A Letter To President Musharraf

#435 Posted by cliftonbridge,

If the islamic movement was headed by people who saw a constructive and not insulting role ...

Are people like me good enough? How many do you think are there?

In continuum of #431, following is apt for the Wazirs and the Mehsuds:

"Lo woh bhi keh rahey hain bey nang-o-naam hai;
Yeh jaanta agar tau lutata na ghar ko mein"

(For special consideration of echoboom)

tahmed i am going through what can best be described as a transitional phase, i am no longer a resident and i chose a stop gap job right after fellowship so i could breathe for a year. Why i am addicted to the internet i dont know.

zee i am thinking very rationally i only want good things to happen to the tribals who are men AND women. I dont think its any reward to live in talibans afghanistan and there is no point pretending the govt they want to see is any different from that.

With the current social and literacy climate we can not hope for anything better, unless we truly embrace social progression. Our institutions may be crap but destroying them and accepting the unbalanced raj of misogynist radical blood lusting lunatics is a pathetic replacement.

We have to strengthen our people and our institutions. If the islamic movement was headed by people who saw a constructive and not insulting role for women and monorities i;d be all for it even if it meant mandatory headscarves which i dont like. But this is far worse than that, look at these people and try telling me you can distinguish them from the taliban. You cant. They shoot girl children just for going to school across the border. How does that happen?

You are making the mistake of assuming that because islamic principles are good that the people advocating them are also good, or honest, or not cruel or misogynist. I dont know why you persist with that notion despite all evidence to the contrary.

#433 Posted by echoboom,

Echo please comment on #431.

Zeemax/cliftonbridge
Please use message service...and don't forget to c.c your best friend.

"bulleya but democracy will elect the PPP and we saw the religious right attacking them too......"

pakistani elections can never put one party in power..... ppp will win around 30-35% of the votes.....all pml factions will total 30-35%......maulvis will get around 10-15%......mqm will 10(?)%......and provincial parties and smaller parties will get 5-10%........

hence ppp will always have to be in alliance, and once any party is in power, it will have to cater to the will of its voters.....

"i agree in principle to what you are saying but is it possible to get the jihadi's to lay their arms down or even their supporters to lay their arms down and support democracy in pakistan?"

jihadis are a tiny microscopic minority in pakistan.....way less than 1%......there impact is a lot higher, because one only needs one explosion, by one person make an impact......

......the maulvi parties are not jihadis.....they just want shariah, but are not militant.....mma has been running nwfp and baluchistan for years now, however, they have not killed anyone.......

........in addition, jihadis are not interested in killing fellow pakistanis......up til, paksitan's policy in waziristan, and in support of usa ater 9/11, the only religious violence inside pakistan was shia sunni terrorism carried out by tiny terrorist groups.....

suicide bombings were unknown to pakistan.....no one ever targeted pakistani soldiers......if there were explosions in pakistanis, many were traced back to RAW etc......

the jihadis are interested in fighting americans in afghanistan.......not pakistanis in pakistan....they don't want to take over the pakistan govt. etc......

the mma wants to get into power, through elections, and impose shariah.....it is there right, if they get elected.....however, they are not against democracy.....

there is very little following in support of militant religion inside pakistan.......however, if the govt. is unelected and it attacks madrassahs militantly and joins totally with usa in bombing its own people, then public opinion gets divided......much like you are seeing on this site......

there is a middle road to most issues.......radicalizing the country, to the point where sensible people actually start supporting killing of its citizens (be they conservative or religious) is a recipe for disaster......

#429 Posted by cliftonbridge,

Cliftonbridge, do think rationally. Let's forget about Taliban and Afghanistan for a moment. Let's talk about Pakistan.

These tribals were your best friends and totally loyal to Pakistan. When you sent them to Kashmir in 1948, they went and captured upto Srinagar Airport for you, but you betrayed them and they got slaughtered. Then you sent them for Afghan Jihad and they won it for you, but you betrayed them again when you allowed US to bomb their households. Then you convinced them Kargil was a good idea and they climbed it for you and held those peaks for six-months against impossible odds, but you backtracked and withdrew. Now you stormed their women and children and killed them all.

Do you really think that if now they have turned on the establishment of Pakistan, they do not have enough reason to?

But I believe they are still loyal to Pakistan BUT with the difference that now they will first avenge fully, and next they will have a major part in how this country is run. I don't think anything less than that will do.

And believe me, they have plenty of support.

cb: I can understand "welay lok" (unemployed folks) spending time on chowk making Islamic Castles in Flying Carpets in Air and Maharishi Chilli making Indian IT Billionaires in Levitating Cross-Legged Poses.

But how does a Medical Resident (who sometimes are on call 48 hour at a stretch) find time for this? (Not that I am saying you shouldnt waste free time on chowk with us "welay lok", mind you.)

zee i am not phobic at all of islam but of the islamic state as imposed by the same people who just did a trial run across the border and destroyed afghanistan and humanity in afghanistan. Is that what you want in my ever suffering country too?

In continuation of # 420 (how appropriate) for the ch*tyas:

www.dontgo.org

lol...well bear in mind that its bright lighting :), looks like someone needs to meet more mojos :)

#422 Posted by cliftonbridge,

...they are not asking for democracy they are asking for enforced shariah regardless of who votes against it.

That's not entirely incorrect, but that is what the constitution says. It is an aberration because Islam does not accomodate political parties. It is a one-party system, with inner democracy.

But nothing wrong with that. China and Japan have one-party systems too. You just need to get Islamophobia out of your knickers ... :) It's not as bad as you think !

#420 Posted by zeemax on July 18, 2007 7:49:54 am

Oooh..a photoshopped image..now people will really stop going to india like they've stopped going to the land of the pure..

#419 Posted by cliftonbridge,

Yaar ... but ... that girl looks intelligent, and witty, and with a mischievous glint ... you seem to have those traits ..

BUT on the other hand, mojos don't have that facial structure ... so something's wrong somewhere ...(twice chin scratching)

#421

no pappi, no lies :)

bulleya but democracy will elect the PPP and we saw the religious right attacking them too, i agree in principle to what you are saying but is it possible to get the jihadi's to lay their arms down or even their supporters to lay their arms down and support democracy in pakistan?

they are not asking for democracy they are asking for enforced shariah regardless of who votes against it.

its sad that fatah has decided they can work closer with israel than hamas, and though pakistan may have initially been reluctant i think the govt at this point thinks they can probably work with the US more fruitfully than with the talibanists. This is also very sad. But the US has not attacked pakistani military and police jawans not to mention the leaders of the democracy movement (PPP and CJ).