Preventing More Lal Masjids

Re: # 707 echo dada

great example...great synopsis of the organismic nature of the ideological system.

Re: # 707 echo dada

great example...great synopsis of the organismic nature of the ideological system.

Re: # 708Masadi
((((You might be "for" it but Allah surely isn't. He is quite clear in the Quran: "let him who will believe, and let him who will disbelive".

If you, zee, echo or whoever invent lies against Allah, that itself is a crime similar to apostasy)))))

Masadi you know i am great admirer of your scholarship and your anti-colonialism approach.But one thing really surprises me about you and that is...that despite being a sociologist you sometimes seem to consider Islam an abstract moral philosophy not an all-inclusive ideological system. If you really thinks that Islam is an ideology than i don't see any need to tell you how an ideological system functions.

Can an ideological system function if you keep diluting it and recociling it with whatever ''emotively moral jargons'' you come across? Your stance on polygamy, apostasy...etc is just inexplicable. Doesn't it itself show the colonisation of mind? We don't have to be apologetic about Islam. I am not suggesting that we should accept unquestionably whatever Mullah impose on us but if something is indespensable part of the islamic ideological system or for that matter is necessary to regulate any ideological system we shouldn't be apologetic to accept that just because 'liberaloon' Muslims don't like Mullahs.

Re: # 708Masadi
((((You might be "for" it but Allah surely isn't. He is quite clear in the Quran: "let him who will believe, and let him who will disbelive".

If you, zee, echo or whoever invent lies against Allah, that itself is a crime similar to apostasy)))))

Masadi you know i am great admirer of your scholarship and your anti-colonialism approach.But one thing really surprises me about you and that is...that despite being a sociologist you sometimes seem to consider Islam an abstract moral philosophy not an all-inclusive ideological system. If you really thinks that Islam is an ideology than i don't see any need to tell you how an ideological system functions.

Can an ideological system function if you keep diluting it and recociling it with whatever ''emotively moral jargons'' you come across? Your stance on polygamy, apostasy...etc is just inexplicable. Doesn't it itself show the colonisation of mind? We don't have to be apologetic about Islam. I am not suggesting that we should accept unquestionably whatever Mullah impose on us but if something is indespensable part of the islamic ideological system or for that matter is necessary to regulate any ideological system we shouldn't be apologetic to accept that just because 'liberaloon' Muslims don't like Mullahs.

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#708 Posted by masadi,

Masadi Saheb, with due respect kindly focus on sociology which is your true forte. Qura'an certainly isn't, which fact was more than evident to everyone here when you were soundly defeated over 7:181, of which very existence you were not aware, let alone its meaning as conveyed by the Hadees' accompanying it, all of which I had reproduced.

So, kindly do not teach us who is an apostate, and who isn't.

Philosopher ji
If you keep on progressing like this then you will not remain philosopher. For being a philosopher, one needs to have unshackled mind not at all bonded by any dogma. Youngman, you are intelligent. It is better if you come up with new philosophical theory rather then letting yourself influenced and led by others. Try to preserve and develop your independent mind.
Best of Luck

The copy-paste under is from another blog to show you all that blood thirsty, provincial, bigots are not only found among those following the mullah brand of Islam, the CVI- Crusader Version of Islam, they are found among the real Crusaders (from whose image the Mullah has borrowed)

From the Yahoo News Blog, this A-Hole wrote

"For those of you who seem to be convinced in your thoughts that the United States, and our government is a killing nation, and that we are done or have been done with Iraq since may of 2003. Maybe each of you should move your asses out of the U.S. and become a Muslim follower over in Afghanistan. Those of you who sympathize with the people over there in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Move on over there with those you seem to have a stronger feeling for, instead of your country men, and those whom have lost their lives since September 11, 2001.
I say we nuke the shit out of them, why spend all of this money on the drones? $64 million for one of them, and how much does a nuke run for these days? furthermore, all those lives that have been lost of the men and women in uniform, I can see we didn't learn much from the Vietnam war/conflict. We have the nuclear bombs technology and warfare use them!"

Philosopher writes ".....Now I am for the merciless beheading of apostates and any `oon` who tries to dilute the message of Islam."

You might be "for" it but Allah surely isn't. He is quite clear in the Quran: "let him who will believe, and let him who will disbelive".

If you, zee, echo or whoever invent lies against Allah, that itself is a crime similar to apostasy

#697: Philosopher sahib,

It was indeed very heartening to know about your change of heart in these crucial matters.

One cannot stay in a condominium complex, where one has agreed to keep no pets, and insist upon keeping rattle-snakes & try to "interpret" the meaning of the word "pet". Of-course, the bye-law book cannot each & every creature on earth already known to man or would be known in future.

Certain by-laws do get changed & "reformed" by shoora ( consultation) of Directors..but the very basic ROOT ones , if tampered with, would make the very concept of condo. Apartment absurt...e.g: someone would want to have all apartment dwellers, if need be, allowed to sleep in the hallways or a prostitute resident is within her right to solicit in the lobby etc etc and strut about in skimpy & suggestive and "inviting" clothing.

Without a doubt the Lal Masjid leadership were taking the law into their own hands and openly challenging civil authorities. I can't understand why the government waited so long to act' they could have cordoned off the area and slowly forced the leadership into submission by denying food , electricity and supplies. There was no need for this operation at this time. I think that the Lal Masjid folks were actually encouraged initially by the dictatorship to send a message to the world community and diplomats in Islamabad. It was Musharraf's way of saying " if not for me look what will happen here in Pakistan" No body believes him of course but how could this happen in Islamabad unless Musharraf and the present leadership are even more incompetent than people already think they are. Another thing and this is the main problem. Musharraf himself has no regard for the laws and consitution of Pakistan- otherwise he would not have illegally seized power and turned the country into a dictsatorship. It's beacuse Musharraf and the army brass doen't follow laws or the consitution that others feel they too can break laws. This is why we msut return to a functioning democracy with rule of law! Pakistan zindabad!

#697 by philosopher on July 15, 2007 3:01pm PT


Now I am for the merciless beheading of apostates and any `oon` who tries to dilute the message of Islam.


Your eagerness is limited by your ability..or the lack thereof...

thinks people who insult mo must die?



Mohammed and his child-bride Aisha.

#700 Phil-suffer

Yaar relax! Nobody is gonna drink ya!

#700 by philosopher

Spoken like a true Islamic philosopher. Now go chase a 6-year old for some Islamic lovin`.

:)

Re: # 674 by FarzanaVersey on July 15, 2007 7:18am PT

[But someone else has offered to pay...``Farzana, I am ready to pay for your expenses to ......and set up the trust to run this school and build more such schools.``

Giving me instructions sitting in Silicon Valley...

Re. liberals...my post 144 talks of ``vocational liberalism``. You know, collect funds for Hillary Clinton types... ]

Thank you , Ferzana, for hitting where it should hurt.

Re: # 666

Farzana:

1. What is wrong if you want to make a donation to an institution? Donation of your time would be very useful to this institution that I had mentioned.

2. Zhanda utha ke.... patli galli se... This to me is truly amazing, and you may quote me on this too. I talked about the work of this institution, my mother and my sisters. I have not mentioned anything about myself or my work. Once again, if you choose to donate your time, that would be indeed wonderful. If the religious component is taken, you might find a similarity in this institute and Jamia Hafsa, both near the seat of power in the capital and imparting education to poor kids. I am quite proud of this work, and will never do Zhanda utah ke.... patli galli se....

3. Please read one more time what you quoted as instructions from Silicon Valley, you may not find it as instructions.

4. You could accuse me of cheap publicity when I mentioned the Sonia Gandhi`s driver`s kid, but can you honestly take away the credit from the kids who achieved what they did? Knowing you, I am certain you would not do it. Institutions often promote the awareness of successes of its students. I do not see anything wrong either in it, or in when you mentioned or wrote about your admirable work with poor, prostitues and others.

5. It seems to me that you really like labeling people into categories, and get upset when someone implies you are an activist. Like you, I also do not like being labeled libral, I have not seen here, many liberals supporting Jamia Hafsa girls.

6. Please try to see the connection that I am making between my question to Hodhbhoy and work at individual level. I can certainly explain more, if that would be necessary. Also, it was not for Hillary Clinton, that was John Kerry. Like it or not, fund raising is crucial not only for the democratic process.

6. I, of course, will vote for Hillary, and would vote for you too. I would not vote for Pratibha Patil for President. I can hardly be patronizing, but I do believe more women must be engaged at all levels, starting at empowering young girls with education everywhere.

7. Not every game is cat and mouse, that you must catch so called ``level headed`` get away, whatever you mean by that, even if it was were a compliment or sarcasm. Many people indeed know limited ways of doing thing. Just as possibly you must see every situation as cat and mouse that there must be a gotcha in eveything. May be investigative journalism has given you a sixth sense to see all situations this way. There is a thing called role model also, that might get missed when everything is looked from cat and mouse perspective.

I am done with thread. I do want to leave it that I do admire the work you have done and do. I am looking forward to reading your book. As I know you through your writings, you raise the bar for the majority, which may be necessary to keep a balance in socities. Therefore, I certainly look forward to your perspective of Pakistan where muslims are certainly in majority.