What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades

good narrative....the operation seems to be going on...or is it over?

``... burned down a women’s college next door ...?`` .. Oh, you mean the FG Girls school across the street which was vacated by rangers to be used as their sniping station.

Nevertheless, thanks for a good guided tour, Prof. Shamim, despite the nauseatingly arrogant tone.

.... or maybe she means the Ministry of environment .. don`t know which one.

But as I said in that other piece of garbage on the issue, Shamimists are not expected to know facts.

Please close down these horrible places of brainwashing the young. It is nauseating to see these young and masum children being turned into violent and hate filled demons by these mullahs.
Burn them down. I am glad Mush is doing the right thing now.

``(his brother, Maulana Abdul Aziz, the Head of Jamia Fareedia and the Lal Masjid, apparently never gives interviews to women)``

But has a fetish for dressing in a women clothes, carrying a womens hand bag including lip-stick.

What a clown.

Note my July 3 post

The CIA media outpost in Pakistan, GEO TV (you don`t fool me A-holes) has kicked in full gear, as it adds fuel to the fire that America has lit for the current dictator. Their coverage compared to others gave out their agenda clearly, grossly exaggerated, as if a ``war`` (their words) was going on, with multiple ``female student`` casualties- there were none. Not only that the Lal masjid crisis was preempted by the mosque people, so much time and effort spent by the CIA to manufacture this crisis cannot just lie dormant because it has become obvious to Musharraf who the players are who want him out, and he is scared as hell. Remember the role of this CIA outpost, GEO TV, when another recent ``manufactured crisis``, that of the CJ gained in momentum after police, only Allah knows who ordered them, broke into its Islamabad offices, while the cameras were conveniently buzzing.....go figure. Don`t these CIA A-holes realize that this has become old news now, I wouldn`t blame anyone who goes Hugo Chavez on their a$$.... What purpose does such coverage serve in Pakistan you ask, first as is obvious by GEO’s explicit rantings, that the government has lost control in Pakistan and Talibanization is taking hold in the capital city itself (something that Karzai and the Neocons have been selling to America), on the other hand it uses any bloodshed and casualties as the over handedness of the government, and adds to the already negative sentiments generated by the CJ manufactured crisis among the local population. Musharraf is a bas$$rd who has fallen out of favor with the US elite, his pants are on fire, he runs helter skelter, tries things all across the board but one crisis follows another because those who he is trying to go against, are firmly in charge of the dominant institutions of Pakistan, whether the uniform is his second skin or not, they are well versed in skinning rats they have nurtured in the past…

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Last night Geo managed to sneak a direct line side the mosque and mediate between the Mullah Ghazi and the Federal Minister. The coverage was quite one sided with GEO accusing the government of trying to deliberate bloodshed and the Mullah spewing banalities. What was interesting was how GEO was able to bully the government minister to accept the Media going inside the curfew zone to cover the alleged ``surrender`` as it is happening (or the ensuing bloodshed). THe Federal Minister said ok. Note that the so called ``free`` US media can never dare challenge any federal official let alone an ordinary police officer when an operation is in progress. They usually get pushed off the air or arrested...

Today, as the Mullah`s fingerprints are being scanned onto the hellfire that the US elite are aiming towards Musharraf`s a$$, there were shots fired towards the ``dictator that has fallen out of US favor``, as his plane was airborne. The Lal Masjid (manufactured) drama is a perfect pretext for the US elite not only to punish Musharraf for being too independent, among the local population, as they did with the CJ manufactured crisis (both designed to punish him) but also as a cover to finish off what they like doing with previously supported ``Third World`` dictators...after they`ve checked them for lice and mouth cavities....

Burka-mulla and pakistan

Burka-mulla is a true pakistan hero and there is nothing shameful about what he has done.Look at the option he had;

He could have come out as a digambar jain sadhoo, that is without any clothes which would have been against the islamic law of showing the willy
He could have come out dressed as a santa clause, that would be a haram of wearing the clothes of another religious idol
He could have come out wearing a dhoti, that would have been the clothes of indians, banned per TNT.

A man wearing a burkha is not banned in islam, and he did the right thing.

Courage and fighting to the end is not a Pakistani value, the great Niazi who surrendered 90,000 troops is hailed as the ``Tiger of Pakistan``. I recently met a new graduate officer of pak army and he said that Niazi`s heroism is still taught in the pak army schools.

In conclusion, he was a most courageous mulla in the true pak tradition, and he followed the islamic dictum right to the hand cuffs, For a very long time, the heriosm of the burka - mulla will told in the madrasa of pakistan, just like the Niazi story in the pak army schools.

long live the burka-mulla

Ballukhan writes <<< Please close down these horrible places of brainwashing the young. >>>

You need to be closed out of Chowk, the only nauseating thing here is your feigning being an ``Indian Muslim`` and then not losing any opportunity to attack Islam and generalize from the bad Muslim to the general population of Muslims and Islam. You are a fanatical RSS type- Hindu, who would butcher Muslims at will for no reason and yet feign concern and sincerity using your dimwit intellect and mentality.

#6 by masadi,

Dunno about US involvement re the Musharraf plane attack, but I do find this extremely curious. I mean ... Anti A/C guns mounted on a household rooftop?

Two anti-aircraft guns recovered from Rawalpindi house:

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Fawzia,

Why did you waste your time to go to the mulla for the interview. What ever he has said has been said a thousand times on the chowk by YLH and zeemax. How goos the taliban was, and how badly the west has treated muslims.

Any way, the taliban of the burka-mulla types have achieved their goals, now here is a first hand report of the YLH-zeemax views, fom the mulals mouth.

Thanks for teh wasted efforts, burka-mulla zindabad, as pakistanis would say .

Zeemax writes <<< Dunno about US involvement re the Musharraf plane attack, but I do find this extremely curious. I mean ... Anti A/C guns mounted on a household rooftop? >>>

US involvement means involvment by its occupation force in Pakistan, aka the Pakistan Army- both crisis were manufactured by it.

Denied safe passage, cleric wants `martyrdom`

Excerpt:

``We can be martyred, but we will not court arrest,`` Ghazi told Geo TV, hours after seeking terms.

``One boy, who surrendered himself after sneaking out of the fortified compound housing the mosque and a girls madrasa on Friday, said older students were forcing younger ones to stay.

``Food is running low and water is also limited,`` Ashraf Swati, 15, said, adding that there were several wounded students inside and the stench from dead bodies hung in the air.``

Pak army fighting the rag tag mullas for 3 days, anti aircraft guns in Islamabad roof tops, 4 hours of power supply in pakistans largest city, 3000 suicides a day due to poverty...wel..wel pakistanis are not cursing Jinnah. No human can be that stupid.

I completely agree with Gazi, quoted by Harish below, it is completely un-islamic what mushy is doing in invading the madrasa, it is in-human. I have for a long time argued that a jihadi seeks death as mush a normal human seeks life. A jihadi has opted for the jihadic heaven and after training he travels to far away places like Kashmir to seek the heaven. This struggle should be stopped, he should be shot at the madrasa graduation, on his way out to seek the heaven, delivering heaven at the madrasa door step.

Most of the students at the madrasa under siege have not completed their course, they are not fully prepared to go to heaven, and it is cruelty that mushy is shooting them, an act the UN should condemn.

Masadi,

I think that that you should be shut out from chowk as they have shut you out from the modern civilization. Your abusive Ad-Hominems are so glaring that even Al Zawahiri`s curses pales in comparison.
You are mouthing imbecilities like all those Al Qaeda apologists from Lal Masjid after realizing how your Ghazi has been humiliated and looks like a hijr@ in that burqa.

I think the lal masjid surrender is going to be one of the finest victories of a moderate Pakistani nation.

Long live Pakistan!!!

I`m really surprised to see to a contribution from Dr. Afzul-Khan on chowk.com and it is way past due.

Welcome!

Re: # 2

Zeemax Sahib,

You are miles out of your league. My suggestion is an all enveloping burqa because koi nahin aap ke kuch kareinghey ab. :)

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the public support in islamabad for this action against the terrorists of lal masjid is immense; i do feel for those children trapped inside and not being allowed to leave though. i hope the army now just wipes the hardcore terrorists inside out.

zeemax, until this action by mushy you were crowing for the past month or so about the activities of these terrorists including the Burkha Brigade and how times had changed etc. etc. and how a real islamic system was in place there blah blah blah...

not feeling so cocky now are you as your cowardly wahabi mullahs are being smoked?

way way too long... keep em short lady!

What Dr. Afzul-Khan pinpoints accurately are the extremely self serving and disturbing reasoning based on rigid dichotomies expressed by both the leadership of Lal Masjid and their female functionaries, instructors down to students. As illustrated by Ghazi Sahib and the Jamia Hafsa students` attempts at grappling with various political, religious and economic theory, these ideologies barely engage with these frameworks before giving up entirely and claiming that their interpretation of Islam is the answer. It is not enough to divide the world into ``Islamic`` and ``non Islamic``, and the labor of parsing these arbitrary categories does not serve their agendas. I would have appreciated Dr. Afzul-Khan`s questioning the fairly predictable patriarchical hierarchy-it seemed that the women and students of this institution were ready to fight a scholar who was not beholden to silly men like Ghazi Sahib while they themselves could not interrogate the orders delivered from on high. This is not an Islamic feminist moment in any real, substantial way-and that these women are able to avoid the struggles that al-Saadaawi, Dr. Amina Wadud, etc. face, tells us what kind of curricula is being taught at this institution.

zeemax

dude - you lost... your mullahs ran for their lives in burka, it was pathetic... but don`t lose heart, even if you lost this battle, you can still win the war... but the keep your burkha at hand, just in case... :)

The commentary on the state of economics in Pakistan by the women in compound seems to be what 99% of the Pakistanis would agree.

As for author`s point that data on suicides in pakistan has never been ``systematically collected by any agency, government or otherwise``, i suppose just because an agency never collected a data does not mean that suicides never occured. But this dismissive attitude on suicides in Pakistan does seem to highlight the author and her fellow elitists` arrogance. And besides, isnt it a sad commentary on government that it keeps no statistics on how many poverty stricken pakistanis commit suicides each month and how many poverty stricken pakistanis sell their internal organs to get out of debt?

Lastly, it is quite clear that author`s recording device was of substandard quality. Iqbal`s verse is not ``Kafir hai to shamshir pay karta hai takabbur`` - rather, its ``Kafir hai to shamshir pay karta hai bharosa``.

Re: # 25

``The commentary on the state of economics in Pakistan by the women in compound seems to be what 99% of the Pakistanis would agree...``

what research corroborates this claim?

Was the reporter just afraid to ask the most basic question regarding the genders in close proximity with each other? How is it possible to avoid such a basic question? With over 1,000 young female adults in crowded corridors along with sexually deprived males, there is bound to be some issues with sexual promiscuity. These mullahs have got it made with their brand of morality. Let us see how many of these children were sexually raped by the pedophiles amongst this lot.

#9 by zeemax on July 6, 2007 4:07am PT


but I do find this extremely curious.


More curious than the fact that the great warrior of islam cutting and running in a burkha with lipstick in his handbag...was it a prada handbag or a versace??!! with the US elite conspiracy, we`ll never know...

#27 by bubba on July 6, 2007 7:15am PT


With over 1,000 young female adults in crowded corridors along with sexually deprived males,



hmm...still not seeing the problem...unless the males in question have changed their sexual preferences recently....

neembu: congrats...you`re bilingual...incoherent in two languages..



My suggestion is an all enveloping burqa because koi nahin aap ke kuch kareinghey ab



are the extremely self serving and disturbing reasoning based on rigid dichotomies expressed

Re: # 30

Your ignore list:
arjun,atif

Why does a religious school needs guns?

Re: # 32 To protect their women of course!

#19 by neembu

Zeemax Sahib, You are miles out of your league. My suggestion is an all enveloping burqa because koi nahin aap ke kuch kareinghey ab. :)

Neembu BiBi, are you trying to say something in Urdu? I`ll have to get the other BiBi (Benazir) to translate it .... :)

#32 by mooli on July 6, 2007 7:39am PT

to make sure the recreational goats don`t run away?

Re: # 34

Why not ask Maulana Aziz?

Re: # 36

{Why not ask Maulana Aziz?}

Correction, you mean AUNTY AZIZ.

lol, it is funny to read posts from monkeys like zeemax, and masadi. Blame MUSHI for everything. After all the other genius ``Qazi Hussain Ahmed`` is doing the same thing. They will never ever say that this operation has been a great success for the government because jahils like ``Aunty Aziz`` are now done and so are ``her`` sewer rats. Some of the rats who are still free like zeemax and masadi will soon be gone too. They will scream and yell ``MUSHI DID IT - MUSHI DID IT`` before they dissappear into oblivion.....
Today I am PROUD to be a PAKISTANI and a MUSHARAF Supporter.

People blame that a-hole Zia (and rightfully so) for this mess but forget that BB and Nawaz ruled for 11 years and never did a thing against Lal Masjid. But of course lets blame Mushi.....lol

zeemax, philosopher and echo (?) ...

...... since you guys receive your welfare checks from her majesty`s government, you might want to be careful - your budding careers as aspiring cyber jihadis might be in jeopardy ........... the uk, and the rest of the civilized world, has had enough ..... as for the chicks with sticks and the younger male `students`, i really feel sorry for them and blame their parents for their predicament - the state should not allow them to return to their homes .........

LONDON, July 5: Three ‘cyber-jihadis’ who used the Internet to urge Muslims to wage holy war on non-believers were jailed for between six-and-a-half and 10 years on Thursday in the first case of its kind in Britain.

Tariq Al-Daour, Younes Tsouli and Waseem Mughal had close links with Al Qaeda in Iraq and thought there was a ‘global conspiracy’ to wipe out Islam, the Woolwich Crown Court in southeast London was told.

Moroccan-born Tsouli, 23, was jailed for 10 years; UAE-born Al-Daour, 21, received a six and half years sentence; and 24-year-old Mughal, who was born in Britain, was given seven and half years.

Sentencing them, Judge Charles Openshaw said the men had engaged in ‘cyber jihad’, encouraging others to kill ‘kuffars’ or non-believers.

#21 by Naqshbandi

...the public support in islamabad for this action against the terrorists of lal masjid is immense;

I don`t doubt that. So what`s your point? From responses in the media it is clear most of the country supports their demands though not their tactics.

... i do feel for those children trapped inside and not being allowed to leave though. i hope the army now just wipes the hardcore terrorists inside out...

Two children did leave today (despite your official-line parroting they`re not allowed to leave), and both were shot dead by the rangers.

zeemax, until this action by mushy you were crowing for the past month or so about the activities of these terrorists including the Burkha Brigade and how times had changed etc. etc. and how a real islamic system was in place there blah blah blah...

I don`t know where I said that. I have always said it is going to be in place. On UP I said there`ll be another (short-lived) attempt at a sham democracy and after that there`ll be an Islamic system ... however, now it is more likely to be Taliban style after this action.

...not feeling so cocky now are you as your cowardly wahabi mullahs are being smoked?

Again I don`t know what you`re talking about. If it is re Maulana Abdul-Aziz, you don`t know much about the Hafsa. You need to know its structure.

Abdul-Aziz was just the khateeb, though a fiery one, but never the main character (though he was painted to be so and the reason for your rejoicing).

Abdul-Rashid is not a Maulana (he has no religious credentials) but was basically assigned to handling the media plus administration plus negotiating duties because he`s University educated.

The mastermind and the ideological engine behind it all is Umme-Hassan, who is the charismatic and talented commander, organizer, and motivator of the Hafsa Brigade.

Both the latter along with over twelve hundred die-hard girl-students, some 300 armed fighters from outside, and about 200-250 orphan children with nowhere to go (altogether some 1900-2000 as per witnesses) are still right there after 4 days of confronting the Pakistan Army`s crack units, heavy firing/tear-gassing (now mortars as well) and refusing to surrender.

I would accept though that I had overestimated the immediate blow-back of such an action, but then the administration has wisely and very carefully calibrated its strategy in not storming outright (which many people including you still advocate in their foolishness in saying the likes of ``i hope the army now just wipes the hardcore terrorists inside out...``) which is to their credit.

Nevertheless, there has been a sudden spike in militant activity with a daily average of six servicemen dead and several more injured in attacks in various parts of the NWFP every single day since the first day, and a serious assassination attempt on Musharraf today.

But of-course, all the above incidents are unrelated :)

#36 by neembu,

But he speaks excellent Urdu ... your language is of the Bibi kind which neither of us understand :-(

Re: # 39

Hamid Mukhbar

yaar tu ne mera muttar nikaal dia hai......

yaar hamid......i have been contributing on many porn sites (text...lol) as well ....does it make me safe?....you see sometimes i oppose zeemax`s version of Islam and take side with tahmed32 ji.....man...plz tell me is it enough to save me?....fart...fart....fart....sorry..haanh...you know i am a student of philosophy and i am a bit skeptical about everything....I am the laziest man ever born...i cannot think of killing even a fly....I have publicly admitted that I drink.....is this quality enough to consider me moderate?......

sooo.....fartttttttttt.......farrrrtttttttttttttt......sooooooooooo....suuuuuuuuuu....farrrttttttt

hamid guide me plz....

Re: # 40

zeemax,

..... from the tone and tenor of your post you sound like maulana abul rashid ghazi (soon to be shaheed) ........... look, if it makes you feel any better, i for one, have not counted you guys out yet - your capacity to create mayhem might be diminished for now, but as long as you love death more than most people love life, you will be a force to reckon with ......... but true to form, you could not help blaming all this fitna on a woman !

...... also true to form, it seems that allah`s warriors are using human shields :

ISLAMABAD: Some people on Thursday complained that the Lal Masjid administration was not allowing their relatives who had gone inside the mosque premises to collect their children from coming out, while several students who surrendered said that armed guards kept them from leaving the mosque.

Mohibullah Khan from Dir told Daily Times that his nephew Azizur Rehman had gone inside the mosque to bring his sister Hajra, 12, but had not returned despite passing of several hours.

A group of Pashto-speaking men, all from remote areas of the NWFP, expressed similar complaints, saying they were waiting for their relatives who had gone inside the mosque to pick their children.

Many students, both boys and girls, who surrendered to authorities said they had been kept at the madrassa forcibly and militants had pressed them to sacrifice their lives by staying inside Lal Masjid till the end of the standoff.

#39 by hamidm2,

Yaar hamidm, how many times should I tell you. I`m not and never have been in favour of indiscriminately `targeting` civilians. Though I don`t mind 3,000 `little eichmanns` of collateral damage once in a while, particularly providing immortal images like two love-birds holding hands and jumping off the 90th floor and landing on the side-walk like eggs sunny-side up.

Nothing above suggests any shifts from my firm position of `who dunnit` :)

#43 by hamidm2,

Firstly, I greatly admire Umme-Hassan, and her behind the scenes assistant Hamsa Abdullah.

Secondly, do you mean they decided to let 1221 human shields (the official count so far and still trickling out, not including two shot dead outside this morning) go, but changed their minds now?

{Hum Jaanein lotaien gay
Islami Nizam laaien gay… }

Just like AUNTY AZIZ.

zeemax: I have some getaway outfit and transportation recommendations...the colors even match...


red purse



white car



blue burkha

#40 by zeemax on July 6, 2007 8:49am PT


Two children did leave today (despite your official-line parroting they`re not allowed to leave), and both were shot dead by the rangers.


allah`s army shooting allah`s chosen people?!!? oh the horror.....

Re: # 47

arjun.


........... sometimes you are funny !

Back in 2002 when American planes dropped daisy cutters on the stupid taliban, supporters of taliban kept on saying, this is just the begining, let the amerikee come down and fight like a real man. Well, we all know what happened next to the taliban and their supporters, many have switched sides and many more have perished. Inshallah, the same will happen again.

Re: # 45

zeemax,

..... are these the `children` you are tlaking about ?`` :

Troops launched an assault as a group of students tried to leave the complex. Two students were killed, bringing the death toll to 21.

The BBC`s Shoaib Hasan in Islamabad says a group of students tried to break out of the complex, sparking a co-ordinated assault on three sides by armoured personnel carriers and rangers.

Two students were killed in an exchange of fire and at least 10 wounded, four of them seriously.

#51 by hamidm2,

Yes these are the two I`m talking about, except that they were unarmed - there was no exchange of fire - and I don`t think if they had any other companions. They were aged 12 and 14. It seems they hadn`t taken-off their shirts as ordered, nor had their hands up.

The security personnel probably thought they were bombers. I don`t blame them.

Re: # 52

zeemax,

..... i wish i could feel sorry for these people, but based on the `death to the apostates and munafiqs` ideology that you so eloquently advocate on this forum, it is difficult to muster up a whole lot of sympathy .......... i doubt very much that if these people had the power, they would be as magnanimous towards their (and allah`s) enemies .........

#53 by hamidm2,

Of-course you wouldn`t have any sympathy for them. After all, it is either them or you :)

Zee..two innocent unarmed boys ..lost thier lives..n u dont blame the shooters..fair enuff...would u at least find it in ur heart to blame those those 2 basstardd brothers..who either knowingly or unknowingly played in the hands of this vile n vicious administartion all along? i dont need rhetoric..no more big talk about how the victory is about to come at the hands of umm-e-hassan or her saas..just have the decency to accept that these 2 morons were morons all along n u didnt recognize them. n if u cant even do that then maybe u r a moron 2.

Re: # 45

{Firstly, I greatly admire Umme-Hassan, and her behind the scenes assistant Hamsa Abdullah.}

Admiration for an individual responsible for atleast 16 deaths, misuse of her position as priniciple of an institution where parents sent their childeren for education, that is so you.

LoL ... just checked Echoboom`s #10.

But never mind minor typos Echo. Nothing to dwell upon. The woman is clearly an idiot.

``This is the feminazis` intro. on her profile page..please check soon before the secularoon/liberaloons don a burqua & try to fix it.

Dr. Fawzia Afzal-Khan is Professor fo English at Montclair State University and author of four books and numerous artciles. Also a trained vocalist in Indian Classical music, Often performs in NYC with her band, Neither East Nor West.

Can anyone spot the reasons why the westoxicated buffoons, the kavvas/kavvis dipped in slaked-lime, are zaleel everywhere..East or West?``

And this in a place of worship......

AAJ TV UPDATE: Terrorist are holding females and kids against their will. Reporter talked to one of the person who was able to escape out of MOSQUE told this. Reporter also talked to one of the parent who went into LAL MASJID to get his daughter. AS per father ``I and other fathers went into JAMIA HAFZA and loudly called the names of our daughters. We were unable to see any person but a loud voice asked us to leave the premises when we hesitated, someone from inside JAMIA HAFZA fired a gun and bullet hit one of the father in the leg, so we all left``

thank you chowk staff for publishing this, and thank you dr. fauzia for writing it

gives a great perspective on the mindset of these people

#55 by abu_safwaan,

...two innocent unarmed boys ..lost thier lives..n u dont blame the shooters..

No, because you don`t blame the enemy in a war. After all he`ll kill you if you don`t kill him first.

...would u at least find it in ur heart to blame those those 2 basstardd brothers..who either knowingly or unknowingly played in the hands of this vile n vicious administartion all along?

It is not my position that they were playing in anyone`s hands, so I can`t answer this question.

.just have the decency to accept that these 2 morons were morons all along n u didnt recognize them. n if u cant even do that then maybe u r a moron 2.

I don`t think they`re morons, so I have no choice but to accept in that case that I must be a moron too :)

#38 dude masadi is too complex 4 u understand - leave him outta this - zeemax the wannabe zeehadi otoh..

hassanmahmood writes <<< People blame that a-hole Zia (and rightfully so) for this mess but forget that BB and Nawaz ruled for 11 years and never did a thing against Lal Masjid. But of course lets blame Mushi.....lol >>>>

Like HP correctly noticed, what gives that these idiots post on here, are they retarded to show such amnesia about the global situation, or do they sloganeer just to support the current dictator? Was there a global ``war on terror`` going on when BB and Nawaz ruled to require the kinds of manipulations and adjustments that the `rat out of favor` and his nurturers (the US elite) are upto at the current time. Lal masjid was not on any `radar` during the rule of BB and Nawaz, a rule regardless of the blunders that was more legitimate than any military dictator taking over the country by force and doing the bidding of outsiders...

No big Einstein thought or complexity involved in my posts (which by the way are not blaming Musharraf for the Lal masjid crisis- but alas this idiot doesn`t know how to read, he is just sloganeering like he did in his earlier post by throwing out names BB, Nawaz in order to justify the latest coup in a series of coups by those he supports, rats, that are the occupation force of the Americans in Pakistan.

Let me summarize the basic framework: Nothing of significance can happen in Pakistan without the knowledge of, participation by the Pakistan Army, and nothing of significance can be done by this Army without the knowledge of/participation by the US elite- this is the basic framework well proven by empirical historical facts about Pakistan in its short history; use it to understand all happenings of a significant nature in Pakistan, deviate from it and you fool yourself...