Preventing More Lal Masjids

Today July 20, 2007 will be the historic day when Pakistan will arrive at the decision whether it is the gun or the Law which should be more powerful. Ayaz Mir, as usual, has written a real good column. Hope everyone will like it. http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20070720/Sub_Images/1100227536-2.gif

#983 but..but...Master masadi. You are so smart. You are too good for Chowk. You should seek recognition from places like the United Nations or the Nobel Prize Selection Committee at least.

As long as Hoodlumbhoy is Kanjaroon ( generic word for secularoon, murtadoon, munafiquoon, mushrikoon, Liberaloon & any or all the Westoxicated tooons) he is not welcome iamong Muslims.

He may continue to harp his Harvardish-Harlotism but the Madressa-educated ones are beating his king in every field..science, literature, jihaad, medicine in EVERY FIELD.

The ones who want shariat implemented in MUSLIM majority countries and get rid of the Farangi-impose Shariat have higher incomes & better learning of every kinfd than the Kanjaroons of PHoodlum`s ilk.

A failed scientist, he now seeks attention to be respected like a learned peron e.g a mulla, maulvi or a maulana.

Oh what an arrogance, buttressed by the US gun-barrel up his arse...and this earthworm thinks he got spine..................................Haaaa Haaaaa Haaaaa!

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chowk staff,

.......... somebody left cage door open !

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echoboom,

welcome back ............. we all missed you

chowk-staff..come one now...bump up echoboom`s karma index for good...not post by post....

It must feel especially terrible to be killed by one’s former friends and allies.


Roses are red
violets are blue
the jihadis you created
are now killing you(and being killed by you)....

thank you.

There was a law in almost everyland, when the world was more cilvilised than it is today, & CNN types had not turned news reporting into news-creation, that poets, mirasis ( from Meeraas..chroniclers of heritage ..meeraas and genelogy), historians, and scribes were exempt
from punishment for every act except treason.

You have been gifted by the Allah with humour & satire & Allah`s knows best that maybe He too,sometimes , must be laughing at his own creation ( ay bUndaa banayaa meiN?)..Just further confirms His Omnipotency.

Rest assured , that in me you`ll find someone who does not really have horns & a tail..I wish I could say the same about you. :) :)

#6 was for humptydumpty2

Pervez:

I know very little about what is going on. It seems to me that this so called global war is being fought by two sides - well entrenched states (western?) and relatively unorganized groups with varying demands. In Pakistan, today, the Lal masjid group has highlighted a very simple demand, i.e. the implementation of the shariat. First, this simple demand has the potential for unifying different groups, even if the shariat may mean different things to different groups. Second, it has the potential for inducing a movement with a much greater mass base.

The foundation of the shariat is moral, whether we agree with the morality or not is a secondary issue. Issues like economic exploitation etc. can well be understood and dealt with under the parameters set by Islamic morality which governs the shariat. In fact a previous article here highlights the JH womens` concern about capitalism, corruption and Adam Smith. So it will be wrong to state that the fundamentalist movement do not have concerns about exploitation etc. In fact it is us, the liberals, who have been deaf to the demands made by the fundamentalists. As a result we do not even have an idea as to how they are being interpreted by people at large. And therefore we are dumb too, because we have no idea as to how to counter the message of the fundamentalists. We respond by `banning` the likes of echoboom or razing down Lal masjid. This is harmful for the liberal cause. A guy who understood this situation, in our sub-continent, was the naked fakir - Gandhi.

In our parts, sir, religion is a great force. The call for the implementation of the shariat, coupled with the dazzling fire-works in Lal masjid, has just started a war - not only in Pakistan but also in India, if not beyond. We still have time to understand our enemies - the fundamentalists. We should not phooh-phooh their message, as I believe your article does. Otherwise, sir, we will end up fighting in Kurukshetra - an immoral war where soldiers will simply have to fulfill their painful duty.

p.s. Welcome back echoboom.

Note that the Lal Masjid ideologues – and others of their ilk – do not rouse their followers to action on matters of poverty, unemployment, poor access to justice, lack of educational opportunities, corruption within the army and bureaucracy, or the sufferings of peasants and workers.

That`s not what fowzia afzal khan`s article says. She says they were talking about the cost of meat, driver salaries and the electricity bills and house rents alongwith all of the above.

But never mind ...

#6 by echoboom,

What the hell is going out? Are you filtered or not?

dr hoodbhoy,

....... i agree with your analysis, but the solution you are proposing is `too little, too late` .......... it will take a lot more work to cure this deep-rooted affliction ........ as tom friedman points out, the cause of this affliciton is quite complex :

Two trends are at work here: humiliation and atomization. Islam’s self-identity is that it is the most perfect and complete expression of God’s monotheistic message, and the Koran is God’s last and most perfect word. To put it another way, young Muslims are raised on the view that Islam is God 3.0. Christianity is God 2.0. Judaism is God 1.0. And Hinduism and all others are God 0.0.

One of the factors driving Muslim males, particularly educated ones, into these acts of extreme, expressive violence is that while they were taught that they have the most perfect and complete operating system, every day they’re confronted with the reality that people living by God 2.0., God 1.0 and God 0.0 are generally living much more prosperously, powerfully and democratically than those living under Islam. This creates a real dissonance and humiliation. How could this be? Who did this to us? The Crusaders! The Jews! The West! It can never be something that they failed to learn, adapt to or build. This humiliation produces a lashing out.

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Welcome back,GT,to you too.

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zeemax,

...... the chowk staff is just toying with him - they let him out once in a while so that he can make a complete fool out of himself and then throw him back into his padded cell ..........

I feel a bit cheated. I had promised not to interact till echo is unbanned. I saw post 1 and so wrote post 8. But again I see that echo has been banned. Well, I gues, I need to say bye-bye too.

But before I do so, I do need to state that posts much more offensive than those by echo are flooding interacts here. If liberals, I am assuming that chowk staff is liberal, do not have it in them to take in echo`s barrage .... then it is indeed a sad day for liberalism. At the expense of being a bit dramatic let me say that we will loose the forthcomming war, precisely because of this attitude.