafsa ... than the two nation theory that Jayp wants to malign and has even taken to inventing quotes... you know could care less to bring them together but if someone can so illogically argue and try to link the Islamo-fascist tendencies in a small minority of Muslims to our legtimate stance for Pakistan... then one should point out the obvious links between Gandhi and true Islamic fundamentalist and terrorist movements of South Asia... I do not wish to dwell Gandhi honestly but if this line of argument is taken... should I not point out the facts?


Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat: `It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE `HIMALAYAN ERROR` of Gandhiji`s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali`s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League`.

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`Since the Khilafat agitation, things have changed and it has been one of the many injuries inflicted on India by the encouragement of the Khilafat crusade, that the inner Muslim feeling of hatred against `unbelievers` has sprung up, naked and unashamed, as in years gone by`.

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A terrible and gruesome fallout of the disastrous Khilafat experiment of Mahatma Gandhi was the Moplah Rebellion in Malabar District in 1921. According to the Report of the ENQUIRY COMMITTEE OF SERVANTS OF INDIA SOCIETY, the number of Hindus murdered by Moplah Muslims was 1500, the number of Hindus forcibly converted 20,000 and the value of property looted about Rs three crore. When the national and local leaders appealed to the virulently anti-Hindu Moplah Muslims in the name of Mahatma Gandhi to follow the ways of peace and non-violence, they replied bluntly with Islamic fervour: `GANDHI IS A KAFIR, HOW CAN HE BE OUR LEADER?` Dr Anne Besant declared: `The Moplah Muslim marauders murdered and plundered abundantly, killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatize. Somewhere about 100,000 people were driven from their homes with nothing but the clothes they had on, stripped of everything`. She also accused all the Khilafat religious preachers for all this terrible atrocities. J Campbell, chief of the Intelligence Department, Government of India, held the Khilafat leaders squarely responsible for inciting racial hatred resulting in Moplah carnage.

http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06aug/2208ss1.htm

Mahatma Gandhi`s attempt to harness the feeling for the cause of national independence backfired and led to the uprising in Kerala known as the Moplah Rebellion. It took the British several months to put it down at the cost of thousands of lives.



Moplahs were very much part of the grand Khilafat Movement that Gandhi was spearheading and Gandhi kept apologising for them


The Dravidian Moplahs had directed their revolt with class venom against some Aryan high-caste Hindus with property as well as Britishers: Brahmanical elements tried to use that to spark a crisis in Hindu-Muslim relations all over India. Gandhi tried to hold a balance: like the U.S. press and the Negro nationalists who read it he stressed that the Moplah uprising could be made part of a united drive for independence by Indians of all sects.But he was also aware of the pan-Islamic dimension: in a December 1921 call to the British to suspend their attacks against the Moplahs, he was to observe that the Moplahs saw themselves as fighting for a religion with methods they considered religious: Yogesh Chadha, Rediscovering Gandhi (London: Century 1997) p. 254.


And lets not forget the Tehreek-e-Hijrat Fatwa that Gandhi`s right hand man Azad gave to Muslims which gave Muslims two options ``JEHAD`` or ``HIJRAT``.

The Muslim Ulema, thinkers and activists called for the boycott of foreign goods and non-cooperation with the British government. Meetings were organised in order to rally the masses to support these issues. The meetings were organised under the banner of Mo’tamar al-Ansar (The Workers Conference) and various newspapers such as Al-Hilal of Maualana Abul Kalam Azad and The Comrade of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar. Both Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar were put behind bars for publishing anti-British articles in their newspapers. The latter spent four years in prison between 1911 and 1915CE.


The allegiance of the Muslim intelligentsia of India at that to the Khilafah is unquestionable. Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad summed up their view when he wrote in his newspaper al-Hilal on 6th November 1912 that the Ottoman Sultans possessed the only sword which Muslims had for their protection. Insofar as the “caliphate was essentially a religious integration of the shari’a”, it became “necessary by revelation, is of God’s institution and that obedience to its authority is farz, or positively commanded”.


The Khilafat Movement


In September 1919, Maulana Muhammad Ali and his brother Shaukat Ali, together with Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, Dr. Mukhtar Ahmed Ansari, and Hasrat Mohani, started a new organization, the Khilafat Movement (1919-1924). Their avowed aim was to use whatever leverage they had to protect the Khilafah. They organized Khilafat Conferences in several northern Indian cities. It is noticeable that the scholars and activists that were part of the Khilafat movement came from different schools of thought and backgrounds, for example Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was known to be a ‘ghayr taqleedi’ (non-taqleedi – who believed Taqleed to Mazahib is prohibited) and Maulana Mahmood Hasan was Deobandi who are followers of the Hanafi Mazhab yet they were united in the objective of working for the maintenance of the Khilafah.


In 1919, the Bombay Khilafat Committee agreed on two important organisational goals: “first, to urge the retention of the temporal powers of the Sultan of Turkey as Caliph, and second to ensure his continued suzerainty over the Islamic holy places.”

Delivering the presidential address at the Calcutta meeting of the Bengal Provincial Khilafat Conference in 1920, Maulana Azad discussed the importance of Khilafah he declared, “the purpose of this institution was to organise and lead the Muslim community in the right path, to establish justice, to bring about peace, and to spread God’s word in the world. For all this it was absolutely necessary for the caliph to possess temporal power”. Maulana Azad had no doubt that “without an Imam, their lives were un-Islamic and that they would be damned after death”.


Maulana Azad published a book in 1920 called Masla-e-Khilafat (The Issue of Khilafah), he stated: “Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this”.

In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said, “There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws”.

According to Peter Hardy, Maulana Azad believed that, “The Muslim who would separate religion and politics for Muslims is an apostate who works silently”.


The loss of political power in India and the threat posed by a combination of forces to the temporal authority of the caliph, was so worrisome for the leaders of the Muslim community that some of them felt compelled to issue fatwas ‘in favour of migration (hijra)’ from India.


Maulana Abul Kalam Azad issued a fatwa which was published in the daily Ahl-e-Hadith of Amritsar on 30 July 1920. In his fatwa he urged Hijrat from India as an alternative to non-cooperation with the British. (YLH`s note: Was the Hijaz Born Azad a ``Wahabi``... note ``Ahle-Hadith)

Maulana Abdul Bari’s fatwa said, “every Muslim residing here should adopt non-cooperation but if (that is) impossible, should proceed for hijrat”. Maulana Shaukat Ali issued a statement on behalf of the Central Khilafat Committee, “expressing the hope that all dedicated Muslims would stay in India and work for the non-cooperation. Only if it did not succeed would they consider resorting to hijrat”. The impact of the fatwa was electrifying and thousands of Muslims preferred to leave the Dar al harb of India where their religious rights symbolized in the position of the Turkish Caliph was being infringed.


And most amazing was the fact that Gandhi`s encouragement led to Deobandi ulema creating the Jamiat ulema Hind ... which in its numerous forms and heads plagues South Asia even today... and all these groups are spin offs of the same.
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#111 by kaalchakra re anil,

The only reason zeemax has been reticent about using his full repertoire of weapons in this fight is that he is still bogged down a little in his dharati prem and dharati dharma. Were Islamists to follow the methods they have followed in other countries, they can be more effective, and ultimately succeed quicker.

That is correct. To add to that, this is the reason why the FATA areas and most of settled NWFP successfully uses the same methods as others, while Punjab is mostly and Sindh completely bogged down in `dharati dharma`. The Pathans were never exposed to it by far :)

Fawzia,

An excellent article indeed.

Shows the bigotry and irrational stupidity of these Mullah fools who masquerade as Muslims ...

-YLH

What a sad bunch.

Lessons from lal majid,

Lal majid is the best thing that happened to Pakistan. For a long time, the ilks of YLH, tahmed etc have maintained that jihadic mosques are in the rural areas where poverty creates a fertile ground for jihadi students where the madrasas provide the food.

The mosr virulent jinahic islam strain has been found in the mosque in the capital of pakistan proves once an for all that this strain is endemic to pakistan, found in every part.

The arms collection and the military precision of the jihadic attackers from the majid proves that the real jihadis come from the well to do pakistan areas.

Today was a CNN report, which has called Pakistan, the terror central, a status that i conferred to Pakistan long time ago.

For the first time, it is there for all the world to see, the jihadic training camps are not in some tribal areas, it is right there in Pak capital. It also shows where to look for the osama.

The finding of anti- aircraft guns on a house top is another proof of the extend to which the Pak army has been trained as a jihadic army. For the first time the mutilation of indian soldiers in Kargill proved that the pak army has been fully retrained as a jihadic army, seething in hate and brutality, the hall mark of jihadis.

At last the world is realizing that all terrorism leads to Pakistan. Since Pakistan is the only coutry created in the name of islam, a new version of islam called Jinnah version has taken root in that country. This is charectorised by a comprehensive system of education called k for kafir education system, total givernment suppoprt for this Jinnah islam based on the TNT .

The crowining achievemnt that brought it to worlds attention is the demolition of Bhumian Budhas. These statues survived more than 2000 years, through all of the muslim invaders. The hatred for other religions, the core of the TNT, and transmitted to the students of Pak schools resilted in the demolition of teh statues,

Another charecteristics of teh Jinnah islam is the sending of its fighters to various parts of teh globe. It started with kashmir and spread to the US and UK.

The only way to stop this menace is the abolition of the country that was formed to support thsi version of islam.

It si time to talk of teh partition of Pakistan and thus the elimination of Jinnah islam. Thsi has been done in Bangladesh, time to replicate it in the west Pakistan.

Manto, perhaps you should send in that Khalistani Congressman from NY to the Lal Masjid for a proper education on the virtues of not having sex...and a free Fanta Orange drink as a bonus. He might turn Gandhian, after all!

If the ``looks`` don`t do it, perhaps the sticks may get the job done.

Re: # 124

Atif Sahib,

Dont you dare try to tell me when you think you`ve been disrespectful to me. You must think the women at chowk are really stupid especially when you are incapable to actually commenting on what Dr. Afzul-Khan was interrogating in her piece and focus on her looks and sexual availability to YOU instead. Are you really claiming that this exchange would not be considered sexual harrassment? I`d like you to make these comments at work and see how fast you`d get slapped with a lawsuit. Hudh ho gaye, how completely disgustingly clueless and entitled these men at chowk are.

China pakistan link

On the chowk, the tahmeds and YLH etc are all paraise for the chinese, their close links with the pakistanese and how good the chinese are in relation to the indians.

The lal maskid incident has shown the basis of that praise and support, the chinese are running the brothels. For once the mullahs have done the right thing. In the age old business of prostitution, chinese technology of massaging is not required in Pakistan, or is that Pakistan needs help even in this primordial tasks,

Re: 126

You have proven your own psychosis. My condolences to your family.

jayp thakeray #138: You seem to be getting blurred vision again, given that you refer to individual posters in the plural. This is a symptom of Thakerayitis and you may need to be re-admitted at the Modi Mental Asylum for further tests.

Re: # 138

The equation, according to ``learned scholars`` goes like this...............

..Mullah Aziz and his fetish for decking himself in a Burha and making a complete ass of himself is because of Moplah rebellion of 1921 which is a result of Gandhiji`s support for the Khilafath movement..............

Reading that aloud a few hundred times daily could get you to believe it.......in a few years time........

Re: # 96

Dr. Afzal-Khan,

Please note that the interactor known as Zeemax has posted your picture and a comment about your ``being too old to cocksuck``. Also note that Farzana Versey has posted a specious entry in which she blames this environment on female interactors like myself.


http://www.chowk.com/show_forum_topic_post_list.cgi?channel=&tid=00041954&start=10&end=19&page=2&chapter=1

#142 by neembu,

... and Dr. fawzia afzal-khan (with the famous hyphen which stands out like the feminist **** between some names), please note that neembu made ad-hominem remarks about my family first .... :)

Re: # 139

saminasha,

....... i think your expectations from men in general, and men on chowk in particular, are totally unrealistic ......... this is the grunt, scratch, burp and fart club with a few suicidal and homicidal jihadis thrown in - not exactly the place to hang out for men and women who use utensils to eat ...... if you check our hairy knuckles you will see the dirt from dragging them on the ground ......... i think you are confusing us with the sophisticated cavemen from geico ......... and no, sending us to the emily post institute will not do any good - it is too late for that ........... sorry for the disappointment