Preventing More Lal Masjids

Dash_Dot: Shouldnt you be helping plague victims rather than avoiding them?

Re: # 971 tahmed32 its a turn of phrase

Masadi: Why do you always cover your ass with to $$ signs? ("a$$"). An ass is a noble creature, works hard carrying bricks all day long in the hot sun. All it asks for is the right to bray a few times each day. It has nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to be covered up with two $ signs.

I have been avoiding FP like as if it has got the plague - since ever since the format change (damn it takes 3 mins to load this page for e.g), but this post by Wheel O time couldl not be resisted

#967 : KaalChakra borivili_express, Hindus will never be fair to Muslims

Wheel O Time, you are being mischievious here by not stating your assumptions here, to arrive at this conclusion. Couldn't it be the other way round?

Again in 967: appropriate to speak of our world as a field of war rather than a marketplace?

Its an interesting vision/image here. Let us carry this forward - within the field are rings. Most of of these have a certain uniformity in them, and particles within these rings could be in brownian motion, but the rings themselves at a macro level donot exhibit this brownian motion, and as such you can assign uniform smooth properties to them. The problems arise when the brownian motion within a particular ring, escapes it and starts to input its unwanted energies into other rings. This upsets the field completely, in that the topology changes and usual metrics do not work. That is when the rings come together to constrain the rogue ring.

hhhhm! you have made an intersting analogy there!

#967 by KaalChakra

borivili_express, Hindus will never be fair to Muslims.

Why do you say that Kaal bhai?

PM

Just thinking aloud here, in the domain of ideas, might it not be more appropriate to speak of our world as a field of war rather than a marketplace?


iron bhai,

Perfectly totalitarian systems exist. There are, have been, many of them in theory, in vision. In practice, in actual REALITY, no social system can be perfectly totalitarian. And on Chowk, that what is "real" has always been a matter of dispute. Everybody can be right by simply redefining "real" for their own selves.

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Jang Singh, masadi is totally right on this one. One deceives oneself in expecting to raise architectural marvels on foundations of sand. Hindus will never get this because they dogmatically hold that all mitti is exactly the same (except in appearance) and that sand simply does not exist.

borivili_express, Hindus will never be fair to Muslims.

Re: #965

Well, what's stopping you from heading west for the land of the pure? Eh?

Jinnah was right. Go to Pakiland. If you really want democracy and justice.

Go now. Go. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Indian/Hindu Democracy in action:

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On January 10, 1993, Hajirabi Qureishi saw her husband and eldest son dragged from her house by Shiv Sainiks who used to hang around the local Sena shakha. When she tried to stop the sainiks, they pushed her off the parapet and she lost consciousness. She never saw her husband and son again.

Much before his inquiry into the 1992-93 Mumbai riots was complete, Justice Srikrishna wrote a letter to the government recommending immediate payment of compensation for missing persons in cases that he had personally investigated. The Qureishis headed that list. Hajirabi should have received Rs 4,00,000; instead she received Rs 2,00,000 eight years later for her husband. Compensation for her son Saleem Qureishi continues to form the subject matter of petitions being heard for the ump-teenth time in the Supreme Court.

Unable to cope with memories of their disappearance, Hajirabi left the Hindu-Muslim chawl that had been home for years to live in a Muslim ghetto. Every known and unknown Muslim organisation had its offices there, including SIMI. Yet they could not recruit Hajira's son Rizwan, his father's favourite.

Farooq Mapkar should have been an ideal candidate for SIMI. Shot in his shoulder on January 10, 1993, while praying inside a mosque, this bank employee saw a namazi being shot dead at point-blank range despite coming out of the mosque with his hands up. Along with the other namazis, Farooq was charged under Section 307.

Fourteen years later, Farooq continues to take leave from his job to attend court hearings in a case declared false by the Srikrishna commission. Contrast this with the case of sub-inspector Nikhil Kapse. The commission found him guilty for unprovoked firing that killed six innocent Muslims. But he was exonerated by a bunch of policemen entrusted with implementing the commission's findings.

The policemen didn't think it necessary to talk to those who testified in front of the commission about the incident involving Kapse. In these 14 years, Kapse hasn't faced a day's suspension. More than Farooq and Rizwan, Abdullah would have made the ideal jehadi. As a 12-year-old, he saw his handicapped father being dragged down the stairs of the madrassa where he taught and shot, pleading for water as he lay dying. Abdullah continued to live in the same madrassa. Eight years later, he joined the legal battle to put behind bars the policemen charged with murder for this incident. When he lost, the entire madrassa felt betrayed.

Even while lashing out at the government's indulgence towards policemen charged with murder, Abdullah was packing his bags for further studies in Deoband. He had graduated from his madrassa with flying colours, with full marks in logic. "Why don't you study law", i asked, "you could fight for your father". "My world is the hereafter", he replied. "He can't get involved in all this", added his teachers.

Mumbai's riot orphans have grown up deprived of their childhood, seen their mothers struggle alone - and often fail - to give them the education their fathers desired for them. They've seen those who led the violent mobs become ministers. A sitting judge pronounced these policemen guilty; his report became an election issue and made ministers out of nobodies, but has yet to be acted upon.

They've seen, over the last year, those who took revenge on their behalf by killing innocent Hindus, being made to pay, some even with life sentences.

Last week, as two Muslim accused in the July 11 train blasts in Mumbai confessed on TV (by a mysterious coincidence, all channels got hold of the footage exactly a year after the blasts), the news anchors screamed: "This man not only betrayed his nation, but also humanity. Doesn't your blood boil when you see this traitor"?

Narendra Modi could be accused of having done the same. No channel asks these questions about him. These double standards are now part of being a Muslim in India's "vibrant" democracy. We should be thankful hundreds of Kafeel Ahmeds haven't produced a swadeshi version of jehad.

The writer is a political commentator.

Philo "Asked whether US President George W Bush had ruled out US military action inside Pakistan, spokesman Tony Snow replied: 'We never rule out any options, including striking actionable targets.'"

Typical political "covering your a$$" statement by Tony Snow. Obama doesn't rule out military action against Iran either, all options are "on the table" and other such BS so that the opponents don't use your "diplomatic" answer to take it as a sign of weakness, especially when you've conditioned your base to support you on your tough stand in a (contrived) "war on terror". There is nothing new in this assertion, they have already been violating Pakistani borders to pursue civilian "women and children" targets.

If the Pakistani Army was not America's occupation force, now would be a good time to sell the F-16s to North Korea and use that money to buy the latest air defense systems from Russia and knock the predators right out of our "Third World" sky...

Jang "so if you idolate, but otherwise lead a fruitful life, maybe hold a day-job, and invent cure for cancer, then what is bad? also, is belief in god also wrong? if an idol is not "truth" what about the god guy? then offcourse there are all the beliefs in messages etc..is believing in them also unnatural? "

Look Einstein, if you believe in a lie that guides your life, regardless of the day jobs you hold, your life is spent chasing a lie, its a narrow life. Regarding the "god guy", do you not get the part in my post about "truth and fact"? Going against truth and fact is injustice. Justice is not "some", it is all or none. Comprendey?

Ahmedmadani sahib,

Re#961

Spoken like a true patriot, sir.

Maulana Zeemax (RA)

(Those bastards and westoxicated intellectuals who didn't believe me when I said if they touch a single burqa-clad, they will be slaughtered. )

The only ones getting slaughtered are ordinary footsoldiers and innocent civilian bystanders. The generals and the intellectuals are all freaking out.

Maulana Urstruly (pbuh),

(How did they contemplate that the results would be any different from Iraq and Afghanistan. )

In Punjab and Sind the result would indeed be different becuase the people here are cowards. Yes, NWFP/B'stan would be a different matter.

Regards

All good people here like Zeemax who are are betterment of pakistan should KINDLY moderate their view for sake of general welfare. Internal fighting only damages people and nation and peaceful way need to be praised. CJ is good man but he is misguided by political people who hate president.
In given situation where many ( hundreds) have died in less than week including soldiers and luckly chinese engineers survived from attack near Karachi (hub) elections will lead to more termoil and secterian violence and large crowds means easy target for terrorists who want to damage pakistan will be better to be called of for immediate future say 2 years. When things improve elections can take place even earlier. There are lots of foreign powers who want to weaken president such as India, usa, UK, Britain, Canada, Australia and Isarel only China is standing by pakistan and putting its citizen in danger to complete projects they have started. From time of "CJ" trouble Indian activity by their diplomats is getting brisk as well as in border area with A.Stan. In such situation even our friend such as S.Arabia, USA, China, UAE and IRan as suggesting postponeent of elections. Let us hope this election fever goes down and things return to normal. Everybody is sad for deaths in Mosque but what was left for general to do. Whatever he does people criticize them. Some time violence goes up when such things happen but things cool down if leaders behave properly. When Mr. Bugti Sr was killed in fight for few days violence peaked but not gas pipelines, electic towers, railway are working properly and "B.Stan" problem is in control. If people give chance to president for next 2 years he can beat terrorist in their game. If terrorist feel they want to use terror tactics then govt can do same but general do not like that but he wants to talk and solve problems. Question is are people read to give 2 years to president till he clean up maess and then we can have Farce of election. People should now help govt to bring stability.

US military action possible inside Pakistan: US
WASHINGTON: The White House on Thursday refused to rule out striking at suspected terrorist targets inside Pakistan and would not say whether US forces would first seek permission from Islamabad.

Asked whether US President George W Bush had ruled out US military action inside Pakistan, spokesman Tony Snow replied: 'We never rule out any options, including striking actionable targets.'

Asked whether Bush would first seek authorization from Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, Snow told reporters, 'Those are matters that are best not discussed publicly.'

Washington in recent days has sharply criticized Musharraf's truce with leaders in Pakistan's tribal areas, where Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants were believed hiding, calling on him to take aggressive military action.

And Bush's top counter-terrorism adviser at the White House recently suggested that the United States did not get all of the cooperation it hoped for from Pakistan in the global war on terrorism.

At the same time, the White House has been praising Musharraf personally.

'President Musharraf has put his life on the line and has been a very important ally in the war on terror,' Snow said as Bush travelled here to make remarks on the federal budget.

'It's also clear that Taliban and al Qaeda, in the northwest territories and the federally administered tribal areas, have begun to put on operations that threaten the government of Pakistan itself,' he added.

'President Musharraf, having tried one approach, in terms of dealing with the tribal leaders, is now going to have to be more aggressive and is being more aggressive moving forces into the region to deal with the security problems there,' he said.

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#956 Posted by echoboom,

"Sultaani-e-Jamhoor kaa aataa hai zamaana
Jo naqsh-i-kuh'n tuum ko nazar aaey..mitaa doa!".
............................................ ALLAMA Iqbal

I don't know how far ahead Iqbal saw, and how, and what remains to be seen of his vision.

You were right. He was touched by Gabriel's wing.

But there will be a lot of bloodshed. I wonder if it could have been avoided. Or was it fate?

#955 Posted by Urstruly,

Urstruly, it saddens me to no end. I actually have close, learned, intellectual friends who had said Lal Masjid issue will be finished in 72 hours when their refrigeration runs out ... while they were eating tree leaves in there for a week.

They didn't even have a clue of what it was all about ....