Pervez Hoodbhoy July 10, 2007
#988 Posted by muqaddam on July 22, 2007 5:54:51 am
#956
Are we looking at a communist revolution a-la-Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917?
Are we looking at a communist revolution a-la-Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917?
#987 Posted by krishna_abcd on July 21, 2007 2:48:34 pm
#979 Posted by KaalChakra
[It seems that the world is (almost) always fully just: we are totally just to others, and others are totally unjust to us. Why mess with this perfection?
:)]
This is music to the ears of the "liberals" - the JNU types and the Islamic apologists - It's 50-50 down the middle. It's eveybody's fault, everybody is
equally to blame.
Here's a dialogue between me and a Islamic Apologist (therefore intellectual) Indian :
Islamic Apologist: Everybody is equally just. Everybody shares the blame equally. Every ideology is equally good/bad. Naziism, Communism,
Fasciism, Non-violence, Shintoism, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam etc. - all are equally bad or good. Everybody is equally to
blame...
Me: Oh really... Okay.... So let's see....
India - Hindus' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Thailand - Buddhists' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
China - Chinese govt's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Australia - Australian's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
UK - Britishers' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
USA - American's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Russia - Russians' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Yugoslavia - Christians' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Spain - Spanish people's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Israel - Jews' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Iran - Non-Muslims' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
France - French people's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Netherlands - DUtch people's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Germany - Germans' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Islamic Apologist: In any case, the only reason Muslims are the common denominator is because of the Mullahs - a recent phenomenon. But in the past,
starting from Muhammad's time, everything was VERY peaceful. You see, Islam is a religion of peace.
Me: A RECENT phenomenon? Can you give me a period of time in Islamic history starting from muhammad's time when there was any peace?
Islamic Apologist: Oh, that was because of the treacherous non-believers. They needed to be defeated, so some violence was necessary, and justified,
and sanctioned by Allah.
Me: Ah. I see, that's why this violence has never stopped. Because there are still treacherous non-believers left.
Islamic Apologist: Exactly!
Me: So why is this "necessary" violence any different from that of Hitler, Stalin etc.
Islamic Apologist: Ah! That's because Hitler, Stalin were not Allah's messengers.... That was an easy one...
Me: And WHO says that muhammad was an Allah's messenger?
Islamic Apologist: Oh, it's obvious from the message....
Me: Exactly WHICH part of which message in the Koran makes you think this way?
Islamic Apologist: Let's not get into specifics here. You sound like a hater....
Me: But that was just a simple question....
Islamic Apologist: Why are you such a HATER? How about YOUR religion? Rat-worshipper! Idolator! Pagan!
Me: Okay so I am a hater. But how about the question? Can I get an answer?
Islamic Apologist: Hater! Intolerant! Modi-follower! RSS suicide bomber! VHP member! Cow-piss drinker! Idolator!
Me: Ummm...okay...bye...
[It seems that the world is (almost) always fully just: we are totally just to others, and others are totally unjust to us. Why mess with this perfection?
:)]
This is music to the ears of the "liberals" - the JNU types and the Islamic apologists - It's 50-50 down the middle. It's eveybody's fault, everybody is
equally to blame.
Here's a dialogue between me and a Islamic Apologist (therefore intellectual) Indian :
Islamic Apologist: Everybody is equally just. Everybody shares the blame equally. Every ideology is equally good/bad. Naziism, Communism,
Fasciism, Non-violence, Shintoism, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam etc. - all are equally bad or good. Everybody is equally to
blame...
Me: Oh really... Okay.... So let's see....
India - Hindus' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Thailand - Buddhists' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
China - Chinese govt's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Australia - Australian's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
UK - Britishers' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
USA - American's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Russia - Russians' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Yugoslavia - Christians' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Spain - Spanish people's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Israel - Jews' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Iran - Non-Muslims' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
France - French people's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Netherlands - DUtch people's blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Germany - Germans' blame - 50%
Muslims' blame - 50%
Islamic Apologist: In any case, the only reason Muslims are the common denominator is because of the Mullahs - a recent phenomenon. But in the past,
starting from Muhammad's time, everything was VERY peaceful. You see, Islam is a religion of peace.
Me: A RECENT phenomenon? Can you give me a period of time in Islamic history starting from muhammad's time when there was any peace?
Islamic Apologist: Oh, that was because of the treacherous non-believers. They needed to be defeated, so some violence was necessary, and justified,
and sanctioned by Allah.
Me: Ah. I see, that's why this violence has never stopped. Because there are still treacherous non-believers left.
Islamic Apologist: Exactly!
Me: So why is this "necessary" violence any different from that of Hitler, Stalin etc.
Islamic Apologist: Ah! That's because Hitler, Stalin were not Allah's messengers.... That was an easy one...
Me: And WHO says that muhammad was an Allah's messenger?
Islamic Apologist: Oh, it's obvious from the message....
Me: Exactly WHICH part of which message in the Koran makes you think this way?
Islamic Apologist: Let's not get into specifics here. You sound like a hater....
Me: But that was just a simple question....
Islamic Apologist: Why are you such a HATER? How about YOUR religion? Rat-worshipper! Idolator! Pagan!
Me: Okay so I am a hater. But how about the question? Can I get an answer?
Islamic Apologist: Hater! Intolerant! Modi-follower! RSS suicide bomber! VHP member! Cow-piss drinker! Idolator!
Me: Ummm...okay...bye...
#986 Posted by foggy1 on July 21, 2007 9:20:39 am
what is the use of following events developing,with eyes wide open and brain fully geared to be able to arrive at a prognosis.and yet the end seems shocking.are we in a state of calculated denial.is there any room for mild and lenient thought?and hope. do you have any scientific methodology to guide and nip the horrific in the bud before it is too late? like it was recently qed
#984 Posted by philosopher on July 20, 2007 2:17:12 pm
Dedicated to CJ
UNhi ke faiz say bazara-i-aqal roushan hai
Jo gaahay ba gaahay janoon ikhtiaar kartay hain
UNhi ke faiz say bazara-i-aqal roushan hai
Jo gaahay ba gaahay janoon ikhtiaar kartay hain
#983 Posted by masadi on July 20, 2007 10:33:47 am
#981, tahmed, peon of the West, whether I "fetch samosas" according to your dimwit mentality, or "drive a cab in nyc", according to your friend Hamid, the fact is that I outsmart both you a-holes on Chowk, that is all the recognition I seek for the time being....
#981 Posted by tahmed32 on July 20, 2007 10:23:55 am
#980 masadi: you write "I had predicted long before..."
You are so extremely smart!! Too bad the world does not recognize you genius, and has you running fetching samosas and tea for staff in Govt College, Mian Channu.
You are so extremely smart!! Too bad the world does not recognize you genius, and has you running fetching samosas and tea for staff in Govt College, Mian Channu.
#980 Posted by masadi on July 20, 2007 10:16:15 am
I had predicted long before today's decision restoring the CJ to his office, that this crisis, manufactured by the Americans, using the Pakistan Army in order to punish Musharraf, will lead to its logical end, i.e. a decision against Musharraf. The fools among the people will say that this is a historic moment for Pakistan, something is changing and the Army is losing its authority. Wrong answer, and utopian dreams. The Army is still in charge, Musharraf is losing authority (two different things), because he has lost American support (the main difference between the two).
Don't interpret me wrong. I am not for Musharraf, the sob will get what he deserves soon but these adjustments by the Americans only harm Pakistan and Pakistanis and do not benefit it. The same judiciary that has before always legitimized military rule in Pakistan, cannot change overnight because a CJ took some meds that enhanced the size of his b****. No that is not the case, without military backing this crisis wasn't possible, without military backing this decision was not possible. Now the poor bas**** Musharraf, like I said earlier is running helter skelter like a trapped mouse, one crisis after another. America is leaving no options open for him except for his resignation and a quick sub lease of the Mian's summer home in Saudi Arabia, or a hellfire, with the finger prints of a Mullah, aimed right for his a$$. He knows it, he is scared but he is also stupid, he thinks that somehow he will manage to escape from it all, keep the uniform and keep the presidency and redevelop his relationship with the Americans.....wont happen...
Don't interpret me wrong. I am not for Musharraf, the sob will get what he deserves soon but these adjustments by the Americans only harm Pakistan and Pakistanis and do not benefit it. The same judiciary that has before always legitimized military rule in Pakistan, cannot change overnight because a CJ took some meds that enhanced the size of his b****. No that is not the case, without military backing this crisis wasn't possible, without military backing this decision was not possible. Now the poor bas**** Musharraf, like I said earlier is running helter skelter like a trapped mouse, one crisis after another. America is leaving no options open for him except for his resignation and a quick sub lease of the Mian's summer home in Saudi Arabia, or a hellfire, with the finger prints of a Mullah, aimed right for his a$$. He knows it, he is scared but he is also stupid, he thinks that somehow he will manage to escape from it all, keep the uniform and keep the presidency and redevelop his relationship with the Americans.....wont happen...
#979 Posted by KaalChakra on July 20, 2007 10:00:41 am
tahmedji and Dash_Dot
It seems that the world is (almost) always fully just: we are totally just to others, and others are totally unjust to us. Why mess with this perfection? :)
It seems that the world is (almost) always fully just: we are totally just to others, and others are totally unjust to us. Why mess with this perfection? :)
#978 Posted by tahmed32 on July 20, 2007 6:53:59 am
Dash_Dot: Maybe your stop watch is on Arab Standard Time. :-)
But agreed - chowk staff has I think done more harm than good with this format change. What is the point of having a south asian website if only people with broadband connections in the west can access it without undue wait!!
But agreed - chowk staff has I think done more harm than good with this format change. What is the point of having a south asian website if only people with broadband connections in the west can access it without undue wait!!
#977 Posted by Dash_Dot on July 20, 2007 5:48:14 am
#971 after I posted that reply to you, this damn page took 2.25 mins to load - which is a very long time. Damn Chowk Staff pliss do sometihng about this.
#975 Posted by tahmed32 on July 20, 2007 5:39:33 am
#974 borivili_express of course. (at least that is what i understand, after skimming over borivili's post complaining about some indian muslims not getting their day in court or something).
#974 Posted by harish_hyd on July 20, 2007 5:33:00 am
#972 Posted by tahmed32
What Kaalchakra meant was: "Stop whining".
Whining? Who is doing it? Me, Kaal, or borivili_express?
What Kaalchakra meant was: "Stop whining".
Whining? Who is doing it? Me, Kaal, or borivili_express?
#973 Posted by tahmed32 on July 20, 2007 5:21:16 am
Supreme Court reinstates Chief Justice!!
Great day for all true Pakistanis!!
Very bad day for militarists, mullah hates, and pandit hates.
Great day for all true Pakistanis!!
Very bad day for militarists, mullah hates, and pandit hates.
#972 Posted by tahmed32 on July 20, 2007 5:14:19 am
harish_hyd: Kaalchakra is too profound for you!! Permit me to be his interpreter: What Kaalchakra meant was: "Stop whining". (PS to Kaalchakra: Right boss?)
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