Pervez Hoodbhoy July 10, 2007
#956 Posted by echoboom on July 19, 2007 12:47:43 pm
SECULARO! mard-i-mujaahid sey naa Uuljhho..DaikhO!
Haath mazloom kaa shamsheer tak aa pohnchaa hai
The"elite", the good-life-charlies' time has come. These were the Haraamis who either co-operated with the British or were upset at the Freedom fighters for disturbing their hollowed-our, termite-eaten, aristocracy.
No wonder we are ruled by Uniformed Kuttaaas and un-informed
burRvayCats.
A revolution is an eartquake, it turns things upside down. The servants son shall be your master and your son will polish his shoes. The Ba Ba Blacksheep must be shorn of their wool and for a change must know what winters are like. The toataa-mainaas must be let out of their air-conditioned suites & trained anew to make do with crumbs.
Every servant farmer labourer must be encouraged to turn on against their westoxicated huDD-haraam corrupt masters.
"Sultaani-e-Jamhoor kaa aataa hai zamaana
Jo naqsh-i-kuh'n tuum ko nazar aaey..mitaa doa!".
............................................ ALLAMA Iqbal
tr:
The time when People themselves shall rule..has come
Wherever you see any sign of the old-order..erase it!
Haath mazloom kaa shamsheer tak aa pohnchaa hai
The"elite", the good-life-charlies' time has come. These were the Haraamis who either co-operated with the British or were upset at the Freedom fighters for disturbing their hollowed-our, termite-eaten, aristocracy.
No wonder we are ruled by Uniformed Kuttaaas and un-informed
burRvayCats.
A revolution is an eartquake, it turns things upside down. The servants son shall be your master and your son will polish his shoes. The Ba Ba Blacksheep must be shorn of their wool and for a change must know what winters are like. The toataa-mainaas must be let out of their air-conditioned suites & trained anew to make do with crumbs.
Every servant farmer labourer must be encouraged to turn on against their westoxicated huDD-haraam corrupt masters.
"Sultaani-e-Jamhoor kaa aataa hai zamaana
Jo naqsh-i-kuh'n tuum ko nazar aaey..mitaa doa!".
............................................ ALLAMA Iqbal
tr:
The time when People themselves shall rule..has come
Wherever you see any sign of the old-order..erase it!
#955 Posted by Urstruly on July 19, 2007 12:03:58 pm
Re: # 954
It is horrible that Na-Pak fouj's personnel all over Pakistan had been ordered not to wear uniform in public. It also seems like a separate force will be required to protect police from people now. I think these madarchod munafiq intellectuals did not learn any leasson from Iraq where ordinary people of Iraq have made monkeys out of the collosal war machinery of the West; same thing in Afghanistan. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking when they carried out the school masacre in Islamabad. How did they contemplate that the results would be any different from Iraq and Afghanistan.
It is horrible that Na-Pak fouj's personnel all over Pakistan had been ordered not to wear uniform in public. It also seems like a separate force will be required to protect police from people now. I think these madarchod munafiq intellectuals did not learn any leasson from Iraq where ordinary people of Iraq have made monkeys out of the collosal war machinery of the West; same thing in Afghanistan. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking when they carried out the school masacre in Islamabad. How did they contemplate that the results would be any different from Iraq and Afghanistan.
#954 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 11:23:30 am
The Fedayeen march is on towards settled areas. Those bastards and westoxicated intellectuals who didn't believe me when I said if they touch a single burqa-clad, they will be slaughtered. In the end these bastards ended up killing over a thousand of them.
Now, they will not spare ANYONE who supported that action.
Now, they will not spare ANYONE who supported that action.
#953 Posted by jang on July 19, 2007 11:14:06 am
#952 ok...let me rephrase. so if you idolate, but otherwise lead a fruitful life, maybe hold a day-job, and invent cure for cancer, then what is bad? also, is belief in god also wrong? if an idol is not "truth" what about the god guy? then offcourse there are all the beliefs in messages etc..is believing in them also unnatural?
#952 Posted by masadi on July 19, 2007 10:50:19 am
Jang writes "masadi,
can you esplane what is so wrong with idolatory? "
Yes I can explain it, it is an outrage against truth and fact. If you do not align yourself with the fact and the truth out there, your entire life is spent chasing a lie, your development is stunted, in other words your lifestyle is unnatural
Zeemax "power grab"
It does not reflect too well on the community of believers if dissent on the control of a community results moments after the death of the messenger so much that his final rites were not even completed. If that is what happened it sure could have been handled better by the "elders". It is far from the "best example" you were presenting it as...
can you esplane what is so wrong with idolatory? "
Yes I can explain it, it is an outrage against truth and fact. If you do not align yourself with the fact and the truth out there, your entire life is spent chasing a lie, your development is stunted, in other words your lifestyle is unnatural
Zeemax "power grab"
It does not reflect too well on the community of believers if dissent on the control of a community results moments after the death of the messenger so much that his final rites were not even completed. If that is what happened it sure could have been handled better by the "elders". It is far from the "best example" you were presenting it as...
#951 Posted by echoboom on July 19, 2007 8:49:54 am
MaashaAllah!
Time to drag the Ata-SECULARROON out of his slumber & do a Mussolini on him. The bastard freemason, enemy of scholars of Islam: the mullahs, Muslims & Islam.
This could not be more timely for Pakistan. The Koochak-i-SECULAROON , the Parvaaz-i Murtaddon, will InshaAllah, soon die, what else, a dogs death.
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Turkish ruling party looks set for big election win
Thu 19 Jul 2007, 13:56 GMT
By Paul de Bendern
ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey's ruling Islamist-rooted AK Party looks on course to win enough votes on Sunday to govern alone again in an election that has divided the country over religion's role in a secular state.
An opinion poll published on Thursday showed them winning 42.6 percent and only two other parties entering parliament -- the main opposition centre-left Republican People's Party with 17.3 percent and the far-right Nationalist Movement Party on 12.5 percent.
"It's clear sailing. Even (Prime Minister Tayyip) Erdogan has gone out on a limb saying he'll resign if his party doesn't return as a single-party government," Semih Idiz, a leading Turkish commentator, told Reuters.
Turkish stocks and bond prices rose and the lira firmed after the survey by the Konda polling agency and two other polls reinforced expectations the AK Party was set for another landslide victory.
Investors like the party's free-market policies but fear too large a majority could reignite tensions with the secularists, including a powerful army suspicious of AK Party intentions.
The armed forces have removed four governments in the past 50 years, including an Islamist government as recently as 1997.
A divided Turkey now faces a choice -- the pro-business centre-right AK Party with a background in political Islam, or its opponents determined to keep decades-old secular principles.
Earlier this year during a crisis over the presidential election the military pledged to intervene in politics if Turkey's secular principles were threatened. A series of mass anti-AK Party rallies also increased tensions.
The Konda survey gave the AK Party a share of the vote several percentage points higher than in 2002, though due to a more unified opposition this would give them 310 to 340 seats in the 550-member parliament -- down from 352 now.
PRESIDENT ROW
Most recent polls show the same three parties clearing the 10 percent national threshold for winning seats in parliament. Up to 35 independents, mostly pro-Kurdish candidates, are also likely to enter the new parliament, the latest poll said.
Erdogan's AK Party has presided over nearly five years of strong economic growth, falling inflation and the historic launch of now floundering European Union membership talks.
His party is seeking to portray itself as moderate and centrist, but is deeply distrusted by the elite, including powerful army generals and top judges, for its Islamist roots and efforts to ease restrictions on Islam such as a ban on women wearing headscarves at universities and state institutions.
Erdogan was forced to call the parliamentary election months early after a clash with the secular elite over his party's choice of presidential candidate, Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul, like him an ex-Islamist and whose wife also wears a headscarf.
The AK Party still prefers Gul as the next president.
Critically for the secularists -- and for financial markets closely watching the election -- the latest poll shows the AK Party still falling short of a two-thirds majority needed to impose its own presidential candidate or alter the constitution.
Analysts expect renewed political tensions when parliament reconvenes to appoint a new president. The president carries great symbolic weight in Turkey because the post was first held by the founder of the republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
Outgoing secularist President Ahmet Necdet Sezer has been a fierce critic of Erdogan and frequently blocked legislation.
The opposition accuses the ruling party of seeking to turn Turkey into an Iranian-style system, a charge it denies. However, many AK Party supporters hope a second term will bring reforms to make life easier for devout Muslim Turks.
"If they get around 40 percent then it will be a validation of sorts, especially after millions took to the streets to protest in defence of secularism and against the AK Party, and the opposition didn't get into power," said commentator Idiz.
(Additional reporting by Gareth Jones in Ankara)
Time to drag the Ata-SECULARROON out of his slumber & do a Mussolini on him. The bastard freemason, enemy of scholars of Islam: the mullahs, Muslims & Islam.
This could not be more timely for Pakistan. The Koochak-i-SECULAROON , the Parvaaz-i Murtaddon, will InshaAllah, soon die, what else, a dogs death.
___________________________________________________________
Turkish ruling party looks set for big election win
Thu 19 Jul 2007, 13:56 GMT
By Paul de Bendern
ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey's ruling Islamist-rooted AK Party looks on course to win enough votes on Sunday to govern alone again in an election that has divided the country over religion's role in a secular state.
An opinion poll published on Thursday showed them winning 42.6 percent and only two other parties entering parliament -- the main opposition centre-left Republican People's Party with 17.3 percent and the far-right Nationalist Movement Party on 12.5 percent.
"It's clear sailing. Even (Prime Minister Tayyip) Erdogan has gone out on a limb saying he'll resign if his party doesn't return as a single-party government," Semih Idiz, a leading Turkish commentator, told Reuters.
Turkish stocks and bond prices rose and the lira firmed after the survey by the Konda polling agency and two other polls reinforced expectations the AK Party was set for another landslide victory.
Investors like the party's free-market policies but fear too large a majority could reignite tensions with the secularists, including a powerful army suspicious of AK Party intentions.
The armed forces have removed four governments in the past 50 years, including an Islamist government as recently as 1997.
A divided Turkey now faces a choice -- the pro-business centre-right AK Party with a background in political Islam, or its opponents determined to keep decades-old secular principles.
Earlier this year during a crisis over the presidential election the military pledged to intervene in politics if Turkey's secular principles were threatened. A series of mass anti-AK Party rallies also increased tensions.
The Konda survey gave the AK Party a share of the vote several percentage points higher than in 2002, though due to a more unified opposition this would give them 310 to 340 seats in the 550-member parliament -- down from 352 now.
PRESIDENT ROW
Most recent polls show the same three parties clearing the 10 percent national threshold for winning seats in parliament. Up to 35 independents, mostly pro-Kurdish candidates, are also likely to enter the new parliament, the latest poll said.
Erdogan's AK Party has presided over nearly five years of strong economic growth, falling inflation and the historic launch of now floundering European Union membership talks.
His party is seeking to portray itself as moderate and centrist, but is deeply distrusted by the elite, including powerful army generals and top judges, for its Islamist roots and efforts to ease restrictions on Islam such as a ban on women wearing headscarves at universities and state institutions.
Erdogan was forced to call the parliamentary election months early after a clash with the secular elite over his party's choice of presidential candidate, Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul, like him an ex-Islamist and whose wife also wears a headscarf.
The AK Party still prefers Gul as the next president.
Critically for the secularists -- and for financial markets closely watching the election -- the latest poll shows the AK Party still falling short of a two-thirds majority needed to impose its own presidential candidate or alter the constitution.
Analysts expect renewed political tensions when parliament reconvenes to appoint a new president. The president carries great symbolic weight in Turkey because the post was first held by the founder of the republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
Outgoing secularist President Ahmet Necdet Sezer has been a fierce critic of Erdogan and frequently blocked legislation.
The opposition accuses the ruling party of seeking to turn Turkey into an Iranian-style system, a charge it denies. However, many AK Party supporters hope a second term will bring reforms to make life easier for devout Muslim Turks.
"If they get around 40 percent then it will be a validation of sorts, especially after millions took to the streets to protest in defence of secularism and against the AK Party, and the opposition didn't get into power," said commentator Idiz.
(Additional reporting by Gareth Jones in Ankara)
#950 Posted by jang on July 19, 2007 8:48:17 am
masadi,
can you esplane what is so wrong with idolatory? and if the massage and the massager were both so important, why did lal masjidis become upset with the chinese massager? does it have something to do with the final massage concept that the chinese massager were abducted?
can you esplane what is so wrong with idolatory? and if the massage and the massager were both so important, why did lal masjidis become upset with the chinese massager? does it have something to do with the final massage concept that the chinese massager were abducted?
#949 Posted by echoboom on July 19, 2007 7:49:28 am
Khaak-i-beemar:
Even if grammatically you were wrong , still saqam means anomaly in arabic...there is no connection or sense.
In farsi grammar this anomaly is called shut'r-gurba ( combining two words of different languages & creating confusion)
Even if grammatically you were wrong , still saqam means anomaly in arabic...there is no connection or sense.
In farsi grammar this anomaly is called shut'r-gurba ( combining two words of different languages & creating confusion)
#948 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 19, 2007 6:59:08 am
I was going the Arabic way. khaak e Beemari was such a travesty. I had to. I'd expected the torch bearer of mashriqiyat (whatever that means) on here, to know the civilized way of cussing out. What's that verse on Allah putting a seal on hearts and minds of the ones He Willed to go astray from the True path. Now, that's a killer. A real one.
#947 Posted by echoboom on July 19, 2007 6:41:26 am
946:Khaak-i-beemaar
..."I figure, someone should get...."
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that "someone" word should get you off the hook...Haaa Haaa Haa
1. KhAAK AND SAQAM cannot be joined as a tarkeeb
2. Saqam does not even come close in meaning to what you are implying.
3. I checked the farhanG already
unless of course you do have an insider :)))...I'm never too old to learn.
..."I figure, someone should get...."
_________________________________________________________
that "someone" word should get you off the hook...Haaa Haaa Haa
1. KhAAK AND SAQAM cannot be joined as a tarkeeb
2. Saqam does not even come close in meaning to what you are implying.
3. I checked the farhanG already
unless of course you do have an insider :)))...I'm never too old to learn.
#946 Posted by Raw_Dust on July 19, 2007 6:23:50 am
echoboom: "khaak e beemari" hahaha. Hazrat, that would be khaak-e-saqam to khaak-e-shifa in Urdu proper. I figure, someone should get into a Taleem-e-BaalighaaN/Adult Ed. for an Urdu-e-Mua'lla program at a nearby Madrassah or maybe it's too already late for that. I dunno.
#945 Posted by Chennai on July 19, 2007 6:04:45 am
#944 Posted by arjun2
It looks like Land of the Pure is getting ready for the final purification rites....Courtesy Uncle Sam who has pumped in 5 Billion $ and wants results..now..
It looks like Land of the Pure is getting ready for the final purification rites....Courtesy Uncle Sam who has pumped in 5 Billion $ and wants results..now..
#944 Posted by arjun2 on July 19, 2007 4:33:58 am
what's going in in the land of allah's chosen people? 36 dead in a suicide bombing...America getting ready to clean up the jihadi rathole all by itself..
#943 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 2:05:22 am
#941 Posted by masadi,
...which in this case happens to be a "power grab".
What power grab? There would just have been TWO powers instead of one if the matter had gone unattended. One of Quraish and the other of Ansaars, and TWO Caliphs, one of each. Everyone would have gone home happy.
It was to prevent a split, and not to grab any power because each already had their own power.
...which in this case happens to be a "power grab".
What power grab? There would just have been TWO powers instead of one if the matter had gone unattended. One of Quraish and the other of Ansaars, and TWO Caliphs, one of each. Everyone would have gone home happy.
It was to prevent a split, and not to grab any power because each already had their own power.
#942 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 1:59:23 am
#941#935 Posted by masadi,
Yaar masadi bhai, aap ki baat smajh sey bahar hai.
Mian, the 'message' had been completed. The 'messenger' was dead. Nothing more was to descend via him. It was vital at that time to preserve the 'completed' message and not have dissention in the ranks. Therefore they delayed the burial and attended to fire-fighting instead. Read the complete account/speeches of that particular incident.
Beher haal ..
(P.S. Thanks for adding 'fool' to the various acronyms you have blessed me with ... :)
Yaar masadi bhai, aap ki baat smajh sey bahar hai.
Mian, the 'message' had been completed. The 'messenger' was dead. Nothing more was to descend via him. It was vital at that time to preserve the 'completed' message and not have dissention in the ranks. Therefore they delayed the burial and attended to fire-fighting instead. Read the complete account/speeches of that particular incident.
Beher haal ..
(P.S. Thanks for adding 'fool' to the various acronyms you have blessed me with ... :)
#941 Posted by masadi on July 19, 2007 1:36:23 am
PM, I was talking about GEO, why I think that it is the CIA medial outpost in Pakistan is listed in previous interacts.
Regarding idolatory, anyone who associates another with Allah is an idolator. If you consider the words of humans to be of greater authority than the words of Allah, you're an idolator. Regarding the messenger, I didn't say the message is the messenger, the Book can be a messenger but the messenger is the one who conveys the message. The prophet was dead, according to that discription, but leaving the dead body as it was and rushing out to other tasks amounts to rushing out and neglecting the prophet at that moment, i.e not seeking his leave. Consider how it would appear if your father had died was lying out in the open ready for burial and you run off to tend to other works, which in this case happens to be a "power grab".
Regarding idolatory, anyone who associates another with Allah is an idolator. If you consider the words of humans to be of greater authority than the words of Allah, you're an idolator. Regarding the messenger, I didn't say the message is the messenger, the Book can be a messenger but the messenger is the one who conveys the message. The prophet was dead, according to that discription, but leaving the dead body as it was and rushing out to other tasks amounts to rushing out and neglecting the prophet at that moment, i.e not seeking his leave. Consider how it would appear if your father had died was lying out in the open ready for burial and you run off to tend to other works, which in this case happens to be a "power grab".








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